SoberNotMature - Episode 115 (Phat Action Frustration)

Bill (00:02.118)
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. And yeah, I'm in Tennessee. We did a little pre -testing here because I have Tennessee internet, apparently. You know, it's as slow as the people out here. Hello. Come on now, come on. I've got a couple of very brief stories about the place I've been in this week, but we can get to those a little bit later. But yeah, so.

Mike (00:15.694)
HAHAHAHA

Mike (00:20.654)
Wow.

Mike (00:30.414)
Alright.

Bill (00:31.622)
I don't know. I mean, we had another another fucking update email from Riverside and Hey, you know what right now right now and now I'm gonna I'll save it if we have if we have any Technical issues this time. I think I'm gonna lose my fucking mind, you know, not really, you know, I know it is but yeah, I We talked about being hopeless a couple of weeks ago. I'm not I'm not hopeless I'm a little dim

Mike (00:39.182)
Bye Riverside!

Mike (00:47.982)
huh. Yeah, it's getting there.

Mike (00:56.942)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:01.126)
Hope when it comes to whether or not we hope to plead it. Let's let's put it that way I'm I'm hope depleted when it comes to our issues and in who knows, you know, maybe I put something in the description I'm not even gonna put it in the description because I think people are reading that and probably not listening to us You know, I mean seriously though and I told I told him at Riverside. This is the honest the fucking God's truth the last four episodes

Mike (01:06.958)
Yes.

Mike (01:18.734)
Right.

Bill (01:26.854)
You know, we average 100 to 110, 20 usually in a seven day period. we haven't hit a hundred on the last four episodes, you know? So yeah. And I told Riverside, I'm like, you guys are, you guys are with our, with our podcast. We're small and you're making it smaller. So, yeah, I, yeah, they, they did. And, and if you remember, they're the ones that, that took.

Mike (01:30.158)
Yeah. huh.

Ugh, I wouldn't doubt it.

Mike (01:42.606)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Yeah.

And yet they're cashing the checks.

Ho ho ho ho ho ho.

Bill (01:54.31)
took like $300 automatically, you know, didn't even remind me of the automatic renewal, which even fucking Microsoft reminded me when my 365 was going to renew this year, like six weeks ahead of time, just so you know, it's going to renew, you know? But I don't know, these motherfuckers, but I don't know, you know what? Let's pause the hate because that's kind of what it is. I know. Okay, well, we'll put...

Mike (01:56.654)
Yeah.

Mike (02:01.614)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (02:06.99)
Yeah, right. Mm hmm.

Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Mike (02:18.638)
Do we have to?

Bill (02:23.11)
We'll put the, it's not even hate, it's more of a disgruntled type of attitude. We will put our disgruntled attitude, I've got a shelf, like four shelves next to me. I'm gonna place my disgruntled attitude over on the shelf, put yours in one of your drawers, and then we'll, yep, pull your pants back up, because you know, I would think.

Mike (02:27.342)
Yes.

Mike (02:37.646)
All right. Hang on a second.

Mike (02:45.006)
Damn. Man, we don't do video for a reason.

Bill (02:51.238)
All right, that's a good point. So, all right, now fuck it, take your pants off. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. All right, so yeah, I guess we'll take those frustrations back out if we need them, but you know what? so you're calling it your frustration now. I just did quotes, air quotes. Hey baby, you wanna see my frustration?

Mike (02:53.39)
Turn her already off. Pants coming off boss.

Mike (03:06.158)
Mine's already out! Wanna get frustrated?

Bill (03:20.966)
I'm going to use that. I'm hard frustrated. Okay, so why don't we, let's roll some good thoughts around in our head. You got a reading there anywhere, somewhere?

Mike (03:23.054)
hahahaha

Mmm.

Why don't we?

Mike (03:36.206)
I see, because clearly it's not coming straight from my head, man. I need to put something in there. All right. Yeah. You know what? Today's was pretty damn good in God grant me, but I saw you posted it and actually I think we may have done that one before. So, yeah, so I just kind of flipped open and I have a, I have an old, I don't even know who the hell this guy is, but it's a funeral that,

Bill (03:39.814)
No. Right. Right.

Mike (04:05.454)
I think it was one I've now we couldn't have been forced to go to because it was 2012. But, I don't know. Anyway, it's dead junkie, but it's got the serenity prayer on the front of it. So it's I've got it stuck in the book and this is the, the page that it was stuck in. So what the hell let's do it. So July 17th, if I had been president creation, I would have given some useful hints Alfonso the wise.

Bill (04:25.222)
Okay.

Mike (04:34.958)
Hi, Al. Even with all we have learned about our own limits and how things seem to usually work out when we stop trying to control them, we still think we know best. Our egos never quit, do they? Over and over, we find that when we get what we want, we often end up in trouble. When we get what our higher power wants for us, we are happier.

Our recovery program suggests that we pray only for knowledge of our higher power's will for us and the power to carry that out. Praying in this way takes a great deal of trust. We need to trust that our higher power truly does care for us and will lead us through the process of living a good life that fills, not empties, our hearts and souls. Prayer for the day. Higher power, ask for knowledge of your will for me today.

and the power to carry that out. I trust that if I do this, I will be living the life that is most fitting for me today. Today's action, those pesky, pesky actions, how hard is it for me to trust my higher power? What are the things that have happened in my life that make it hard to trust? Do I think these things were my higher powers will? What advice would I have given my higher power about these things?

I will talk through these questions with my sponsor today.

Bill (06:05.478)
Well, that was a... How long was that action? Was that like a page and a half? Yes. Hey, baby. You want my... I'm frustrated. Let me give you some fat action. I needed that. Is that an episode title? Fat action?

Mike (06:09.678)
That was a fat one. Yeah.

Want some fat action?

God.

Mike (06:28.846)
Hehehehe

It might be.

Bill (06:35.658)
I can't get fat action out of my head. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But so anyhow, I like that one. Gosh, that's, gosh Mike. Gosh Mike, that was swell. That was a swell reading.

Mike (06:47.95)
Yes.

Mike (06:51.47)
Gosh, gosh, Bill.

Mike (06:57.262)
Yes it was, it was keen, neato.

Bill (07:04.006)
fuck man, that really just caught my foot even with all of that. Okay, so I like the opening. Right. 14 years and what day is it today? Right. Yeah. Sickle DeMiles around the corner. yeah, just side note. Fucking stay sober. Sickle DeMiles is a fucking joke. Just like every other thing. There's our.

Mike (07:06.83)
Hehehehehe

And honestly, we're still sober.

Mike (07:20.974)
Right. Yes.

Mike (07:30.862)
Right.

Bill (07:33.03)
There's our advice for a... Yeah, may the fourth be with you. Okay, but so anyhow, the opening up kind of made me laugh because, you know, obviously if I was around during creation, I would have given some useful hints. I chuckled at that one. So I thought that was kind of funny. But then, you know, obviously talked about, we think we know best, obviously our ego.

Mike (07:33.902)
Hey, but tomorrow's Star Wars day. Do we gotta stay sober for that one too?

Mike (07:41.422)
Yes.

Mike (07:50.222)
Mm -hmm. Yes.

Bill (08:02.342)
We'll get what our higher power wants that makes it better. Praying only for, I kind of want to go back to that because I, that's kind of a longer conversation, I think, but we end up with the life most fitting. And then of course, trusting our higher power that whole, it was too much in that last action part. But I think part of it was things that, that we, things that happened that were, let's say not so good or that we didn't think were so positive and we're those generated by the higher power. Is that kind of the gist of that action?

Mike (08:17.902)
Mmm.

Mike (08:31.854)
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know, yeah. Thinking about, you know, right. Yeah. Was that our higher powers will, you know, the bad shit that's happened to us. And I mean, you know, there's plenty of talk about that in the rooms. And we've talked about it on here. I mean, you know, right. All the all the shit that we've gone through, you know, by doing the work, we figured out that it does have value and worth. So, yeah, sure. Why not?

Bill (08:33.734)
Okay.

Mike (08:59.278)
You know, I mean, you know, it's kind of easy for me because I don't, you know, well, I'm an atheist and so I don't think that there is any, you know, sentient being out there, you know, guiding all of this and doing all that. I just don't, you know, so it's kind of irrelevant for me. And it also makes it easier in that aspect of it for me that, you know, yes, that this higher power, you know, powers greater than myself.

But the higher power that I have, the powers that I have in my life that I use and all that good stuff. Yeah, they're not giving me good or bad things, you know. So, yeah, it's relevant.

