Conversational and calm

How do I describe this podcast? It’s like learning vicariously by eavesdropping on two guys talking about how they are doing with Staying sober through AA. It’s not preachy, strident, nor does it have a bit of desperation like some sober podcasts. “ you better stop or else!!!!” Nope. Just two guys. Unpolished. Talking. I hope it stays that way.