Bill (09:41.326)
Right. Well, and that's the thing too, that one of the things that we've talked about is that I think for, I mean, and again, you've been around this thing, you know, obviously before and you understood a little bit, but you know, you've been really open about the fact of, you know, the God thing and trying to figure out how do you deal with that? You were given great advice and obviously you've held to your, been able to and been very successful holding to your beliefs. And there's a lot of people.

Mike (09:52.366)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (10:08.23)
that are atheists and agnostics like myself and that sort of thing. So, but yeah, chapter two. But there's, I heard so many times when we first came in and I still hear it every once in a while that, you know, you hear it from people behind the podium. You know, I was so mad at God for this or why did God have to do this and that? And you know what? I'm grateful for a lot of things, but grateful that I didn't have, I had a hang up.

Mike (10:12.366)
There's a whole chapter.

Hehehehe

Mike (10:26.51)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (10:35.718)
Ish with organized religion just because I wasn't into it, but I didn't have a hang -up with organized religion I didn't have a I didn't have a problem. I didn't have a I don't know like a chip on my shoulder I wasn't mad at some like you said some fucking being out there. I just I had no basis to it So it was easy for me Once I caught the concept of just can't be me. It was easy for me to be okay You know this I just got to do the work and this shit's gonna happen do good get good type of thing.

Mike (10:37.678)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Mike (10:50.03)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (10:56.142)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Bill (11:05.606)
But you know that the bad stuff too is that I don't look at bad things, you know, that bad moments or bad events or tragic events, you know, like our buddy Pat, you know, you know, with family members or friends or anything like that. You know, I don't look around and be like, what the fuck, man, I'm here doing the work and this dude killed himself. I mean, how fucking let's go back to egotistical, you know, what the fuck does that have to do with me? Not a goddamn thing.

Mike (11:14.638)
Mm -hmm. Right. Mm. Yeah.

Mike (11:23.47)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Right.

Mike (11:30.03)
Mm -hmm.

Not right. Right. Exactly. Right. And of course, right. Because we have those egos, you know, our first reaction is what could we have done and why didn't you reach out to us and me, me, me? Right. You know, why? What's my part in it? Well, I don't have a fucking part in it. Yeah. Like you said, it doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with me. Yeah. Right.

Bill (11:34.982)
Hehehehe.

Bill (11:49.126)
Right.

Bill (11:55.942)
I mean, you know, it's honestly, it's, I mean, I think we would be, it goes, it's enough to say that, you know, if nothing else, I would have loved to have the opportunity to fail, you know, to fail in the effort of trying to help him. You know, I mean, all of us would have, you know, we do wish and this and, but, you know, it's the same thing. Just because he would have reached out to us doesn't mean it doesn't mean a damn thing. Some people do it.

Mike (12:13.166)
Mm hmm. Sure.

Mike (12:22.222)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (12:22.886)
just as a gesture as a, maybe it's a cry for help, maybe it's a, I don't know, deep down thing where like, at least I did this and then I'm still gonna do this over here. But like you say, it has nothing to fucking do with us, nothing. So yeah, I mean, I trust that everything that happens in my life, there's some sort of, we realize there's some sort of powers if that be out there. But the thing of it is is that as long as we're,

Mike (12:26.35)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (12:30.702)
Mm -hmm.

Right. Yeah.

Mike (12:47.342)
Hmm.

Bill (12:50.502)
If nothing else, if we keep doing good things, good things end up happening to us, but we're not changing the world by doing it necessarily, right?

Mike (12:58.126)
Right, right. Well, it's not even, it's not even if we keep doing good things, good things will happen to us. It's just we're doing good things. We're doing the right thing. And even if bad shit happens, because bad shit happens, we still did the right thing, you know? And so, yeah, you know, bad shit's still going to happen, but it's not our fault. And it's not our fault if good shit happens. We're just doing the next right thing. And that's all we can do.

whatever happens after that happens. And again, you know, no control, no, no ego, none of that shit. I, you know, I'm just doing the next way. The Lincoln quote, you know, I do good, I feel good. I do bad. I feel bad. I want to fucking feel good. I'm a goddamn junkie and a drunk. I always want to feel good. So I'm going to do good things and it makes me feel good. And beyond that, I have no fucking control and it doesn't. Yeah. And it.

When it comes down to it, it doesn't really fucking matter other than the fact that I did the next right thing makes me feel okay and that's it. That's all it is. Yeah.

Bill (14:06.918)
Yeah, and that's a better way to put it. Yeah, as I was saying all that stuff, I was kind of, I was stammering and yammering. And I couldn't figure out exactly how I wanted to put it, so thank you. But the thing I wrote down right above it though was life most fitting. So one way or the other, if we're doing all the right things, we're gonna end up with the most fitting life that we can have for ourselves, right? There.

Mike (14:24.174)
Mm -hmm.

Sure. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah, right. Which is, yeah, exactly. Yes, life will not be ill fitting if I'm doing good things, if I'm doing right things. Right, yeah. You know, it's when I'm doing those bad things that I feel fucking out of place and life doesn't fit me well. And then I'm uncomfortable.

Bill (14:38.15)
Right.

Mike (14:50.446)
because shit's fucked up and then I gotta medicate myself and I don't wanna live like that. So I'm gonna keep doing these little next right things and being a good boy and fuck the rest of it.

Bill (15:01.638)
You know and it just it just reminded me of years ago when I worked for that the company down in Fairlawn and whatever it was I think I've told this story in here was a it was a project that I had to get done and my manager was kind of going that you got to get this done the boss and this and that the owner of the company and I and I said you know I I will get it done and I'm doing the you know putting my best effort forth and And I said to him I'm like you know what because he was kind of hinting along the lines if it I didn't do this and do it right I was gonna get let go you know And I said I'm I'm not afraid to get fired and he he looked at me

Mike (15:06.446)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (15:19.63)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (15:26.19)
Mm.

Mike (15:29.582)
Right.

Bill (15:31.494)
And he's like, he just kind of looked at me kind of like a dog that heard a strange noise kind of tilted his head and I said, exactly. He did. Massive. What we say before massive what I can't remember what we said it made me laugh so much fat action. There we go. But but I said, I'm I'm doing the best job of putting my best foot forward type of thing. I'm going to do the work. And if it turns out to be, you know, not the work that he wanted and he chooses to let me go, I'm like.

Mike (15:35.982)
huh. Cock that head. I said cock.

Mike (15:43.982)
I don't know. Yes.

Mike (15:58.287)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Right.

Bill (16:00.454)
What am I going to do? I'm like, I can't, I can't do any better than, than my best. I can't do what he, you know, and he, get this a couple of days later, he, he actually, he stopped me and he thanked me, because I appreciate you saying, saying that. And he's the guy that he and I ended up having a really good working relationship. And, still I'm friends with on Facebook and that sort of thing. And he's a good dude, you know, he's one of the best managers I've ever had, but, but that, that was the whole point is that. You know, and I have got to let go of jobs. I've done nothing wrong.

Mike (16:04.878)
Yes.

Mike (16:11.566)
Mmm. Mmm.

huh.

Mike (16:23.438)
Right?

Mike (16:28.398)
Mm -hmm, right.

Bill (16:29.446)
you know, based on circumstances and you know, what kind of do be, I can't be mad at the company, you know? So we just gotta, yeah, keep doing that next right thing. So the other thing that, you know, I wrote down praying only for, and I forget exactly how it was worded in there, but it reminded me of the things that we were told as far as, you know, obviously pray, you know, don't drink, pray, go to meetings, try to help another alcoholic. But when we pray,

Mike (16:33.614)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (16:53.934)
huh.

Bill (16:55.974)
We were told that they aren't supposed to be self -prayers, not prayers for us. Supposed to pray, there you go, give me prayers. I couldn't think of it, thank you. So yeah, don't give me prayers and obviously try to pray for the good things for other people and all that sort of stuff because...

Mike (17:00.59)
No gimme prayers.

Mike (17:10.766)
Right. Well, I mean, the phrasing is, you know, pray for the knowledge of his will for us to the power to carry that out. Yeah. You know, that's out of the big book and yeah, praying only for the knowledge of those good things, you know, from this atheist point of view, not his will, but the the proper, the next right thing to do of the knowledge of that, to know what the next right thing to do is. And then the power to.

Bill (17:29.83)
Ha ha.

Mike (17:39.822)
to fucking do it. Yeah. And again, that works for this atheist man. I want the knowledge of what is the next right thing. What is the good thing to do? What is the right thing to do? Because, I mean, clearly, I don't know it innately, otherwise I wouldn't be involved in any of this shit. So, yes, you know, the will, the knowledge of what that next right thing is and then the power to be able to do it. Yeah.

Bill (17:54.374)
Hehehehehe

Mike (18:09.006)
Exactly.

Bill (18:10.342)
Right. Yeah, and there's a, and I've talked about this before. I have a, I know you have basically a short prayer type of thing. Mine, mine's that long, but it's, I know it's more lengthy than yours. But, you know, after we were told that to begin with, and as I've expanded this whole prayer thing, I do, and I do it in the morning and I do it at night. I don't pray for anything for myself, except at the end, I just, I say, please keep me healthy. That's all, you know? I mean,

Mike (18:22.414)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (18:37.422)
Mm -hmm. Mm.

Bill (18:39.782)
Granted, I have to do the things. I gotta get enough sleep, I gotta eat right, I shouldn't be ingesting shit that could kill me anyhow, but that's the only thing I do. But I also don't, when it comes to my kids, I'm like, I want my kids to obviously, I don't know, it's like you want people that love you and care about you and things like that. But I don't pray for that. I pray for my kids, for instance, to keep me in their mind and in their hearts.

Mike (18:44.206)
Right.

Mm -hmm.

Mike (18:57.518)
Mm.

Mike (19:05.678)
Mm. Mm.

Bill (19:07.462)
What more can I ask for? It could be evil. They could be mad in their minds. It could be mad at me. I know, but you know what? I did it on purpose because I didn't want to be specific because I was scared to death to pray for something for myself. So it's just that, okay, just have them have something about me within them, whatever it is. If somebody's mad at me,

Mike (19:10.378)
Yeah, that's a fucking dangerous prayer, man.

Mike (19:21.294)
Mm -hmm. Mm.

Bill (19:31.334)
Either it is my fault and I can try to fix it or it has nothing to do with me and I can't fucking do anything about it You know, so, you know again powerless even even with something like that. So

Mike (19:37.742)
Right?

Mike (19:42.382)
Yeah, I mean, you know, I just for the people that I care about in my life, you know, I just want to be happy whether I'm part of that or not is inconsequential. You know, I mean, I'd like to be, you know, I would hope that I can be and I hope that I would contribute to that happiness. But again, ego, I don't give a fuck if I'm there or not. I just want these people to be happy, whether I'm there or not is cool. I'd like to be, but that's me. And that's kind of a gimme. So I don't do that.

I just want, I just want them to be happy. If I'm in the picture, cool. If I'm not cool too.

Bill (20:17.958)
Yeah, but it is it's tough sometimes when with stuff like that because you know it still when that goes back to what I wrote down the first thing is you know we we know best in our ego. I mean clearly now we we know that we don't know best. I barely know anything let alone let alone you know what might be best. But you know it's the ego thing you know and it's it is still you know you get to this point and you know I remember is.

Mike (20:28.91)
Mm -hmm.

Right, hopefully.

Mike (20:37.678)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (20:46.118)
I don't know as we get along, whether it was three months or six months or three years or something like that. Whatever it is and then you think to yourself, God damn man, look at all the fucking work I've done. Then you get into this mindset, you're like, either the I deserve or why the fuck am I have to dealing with and then why not? It is, the work that we've done helps, it helps a lot. It helps us clearly. Hopefully it helps other people around us and I think we've experienced that, we know it does.

Mike (20:51.278)
Mm -mm.

Mike (21:00.75)
Mm. Mm -hmm.

Mike (21:09.678)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (21:14.734)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (21:16.294)
If we stop, that's the tough part. It's the walking up and down escalator, you know, that's our life. If we stop, we're gonna go right back down and we're gonna fuck everything up again. And it's not gonna take 14 years to fuck everything up. It'll take about 14 minutes. Yeah, right. That's a good point. Yeah, you think about it, you...

Mike (21:19.022)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (21:27.694)
Yep. yeah.

no. Yeah, seconds. 14 seconds, you think about you count 14 seconds, I could get down good half pint in 14 seconds. You know, I could find a vein and push that plunger down in 14 seconds. Trust me, I can.

Bill (21:43.002)
Right.

Bill (21:49.926)
Right? Yeah, you're right. So, god damn it, 14 seconds. 14 seconds. Well, here's the thing. At least we get more time. As we get more time, we get more time. So that's, you know. But yeah, it's ego. I mean, we already know the ego thing is a motherfucker. And I think that, I always admit, I think I'm more of an egotist than you are. I like to say shit to fuck around and all that stuff. But still, I am. I'm still an egotist. And it's...

Mike (21:53.71)
Heheheheh

Mike (22:00.416)
Right.

Mike (22:15.214)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (22:19.302)
It is a, it's a character defect that I have to be under, under constant scrutiny of, you know? Yeah. there, yeah, no doubt. And cause it is, you know, when, when some, you know, some shit's going your way and you're doing some things and whatever the case is and what, whatever it is, it's, you know, it's really hard not to be like fucking look at this shit. Look at me. Right.

Mike (22:24.814)
Hmm. Constant supervision.

Hehehehe

Mike (22:35.63)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (22:44.334)
Look at me.

Bill (22:47.142)
And we, well, what did we say? Was it last year or the first year? I don't know when it was, but so the one time of year that both Mike and I fully admit that we don't give a fuck if anyone, if anyone doesn't like it, that the look at me day is our anniversaries. Those are the days that yes, we announced we want people to say, yay, congratulations. And look how many days and wow, look at you did. Yes, I did. One day, one day at a time, there's the humble part. That's what we can do. She's go.

Mike (22:58.798)
Mm -hmm.

Mm -hmm. Right.

Mike (23:05.822)
Yes, I did.

Mhm.

Bill (23:14.95)
you know, I did it just like you did one day at a time, but I've done it for a lot of fucking days, you know, so. So so today, look at me. But most of the other days that, yeah, it's again, I got to be careful. But, you know, he goes, he can be a motherfucker. So. But yeah, I like that one. That was a that was a good reading. Got 20, fucking 23, almost 24 minutes of conversation out of that. So can I can I toot my own horn for a little bit? Not really even toot, just.

Mike (23:19.246)
Yep.

Mike (23:29.902)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (23:34.126)
Nice.

Mike (23:38.19)
Yeah.

Bill (23:43.974)
Share some information would be a better way, because this is this.

Mike (23:46.158)
Well, we're in different states and I can't smell it, so toot away.

Bill (23:49.294)
No, but I talked about when I got the job about the fact that they had hired me at this one level and it's like we'd like to move you up as soon as possible, but you got to do this, this and this. And I did this, this and this. And on whatever day the first of the month was, was that Wednesday? Yeah, Wednesday. I got moved up to the second level. So yeah, me and three other people, which...

Mike (24:10.606)
oooo

Bill (24:13.702)
ended up being, I was in the top three in level one, I ended up in the top three. I was number two, by the way, in collections and they moved the top three of us up to the next level. So, yeah, so right off the bat, it gives me an opportunity. And I say opportunity, it's not when in this type of business, it's just like in sales, it's collections, we'd make money off a commission. I have the additional opportunity to make more money.

Mike (24:19.854)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (24:26.35)
Nice.

Mike (24:36.91)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (24:41.862)
Right off the back as they give me higher balances and they they're gonna start feeding those in and they are But just higher balances and more I collect the more money I make in the commission structure also kicks up You got to hit a higher level if like right now if I if I end up This month where I ended up last month I'll make less money as a level two than I would as a level one for the same money collected but they do on purpose because a Couple grand more and you make you know five or six hundred dollars more that type of thing, you know?

Mike (24:54.254)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (25:02.958)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (25:10.958)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Bill (25:12.006)
So, yeah, just very, it was great. It wasn't even the matter of, I don't feel like a look at me type of thing. I'm just, it's a pride thing, you know? And I did, I worked, it was a long time coming to get to this. There's all these things, you know, that obviously fell into place that we've talked about, but I'm like, fucking, hey, man, you know, and just, I just sit here and I just do exactly what I've been taught. I fucking do the work and fucking try to just work and stay on the phone and don't fuck around.

Mike (25:21.846)
Right. Yeah.

Bill (25:41.094)
and all that stuff. And I'm finally working for an organization that just literally recognizes and then pays you for what your efforts are and it's fucking awesome. So, yeah. So yeah, I don't know if that was a toot in the horn. I was just, I was really happy about it. So I haven't, yeah.

Mike (25:41.358)
Mm -hmm. Right.

Mike (25:47.822)
Mm -hmm.

That is... cool.

Mike (25:57.454)
Yeah, exactly, man. That's a little too deep, but that's all right. You did the footwork and you're getting the rewards for it and that's the way it should be. It's kind of like announcing our anniversary date. We did the footwork, we've gotten the results. See, I did it, you can too. Yep.

Bill (26:01.338)
It's.

Bill (26:07.11)
Yeah.

Bill (26:16.454)
Right. Yeah. the other, the other thing, just real quick side note is that remember how much I've been bitching about the dialer? And I said, when you go to level two, I don't think you have to work the dialer. Guess what? You do not. I may, I may have to one, one day a week as they had put me in a couple other people on this like special project. So I may have to work like every Monday. I don't know yet, but even if I only had to do it once, once a week, I don't give a fuck. But, but yeah, you know, it was funny because it.

Mike (26:24.91)
Yeah.

Mike (26:34.318)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (26:40.174)
Eh, right.

Bill (26:43.75)
They had the meeting with us, me and the two other guys and then my manager and then one of the other managers. And, you know, they, you know, announced that we were doing a blah, blah, blah. And a couple of questions going back and forth. And then I'm like, so I said for the dialer, I said, is there like a separate like level two? And he's like, no, no, no. He goes, I suppose I should have said that. He goes, you guys don't have to work the dialer anymore. He goes, I'm sure you're happy about that. That. And I just said, I said, no comment.

Mike (27:07.162)
Right.

Bill (27:08.07)
And he said, he goes, but it serves its purpose. And I said, I'll give you that. It does. I said, I'm not taking away from the fact that it does serve its purpose. But so yeah, no more dialers up. But anyhow, that was my, that was my tooting, I guess, if you want to put it that way. So yeah, but well, thank you. I truly appreciate it. I really do. So you had a week behind weeks. I mean, since we're on a work thing, do you want to, do you want to share any things you want to talk about or no? I mean,

Mike (27:12.046)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (27:20.142)
Cool. Nice. Well, congratulations.

Muckity muck.

Bill (27:37.478)
Because if not, I mean, we can go on. I didn't put me on the spot. I just figured I'd ask.

Mike (27:41.39)
Right now, it was just it's been a little slow in our market this week. So, yeah, there was that. And today was just the cherry on top of the shit Sunday. I pretty much drove all over northern Ohio today. I actually went like over to Toledo, which we never do. It's out of our market to to do absolutely nothing. It was fucking stupid all day long.

Bill (27:53.126)
Hahaha.

Mike (28:10.574)
Yeah, you know that that's pretty much how this week has been actually yesterday. We had a cause I've talked about. We've got a new facility which is two minutes from my house. You know beautiful. But anyway, we had a little cookout there. There was a couple of speaking of muckety bucks. There was a couple of guys from higher up in corporate. You know in the region were there hanging out.

Bill (28:24.294)
Right.

Bill (28:29.062)
really?

Mike (28:38.094)
you know, shootin' shit with us, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, so that was nice. And you know, that was an early day that actually got paid for an early day, so that was cool. Yeah, you know, so that was nice hanging out with them and... It's funny, man. Okay, so my fleet leader knows about my sobriety and all that stuff. He's kind of the only one.

There's one of the other drivers that knows to he was actually the guy that he's one of the trainers that when I got Transferred into the division we went out and spent a couple of days together and stuff So and I've gotten to know him a bit so he knows But like I said by my direct manager knows He showed up at the fundraiser, you know a couple weeks ago and all that stuff. Yeah, right. Good guy anyway, but his boss

walked up to me yesterday and he's all, so I hear you had a kind of an important anniversary a couple of weeks ago. And I went, shit. Yeah. you know, internally I said, shit. but again, not that I try to hide it or anything. I also just don't broadcast it at work, but yeah, I just looked at him and smiled and said, yeah, one day at a time and walked away. And that was that. so now,

Bill (29:36.582)
Ha ha.

Mike (29:56.494)
Still not exactly sure how I feel about higher up in management knowing, but what the fuck, man? Like you said, you know, fire me over it. Fuckers, I'll see your asses.

Bill (30:08.262)
Right. Well, you know what? I mean, especially these days, it is, it's such a, there's more, there's more openness on, just in general, you know, but I mean, there's more openness on an employer level also. And the thing of it is these days, and like I said, when I, when I came out on Facebook, you know, I was going to do this whole, you know, you remember this whole post about explaining it, finally, I'm like, fuck it, I'm just going to.

Mike (30:19.41)
Right. Mm hmm.

Mm -hmm. Right.

Mike (30:31.822)
Hehehehehe

Bill (30:37.574)
This is what I'm doing now. Nobody said a fucking word because I'm like, people, everyone's a fucking pussy these days anyhow. They're not going to say anything. People don't. They don't know what to say. They don't know what the right thing is to say. Part of it is really fucking cool because you got all these people out there that are coming out on all different levels when it comes to, whether it's sobriety or sexuality or whatever the case is. And they're not being persecuted for it. And I...

Mike (30:37.678)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Right. No.

Mike (30:45.134)
Hehehehehe

Mike (30:50.35)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (31:01.486)
Mm -hmm. Sure.

Right.

Bill (31:06.534)
I think it's pretty fucking amazing. And especially from an employer level, all these things, we just went through this, it's a yearly sexual harassment training that our company has, most companies do. I took it just three months ago when I got hired and we had to do it again. This was the yearly. And there's a whole part about it where even though it's not necessarily, you don't look at it necessarily as sexual harassment, but all the different, again,

Mike (31:11.278)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (31:17.742)
Mm -hmm. Sure. Yeah.

Mike (31:23.246)
Mm -hmm. Right.

Bill (31:35.142)
gender identities and all these different things. It's harassment that's now lumped into that and it is, it's all fucking illegal, you know? So from an employer standpoint, I don't think that I get it, you know, for like what you're saying, but I don't know, having somebody come up to you like that, I think that people almost wanted like, I don't know, drool over people like us now and just kind of be like, yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, we understand it. We love you people, you know?

Mike (31:36.814)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (31:41.998)
Right.

Mike (31:48.046)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (31:56.558)
Hahaha, ooh.

Mike (32:02.254)
Yeah. Yeah. Right. You know, it's fine. Whatever. Exactly. Whatever. Fucking A. Give me more money.

Bill (32:04.966)
Which is fine. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Don't be. Yeah, you can you could be tolerant, but add a couple of fucking zeros behind your tolerance and I'm cool with it, you know? But yeah, but no, I mean, that's that's nice. It had to be a little weird, though, having, you know, having one of these large hair individuals walking up to you and being like, hey, what's up, drunky drunk? Congratulations.

Mike (32:16.93)
Yeah. Right.

There was.

Mike (32:28.91)
Mm hmm. Right, right. Hey, you fucking junkie. Don't wreck our trucks, huh? Right. I'm not at all studying for this test for 14 years. Fuck you. It's funny. And actually, one of the Mucky Muck safety guys was there too. Younger guy is cool, though. And yeah, he was part of our.

Bill (32:34.822)
Hey, I've got a cup here. Do you mind pissing in it while you're here? All right. All right.

Mike (32:57.934)
You know, because part of the thing was they have little meeting with us about different stuff that's going on. And one of them was was marijuana. You know, well, because, you know, it's it's legal in Ohio now. Excuse me. Hmm. A little resin in my throat anyway. But yeah, you know, I mean, you know, so they had to reiterate that, you know, it's still not legal for us because we're federally controlled and, you know.

Bill (33:05.634)
Well, right.

Bill (33:14.374)
Ha ha!

Mike (33:25.998)
technically federally, it's still illegal and yeah, all the nonsense, which I know anyway, but, it's funny while he was giving little speech, he kept looking at me. Now I was sort of in his eye line. So, you know, I was like, kind of like directly in front of them just randomly, you know, but I mean, he was looking around the room, but he kept making eye contact with me and I'm just fucking smiling at him going, you know what, dude, first of all, I've done more drugs than you even know exist.

Bill (33:36.806)
Ha ha.

Bill (33:53.862)
Hehehehe...

Mike (33:54.03)
Second of all, right. 14 fucking years, man. You got nothing to worry about me. I'll fucking spit in your mouth right now.

Bill (34:03.878)
Yeah, right. Yeah, sure. You know, it's a time when you're sitting there and it would have been great to have like a fucking bag of chocolate chip cookies and a bag of Doritos and just start scratching your shoulder and stuff like that. And, you know.

Mike (34:12.334)
huh. You know what? Actually, I was eating a bag of Doritos. Yeah, because we had, like I said, cook out and there's chips and shit. I was eating a bag of Doritos and at one point I did have an itch on my shoulder and I scratched it.

Bill (34:20.934)
Were you really?

yeah.

Bill (34:30.126)
That's just fucking awesome that I was partially true you were just missing the chocolate chip cookies Which I know you would have been eating had they have them so Now see see there you go But but yeah, I mean that's it sucks I mean that you obviously have to drive around do all that shit So is it just is it the time of year? Like I know you guys have slow periods. Is that what it is right now or?

Mike (34:35.598)
Hehehehe.

Mike (34:39.822)
I had had a couple earlier, they did have them.

Mike (34:55.118)
jet and not really. it's, it's just kind of the way the market is sort of ebbed and flowed. And I mean, you know, they talked to us about that too, and whatever. I mean, not right now. Toledo is they're actually sending a couple of our drivers to Toledo next week to cover. So they're like slammed and we're slow. It, you know, whatever, you know, we'll pick back up. It's fine. Yeah, it's just, it's just dumb.

Bill (35:10.662)
Mike (35:21.902)
Yeah, I made my nut this week, so it's it's okay. It's all good.

Bill (35:26.298)
Yeah, and that's kind of funny. It's weird because the, and I think you and I were, I was talking to you about that when I was out there. yeah, we can do a little wrap up on last weekend too, but so I've been in consumer collections for years and you know, obviously with tax refunds and all that stuff, it's, you know, end of February, maybe, but then March, April, and that part of May, biggest times of the year. I mean, literally most collection agencies in the consumer side of things.

you collect probably, I don't know, 40 % of your yearly revenue in a matter of three months, you know, it's huge, you know, but it doesn't apply this way. We're collecting from businesses. It actually could be, I noticed a couple of weeks in that April area, you know, that felt slow, you know, because that's when businesses probably are paying out their money. Yeah, pay their taxes, renew their insurances, do all these different things, you know, so.

Mike (36:07.662)
Right.

Mike (36:14.414)
Sure.

They have to pay their taxes, right? Exactly.

Bill (36:24.134)
Yeah, just kind of it is it's it's it's getting used to like you said, it's it's the ebbs and flows, you know things will come back and you know Right Right, but you know what? I mean the type of the type of work that you do. I mean you're you know, you're Covering and taking and delivering and you know shit all over the place, you know I mean, it's all this shit's got to get someplace, you know, somehow, you know, so

Mike (36:30.734)
powers greater than myself, control of my life.

Mike (36:44.174)
Yeah?

Mike (36:47.918)
It does. Yep. Every fucking thing you own has been on at least one truck and probably five or six or 10. Yeah. I mean, seriously, you look at a pair of sunglasses, right? Okay. The plastic, the chemicals that make the plastic were on one truck. Then they went to someplace, got made into plastic, put on another truck, went up, saw, saw other place, got formed into a frame and a lens. Then, you know, got moved someplace else. Then, you know, the little screw and the little hinge.

That was metal that started off with some iron ore or some shit, some foundry went out of truck, went someplace else, got made into a hinge and a screw, moved someplace else. I mean, seriously, a pair of sunglasses has probably been on 20 or 30 different trucks. Yeah, right. So, you know, yeah, we moved the fucking country, man.

Bill (37:34.758)
Right, right.

Bill (37:40.87)
Right? Well, that's why you can just be like Jack Nicholson and a few good men and just say, you know what? I prefer you just say thank you. I prefer you just say thank you and go on with your day. Leave me alone or whatever.

Mike (37:47.822)
That's right. Yeah, that's right. Or Jack Nicholson and Hoffa. That's a whole nother trucking story. Go watch that one, kids.

Bill (37:59.942)
yeah. Right. Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I saw that too. So I have a I have a little thing on a movie to talk about to little Rob Halford stuff a little smart list stuff. Like it actually I was it was it was funny coming into this because I didn't really I didn't really add much to my list this week. But I'm like I'm like fuck I'm thinking what the fuck am I going to talk about? Not me, you know, but you know, because usually I hit you with these different questions and things like this. But.

Mike (38:19.79)
Mm -hmm.

Right.

Bill (38:27.814)
You know, fuck, we burned almost 40 minutes just talking fucking nonsense. You know what we provided people with so far? Fat action. So on that note, what do you think, Mike? Should we take a break?

Mike (38:33.774)
Hmm, content, that fat action.

Mike (38:43.31)
Yes, we should. All right. We'll be back with more fat action, pH action, after these words from our sponsor.

Bill (38:59.59)
All right, everyone. Welcome back. And it's kind of funny. I was as we were going into that break, I it's like, God, do we have to shut down? Do we have to do something? I know. I know. But you know what? It's just it's again, it's it's what we get conditioned to us, what we get fucking used to. And I'm just like, you know, wow, it's.

Mike (39:08.494)
No, no, shut up.

Mike (39:18.926)
We get used to sitting in our own shit.

Bill (39:21.606)
We, you know what, and that's the thing, and it's been weird for so many weeks now, so many episodes, it's just a couple of months, it's been fucking horrible. But yeah, as I said that, I'm like, I gotta write down the time, I think I forgot the one part, but that's okay, that's okay. So anyhow, all right, I have been listening to, I told you I started listening to Rob Halford's book, did I, yeah, I talked about that last, okay.

Mike (39:46.446)
You said you started it was like his early days.

Bill (39:52.582)
yeah, yeah, I couldn't remember how much I talked about it last week. So again, you know.

Mike (39:56.526)
I don't even know if it was on here, if it was, you know, in real life, cause you were here.

Bill (40:00.166)
Yeah, that could be that could be. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we in in this is honest to God truth kids that we when we're together, it's there are certain things that we just we don't talk about because not that we talk to each other. But, you know, sometimes it's like, God, this would have been a better conversation for the podcast. But but yeah, we can wrap up last weekend, too. But so real quick, I I was listening to it on the way down here from Cleveland down to here, which I don't know. I mean, I was in the car for, you know, nine, 10 hours, whatever it is. Fuck tomorrow.

Mike (40:10.35)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (40:15.214)
Hehehehehe

Mike (40:27.886)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (40:29.382)
I'm heading down to Texas. I mean, it's just the drive is going to be got every bit of 11, I think. So, you know, I might be able to finish his book and a couple of podcasts and whatever, but all good stuff. So it first of all, I just I just want to say that he is he's so much fun to fucking listen to. I mean, granted, he's what is he in his 60s now?

Mike (40:34.19)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (40:38.542)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (40:48.558)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (40:53.454)
So he's got to be close to 70.

Bill (40:56.23)
Is he okay? And he started in this whole music thing, mid to late teens, I think. So, I mean, I can't even remember what year we're at as far as I think he might be in his 30s now in his story. And it's, it's so fucking engaging. And I, I was never a huge Judas Priest fan. Like the music, I listened to it, things like that. But I wasn't like diehard and shit like that, you know, but

Mike (41:01.806)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (41:10.702)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (41:24.454)
It doesn't even matter. Yes, he's talking about the band. He's talking about the music. He's talking about all this stuff. And it's all fucking wonderful. But all these different stories and on top of it, you know, from when he was, you got to figure when he was born, you know, late, what late fifties, early sixties type of thing. And, you know, realizing what he was like, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old that he was gay. I mean, that is that there's another. So he's got he's got that thing. He's got the music thing. He's got all just it's great. So I highly recommend it, even if you're not a.

Mike (41:44.27)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (41:54.374)
you know, a metal fan or whatever, whatever the hell you want to think about it, call it. But I wrote down one thing because this made me laugh. He said they were in the middle of the somewhere in the Netherlands and he was, you know, the driving along in a van, blah, blah, blah. And I think he said something along the lines. He like told the band, you know, he's a guy who got to go to the bathroom like we're not stopping whatever. So he's like, whatever. So he went in the back. He shit in a manila envelope.

Mike (42:18.67)
Mm -hmm.

Nice.

Bill (42:22.374)
So and then apparently like, you know folded it up went to you know, like the front rolled down the window and threw it out and by that point obviously everything whopped it up front. They're like, holy shit, whatever. I'm like that is just fucking classic. I mean a manila envelope So too many other things that to write down but I'm like I at least need to at least need to bring that one up but so so last weekend let's

Mike (42:38.03)
Mmm!

Bill (42:51.174)
Why don't we? Let's recap last weekend. So I was on Cleveland. We did our anniversary weekend. Obviously we ended up going to the casino and the buffet and stuff like that. But the bummer part was is we were gonna obviously try to go with Michael, who was on, Michael was on here. And then we're trying to get our buddy Tony to go too. And Tony let us know, was that on Friday? I think that he, yeah. He had a busy week.

Mike (42:56.334)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (43:06.574)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (43:14.99)
Yeah, I think so.

Bill (43:19.398)
short weekend the whole bit wasn't even was it going to be able to make and then Michael ended up having plans with his girls kind of last minute which is fine you know I mean Christ is his kids we know his we know his girls and all stuff and they're beautiful kids and you know I mean obviously no big deal kind of bummed out you know but not not in a bad way certainly not in a bad way for him but then here's the funniest part so we find this out in the morning on Saturday right and

Mike (43:27.182)
Mm -hmm. Great.

Mike (43:35.534)
Mm -hmm. No.

Mike (43:44.558)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (43:46.822)
I told Mike, I'm like, I got around, I'm going to run to Walmart. Then I'll have to do it when I get down here, the stat. So ran out to Walmart, did a couple of things, came back. I'm on the way back and he's leaving. Mike was leaving. I pulled up, I'm like, where are you going? And blah, blah. He was like, I'm running out to Walmart too. And he's like, he's like, I figured I got to do this. Got to run Lydia out to here. And then he goes, I think we'll get Chinese tonight. I'm like, what, what about the buffet? And he's like, I thought, I thought that was scratched. I'm like, well, I still want to go.

Mike (43:56.558)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (44:09.646)
Hehehehehe

Mike (44:15.614)
That's pretty much how it went too.

Bill (44:17.422)
It really is. I'm like, I'm like, well, it's up to you. But yeah, I kind of want to go. So so we did it. I had already told Mike I was going to I was going to buy his dinner because obviously I stayed with him. Of course he was. He didn't make me pay or anything like that. I just just want to let everyone know he I didn't have to pay anything, but I offered to do that. So, you know, so we went we had got we were what are they? Well, first of all, I almost took a picture of it. What was it? 90 or no, 85.

Mike (44:22.478)
Hehehehehe

Mike (44:31.818)
Mmm. Hehehehehe.

Bill (44:46.79)
85 minutes limit that they have? 75, I'm sorry, okay. Yeah, so an hour and 15 minutes, it says right on the sign there, 75 minute limit in the buffet. And I don't remember that from last time. But, you know, I mean, there's gotta be, what do they call them, buffet busters out there, right? That just, and shit, I mean, you and I, I mean, can fucking eat a ton, let alone somebody who's like a, I don't know, call them a professional quote unquote eater, but.

Mike (44:49.578)
75. Yep.

Mike (45:00.462)
I don't either.

Mike (45:06.286)
sure.

Mike (45:11.406)
-huh.

Mike (45:15.95)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (45:16.422)
it was great. It took a while. They, you know, the stakes that came out, not the best stakes. They had some sort of a problem with that area. but fuck man, it was, it was good. I, I think I was better than, than I was last time, you know, but I was still fucking full by the time we got back to the house. I mean, just, I was fucking full, but when I'm sitting at the casino, we saw, we saw Marty, obviously the guy runs the Keating center, saw Michelle, his wife again, of course.

Mike (45:29.358)
Mm -hmm.

yeah.

Mike (45:39.374)
Of course. Right.

Bill (45:44.87)
And then we were playing back and forth. And what did you end up? You went to 80 cents you had left or something like that. Yeah, and I'm still.

Mike (45:50.894)
Yeah, right. Yeah. I had my yeah, my little ticket thing, right. I had like 80 cents left over. So I handed it to me. Hey, man, you want 80 cents because I'm not going to cash it out and I can't fucking bet anything with it. So here.

Bill (45:57.522)
Yeah.

Bill (46:03.782)
Yeah, and and I was down to at this point, you know, I pulled up well, you know one more 20 and I said I said guys and I think I'm like I think I'm like 60 bucks in right now that I looked I'm like fuck me I said I just put in my last 20 I'm fucking 80 bucks in you know, so he gives me is you know, it's 80 cents and was I down to like six dollars or something like that or ten and You know, I I was playing this playing poker. It's just a video poker and then hit a couple of times hit again hit again hit again

Mike (46:18.958)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (46:23.95)
Yeah, I think so.

Bill (46:33.414)
And I ended up with like $82 or something like that. And I'm like, look at that. I got my money back. And Mike's like, good, let's get the fuck out of here. And then what was it? 20 minutes waiting in line to, to cash out. But yeah. And honest to God truth. And I told Mike this when, when we had, when we were walking out of there, I said, I've never left the casino even ever. You know, because, I don't, I don't see the point, you know, in most cases.

Mike (46:35.95)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (46:41.774)
Yeah!

Yeah, something like that. Mm -hmm.

Mike (47:02.798)
Right.

Bill (47:02.886)
it just kind of like either I'm gonna, I'm gonna win. I, there's never really a, an amount in my mind that says, okay, this is cool. And now I'm going to leave. or I'm just going to stay until it's fucking gone because I figured that that's kind of my mindset. That's that literally that unfortunate alcoholic mentality, right? It's gotta be, you know,

Mike (47:11.79)
Mm -hmm.

Right.

Mike (47:21.326)
Yeah, it is. Yeah, I mean, right. I mean, I think I threw like it was 40 or 60. I don't remember how much I lost, you know, because I never win. And seriously, that's not my thing. And quite frankly, this time and I've been, you know, I've taken Chris there a couple of times. She likes to gamble and she knows she.

being the normie, she knows that she can have a problem with it sometimes. And so just stays the fuck away. Yeah. You know, again, normie, right? You know, I had half a glass of wine. I'm starting to feel it. I need to stop. Right. I could really get into sitting in this casino and spending way too much fucking money trying to win my money back. And she recognizes that. And so she doesn't much. But anyway, my point being, I've been there a few times and.

Bill (47:52.45)
Right.

Mike (48:17.294)
Quite frankly, I don't like it. I find it to be really sad and really depressing. And yeah, I'm just like, okay, I mean, I like going to the buffet. I like to eat. The food's good and all that. But I mean, going up into the casino and just, I don't know, man, the vibe and the atmosphere and yeah, looking at the people and you know, the ones that are winning or happy, but it's not real happiness and.

Bill (48:24.55)
Heheheheh

Mike (48:46.702)
And sometimes just that it's it's fucking sad in there, man. Those people just sit in there feeding money into those machines with false hope. You know, I mean, talk about being hopeless, man, but they don't. They've got this false hope that somehow they're going to fucking win. And it's like, look around at all these lights and flashing and, you know, you paid for this, man. You know, this is not a happy place.

Bill (49:09.798)
Hahaha!

Mike (49:14.286)
This is your you're feeding this fucking machine with some awful hope that you're going to make it out. OK, and you're not mad and it's like that. I don't know. I not my scene at all. I do not like it.

Bill (49:27.366)
Right. No, and I, I get that it's to me, it's a little bit different being there on, you know, on a Friday or Saturday night type of thing. Cause it is more of a people go out and they do whatever and that sort of thing, you know, but I do agree with you because I mean, when you walk around like that and I guess I, I, I don't really pay attention to it much anymore. What I really noticed it though is when, when I used to go to these conferences, cause the

Mike (49:36.654)
Mm -hmm.

Right, I know.

Bill (49:53.83)
wherever I went, you know, there was different casinos in different areas. And it always seemed that the conference was either in the same town as the casino, one of these Indian casinos in Wisconsin or on the way type of thing. so I stopped a lot and a lot of times these conferences were like a Wednesday or Thursday, you know, so middle of the week. And so you're, you're driving there on a Wednesday afternoon and you know, it's two o 'clock in the afternoon and you go into the casino and it's, it's not packed, but it's.

Mike (49:57.454)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (50:11.406)
Right? Yeah.

Bill (50:23.59)
There's a lot of people there, you know, and you're looking at these people and those are the ones that are fucking chain smoking and they're putting money in and, and I'm just like, first of all, like, what the fuck? I mean, it kind of blew my mind. I mean, I had the ability. Yeah. I was quote unquote working, but on my way to a work thing. but I'm like, Jesus Christ, man, that's, you want to talk about some just mind blowing into your point, sadness, you know, and all these, there are buses that come in with senior citizens. And I'm like,

Mike (50:24.878)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (50:28.526)
yeah.

Mike (50:37.998)
Mm -hmm. Sure.

Mike (50:46.734)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (50:50.798)
Yeah? yeah. Yeah.

Bill (50:53.062)
That's kind of fucked up when you really, not even, you don't even have to think about it much. You just take all these fucking old people to the casino. It's quote unquote entertainment, but I mean, how much money are they losing? It's crazy.

Mike (50:57.71)
Mm -hmm. Great.

Mike (51:03.278)
Sure.

Mike (51:06.766)
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know, man. Yeah. I mean, you know, I liked them when I was, you know, drinking and getting fucked up and whatever, man. You know, I mean, a million years ago, my buddy Gary and I, my old guitar player, man, we would take from Sacramento. We take one of those old people buses. I mean, we're fucking, yeah. Long hairs and you know, we were young and we'd be all fucked up on the bus.

Bill (51:16.102)
Right, right.

Bill (51:28.423)
Really?

Bill (51:35.206)
Heheheheh

Mike (51:36.046)
You know, high as fuck. yeah. And we take the old senior citizen bus up to Tahoe and go up there and fucking hang out and you know, free drinks, quote unquote. And yeah, we'd go spend the day up there playing blackjack. And I mean, that was fun, but that was, again, I was, you know, getting drunk and getting high and, you know, yeah. And playing the games and we'd do okay. But, you know, if, if we broke even with the bus ride night, cause the bus was free pretty much to get up there.

You know, I mean, it was, you know, 20 bucks. And then they gave me a bunch of vouchers and shit that equaled like 100 bucks for food and drinks and whatever. Yeah, you know, I mean, that was fun. I was hanging out with my buddy and, you know, watching the old people, watching the old people watch us. but yeah, it's just I can't I'm too sober for this shit, man. I can't walk into those places anymore. And yeah, it's sad, you know, and I mean, people are getting drunk and, you know, and all that. And.

Bill (52:18.854)
Hehehehehe

Mike (52:33.87)
which is fine. I go to when I go to a show and people are getting drunk. That doesn't bother me. But there's just something something about the casino, man. I just I fucking don't like it.

Bill (52:43.054)
Yeah, and I don't know we were in the casino for what I mean 45 minutes maybe if that you know, which is which is fine and but that's the thing that I'm you know, I I'm not I wasn't like mad that I had to leave and didn't lose my money You know, it was it was kind of amazing that I ended up in and that's usually if I'm gonna win anything or break even or wherever the deal is It usually happens towards the end of the night, you know I'm running around and throw money in I'm doing this and that then you know I sit down at like the last machine if I'm gonna win that's it's I'm

Mike (52:47.854)
Yeah, right, yeah.

Mike (52:57.39)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (53:08.43)
Right?

Bill (53:12.966)
It's one way or the other as everything's gone in this machine or I'm going to win something, you know, there's never an in -between It's kind of like, you know again, it's it's my alcoholic nature, you know, it's fucking all or nothing. That's all it is But I mean it was it was a nice week. I mean we had a I I had a nice time, you know, just hanging out obviously hang out at your place and You know, I mean again the buffet the buffet was good. Okay, so if anyone's listening this and eating their breakfast,

Mike (53:17.006)
-huh.

Mm -hmm.

Mike (53:27.854)
Hehehe.

It was. Yep.

Bill (53:42.214)
fucking sorry. Okay, so when we got back that night, I'm just I didn't have like an upset stomach, but I'm like, I'm like, man, I could, I could probably like, taking a shit would help, you know, I think, which it, which I didn't have to. But then in the morning, because I get up again, stupid early, you know, I'm sitting there and I spent what I feel is in a naturally log about a time on the toilet in that morning.

Mike (53:53.934)
Yeah, usually does.

Mike (54:09.646)
Moving some furniture?

Bill (54:11.046)
my God. And I'm just like, I'm like, man, I'm like, it was I didn't seriously I've kind of upset stomach, I didn't feel good. And then even even on a drive down, nothing like I'm like, I felt like I was gonna shit myself or anything. Again, sorry, too much information, but it is what it is. And, you know, every time I'd stop and like, you know, just go in there, whatever. So I'm like, I, it's that type of food. And I was saying that when when we were eating, and I'm like, I don't I don't eat all this kind of food like fucking ever.

Mike (54:35.566)
Mm -hmm. Right.

Bill (54:38.886)
And I didn't eat a lot of bad stuff. They had a couple of pieces of fried chicken. That'll fuck me up. You know, I had shit with gravy. God only fucking knows what's in gravy, you know? The piece of steak that I had was not very good. I'm not saying it was bad meat, but it wasn't the greatest, you know? And then just fucking everything else. Every fucking other thing that I ate. You know, and I'm like, this body of mine, I don't eat, I'm not like a fucking health nut, but I eat relatively healthy -ish. And I'm like,

Mike (54:46.638)
Hehehehehe

Mike (54:54.382)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (54:58.03)
Right.

Mike (55:05.774)
Right? Yeah.

Bill (55:07.75)
Okay. Yeah, this, my body was like, yeah, we're just, we're going to make you pay for the sit down for 20 fucking minutes. You're not moving anywhere unless you want to shit yourself. Like, okay. Nice. Nice. Nice. But, no, I, I really did. I had a nice time. I had a, and like you said, even, even taking away the, taking away the sadness, but, yeah, on the way out that.

Mike (55:13.742)
-huh. Yeah.

Mike (55:29.646)
Hehehehehe

Bill (55:33.606)
some fucking dude walks up to Mike and he's like, I really like your shirt, touches your shirt and like tugs on a little bit and he's like, hmm, just keeps walking. And I'm just, you looked at me and I looked at you like, hmm, that's fucking weird. I mean, first of all, you want to walk by somebody and say, hey dude, nice shirt, fine. But I mean, it wasn't, I don't know, it wasn't even like one of your, I fuck for Satan shirts. It was a button up shirt, kind of a pattern type of shirt, you know?

Mike (55:38.03)
Aha. He did.

Mike (55:46.414)
Heheheheh

Mike (55:51.822)
Alright.

Mike (56:00.366)
Yeah, well, yeah, it was dead dragons on it. And he was, yeah, it was dragons and he was an Asian dude. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It made sense. It was just a little weird, but yeah, whatever. At that point, at that point in the casino, there's nothing that's a little weird. It's all fucking weird. And I'm just like, I'm on my way out. Yep. Yeah. It's a nice shirt. Thanks guy. Appreciate it. Bye.

Bill (56:02.598)
Was it dragons? I guess I didn't pay attention. gotcha.

Bill (56:10.662)
Right.

Bill (56:16.878)
Yeah, we were literally probably 10 yards away from the doorway anyhow, so we were definitely on our way out. But yeah, so anyhow, it was a good weekend, good anniversary weekend, even though our anniversaries were a while away, but anyhow, it was a nice time. All right, so I watched a movie the other day and it was back from...

Mike (56:38.19)
That was.

Bill (56:46.694)
was it 2000? I can't remember what it was. 2020 I think. So there's this is a second movie by or with Ben Affleck that I've watched in the last couple of months that I really liked. The other one was The Accountant. That's not a new movie that was back from I don't know 2013 -14, 2016 something but that was a good movie. I don't think I'd ever seen it before. And then this one was called The Way Back. Okay. And it was on what's that?

Mike (56:50.734)
-huh.

Mike (57:13.23)
Never even heard of it. Never even heard of it.

Bill (57:16.934)
I never had either. That was a weird part, you know, because again, I mean, it's even if somebody doesn't like that, I'm not a huge fan of his, you know, one way or the other, don't give a flying fuck one way or the other. But I don't know. You think you hear about it. But anyhow, so he was a this phenomenon type of basketball player in high school, whatever happened, walked away from the game. This and that he ends up coaching the basketball team at the, you know, kind of like the.

the church type of school, the Catholic school that he went to. So, but the movie starts out, he's on a construction site and doing his thing and comes down like the elevator off the building, the building hops into his, it's like it's an older Chevy blazer, like a big, you know, the big SUV Chevy Blazers. And they showed it's camera, like somebody sitting in the back seat. He reaches behind the seat, behind the passenger seat, it's got a cooler there, you see him open it.

Mike (57:47.47)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (58:01.422)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (58:11.59)
pulls out and you can see it just dripping with ice and cold and it's a beer. Opens it up, pours it in this cup and drives home. And I'm like, I've done that before. First thing I said, I'm like, yeah, dude's got a roadie. And so they show that and then he ends up at a bar. And then they're showing this and that. He drank too much, somebody's gotta take him home. They show him taking a shower. Later they show him taking a shower. But it's just back and forth and it's drinking. I'm like, okay, so I get it. This dude's gotta, clearly.

Mike (58:15.662)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (58:20.75)
Right?

Bill (58:39.782)
I mean, he's drinking alcoholically, I guess is the point. in this one, this one point when they asked him to, to be the coach and he's kind of mulling it over, they show his refrigerator, which probably has no less than 20 beers in it, you know, on the shelf of the refrigerator outside of the, you know, it's not in the 12 pack or the case or whatever, just beer sitting there and they show it. He, so he takes one, he takes out two beers, puts one in the freezer, drinks it, walks around mulling around.

Mike (58:54.126)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (59:07.206)
Next time he goes in, grabs one from refrigerator, puts that in the freezer, takes the one in the freezer, drinks it. So they show this rounded round that this beer is just depleting in his refrigerator. And I mean, he, he clears the deck, you know? and that didn't even like faze me. I'm just like, okay. You know, and they show them in the shower the next day, cause they mean clearly he got fucking annihilated and he's got one of those like things that you hang up, you know, behind the shower.

Mike (59:18.606)
Alright.

Bill (59:34.246)
or the showerhead, you obviously get shampoo and stuff like that and they show the beer there so he's got his shower beer. And you know what I said to myself? I'm like, well, I never did that. Swear to fucking God. No, but. But swear to fucking God, after all this different shit that he's doing, and it's some of it gets better, some of it gets worse throughout the movie, whatever, but clearly he's drinking alcoholically, all this different stuff.

Mike (59:35.662)
Mm -hmm. Bye. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Mike (59:43.438)
You never had a shower beer? You're in fucking A man, you're not an alcoholic.

Bill (01:00:03.43)
But again, it's the, well, I never did that. And I'm like, I started, I literally started laughing to myself. I'm like, I laughed, I paused it, then I made a note. Cause I'm like, I'm like, isn't that, that's, isn't that so typical of us? You know, all these different things I'm kind of relating to him saying, it's a roadie. I empty in the fridge, clear in the deck. He's, he's drinking, he's drink, he dumps his, dumps vodka in his coffee cup when he goes to work and all this different shit, you know, none of it even fazed me.

Mike (01:00:07.598)
Hehehehe

Mike (01:00:14.254)
Hehehehe.

Mike (01:00:18.606)
Hmm.

Bill (01:00:33.094)
At least drink it in the shower. And I'm like, now don't get me wrong. I'm sure I know for a fact I had a beer outside of the shower. I know I had one in the bathroom. I just didn't have it in the shower. Okay. You know, so it was, it was there. So the, whatever it is, the 10 minutes it took me to, you know, take a shower, I wasn't drinking, but, but just literally having one in the shower. I'm like, Ooh, well I never did that.

Mike (01:00:33.102)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Mike (01:00:41.294)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Mike (01:00:57.326)
Yeah, well I did. So whatever. huh.

Bill (01:00:59.046)
No, I know but but isn't that fucked up, you know out of all the different things, you know, it's the it reminded me of I was listening to or maybe I saw it on an Instagram It was talking about, you know comparing yourself again and we talked about that plenty of times You know how dangerous that could be and and once again 14 fucking years into this and I'm watching some random fucking movie and I'm still Comparing myself, you know, no, I wasn't that bad

Mike (01:01:10.638)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (01:01:17.261)
-huh.

Mike (01:01:24.334)
Hehehehehe

Bill (01:01:25.638)
Which I didn't say that, I'm just like, well, I never did that. Kind of like, ooh. But have you ever done, I mean, watching something, doing something, like recently, have you ever had, just kind of slipped and still, I don't know, fell into that behavior or that thought pattern?

Mike (01:01:29.006)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (01:01:41.518)
probably, you know, I can't think of, you know, I mean, sure. You know, no, I never actually hit an old lady over the head, to take her money. So, you know, whatever, but I thought about it. So, nah, nah, not, not certainly not recently. Nothing jumps to mind. Cause now there's, there's not much, you know,

Bill (01:01:44.226)
Right.

Bill (01:01:56.39)
Right, right.

Bill (01:02:07.814)
Heheheheh

Mike (01:02:08.558)
I was piece of shit. I just freely admit that and there's not, yeah, you know, okay. So I maybe didn't physically do that. You know, I didn't move the beer from the sink into the shower. Like, you know, like you, I did, I brought the beer into the shower with me. you know, the only reason I didn't bring anything else in there with me is cause I didn't want it to get wet. Yeah. But that, you know, the other shit was on the sink. Yeah.

Bill (01:02:24.25)
Right.

Bill (01:02:32.774)
Right, right.

Mike (01:02:38.382)
Now, I know now if I didn't actually physically do it, I certainly thought about it. It was certainly within the realm of possibility. Yes, I am that bad. I just it doesn't even I don't even question it anymore. Even if I didn't actually do something, I am bad enough that I probably should have or would have given the opportunity. So now I don't think that way. I am I'm capable of all kinds of monstrous shit.

even if I didn't actually do it.

Bill (01:03:08.302)
Well, and that's the whole point is it clearly I am too, but it's just where my mind still went to like, ooh, you know, it's just I'm like, where does that where does that still that that again that that better than type of thought patterns still come from? Because I know I'm not. Right.

Mike (01:03:22.35)
Well, yeah, the disease tried to protect itself in your fucking fucked up mind. Yep.

Bill (01:03:29.286)
Right? Yeah. I mean, but I can't, you know, one one little sliver of a thing out all the different things he does. I can relate to every other fucking thing he did there, you know, but it was just it made it made me laugh. But yeah, I mean, he said it's it's a good movie. You know, if if anyone out there again wants to see it, if you if you can stand that, I feel like it's called the way back. But I'm not going to ruin anything else. He's a fucking alcoholic. That's it. It's pretty clear from the start. So I'm not.

Mike (01:03:36.846)
Right.

Mike (01:03:40.654)
That is funny.

Mike (01:03:54.382)
Right.

Bill (01:03:58.054)
It's not a spoiler alert, that's for damn sure. So, yeah, I got a couple of things I wanna tell you. Well, first of all, I feel like I just been, you already told me about your work thing, but anything else that kind of on your mind, anything with your week or, cause I got a couple of things I wanna kind of tell you about the whole Tennessee thing where I'm at, but.

Mike (01:04:00.206)
All right.

Mike (01:04:16.11)
Yeah, tell me about where you're at, man. I'm, you know, I'm still here in Cleveland. Nothing's fucking changed.

Bill (01:04:20.346)
Right. So, again, got up on Godley early, got down here. I don't know, whatever time I texted you guys, it was like two o 'clock. I couldn't check in until three, so I just, I went and there's a Kroger up the road from here. There's a Walmart. I had to get stuff from both. No Aldi. The Aldi's like half hour away from wherever I'm at. I'm like, I'm not doing that. You know, so got all the groceries and whatever. So get back here, get everything done, kind of get everything settled. Because again, this is Sunday. I don't, I'm used to with.

Mike (01:04:28.782)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:04:49.126)
When I've been doing this, I get in wherever I am on Saturday. I don't really have to settle anything until the next day. But I'm like, I got to rush and get something to eat and do the whole bit. So I did all that, get everything all set up. And you know, this place is, it's fine. It's an older house. And actually, the funny thing is it reminds me a little bit of the last place that I lived in before I got sober. It's in a neighborhood. It's not on a big piece of property with that sort of thing. But, you know, just again, it's...

Mike (01:04:54.318)
huh.

Mike (01:05:10.798)
Hmm. Hmm.

Bill (01:05:17.958)
There's parts of it you could tell, just kind of old -ish type of thing. The backyard area there, it's a side -by -side type of thing. So basically the same, obviously carbon copy on the other side, that sort of thing. So two family, which is fine. The neighborhood down here, I would say, you sprinkle in a little redneck, sprinkle in a little hood. It's kind of some old people around. It's a mixed type of thing. Community looks nice enough. I didn't really go anywhere, the fucking store, but no issues there.

Mike (01:05:44.622)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:05:47.43)
So I got my groceries to get back and get everything settled. I'm like, I gotta fucking eat something. You know, plus I'm tired. So I go because I get green beans. I get some potatoes and I go looking and I'm like looking for a can opener. I'm like getting ready to kind of get my dinner together. Here's a fucking can opener. I mean, no hand can opener, certainly no fucking electric one. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? So I didn't think about looking, you know? Well, anyhow, I did shopping before I before I got here. Anyhow.

Mike (01:06:04.206)
Mmm.

Mike (01:06:08.622)
No.

Right?

Bill (01:06:18.118)
Not that it's that far away, but I had to fucking run back up to Walmart. I had to buy a fucking can opener. And I'm tired and I'm hungry. You know, at that point, that's a bad, for me, that's, that's kind of that's, that's my pissy time, you know? So I get back, I ate everything else. I get everything settled, get all my stuff kind of put away, whatever. So, wake up, wake up on Monday, get everything set. Everything's fine. My work shit works a little bit slower internet, but everything's fine.

Mike (01:06:22.606)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (01:06:29.486)
Sure.

Bill (01:06:42.47)
I get up on Tuesday and I usually make a sandwich in the morning so I don't have to, you know, kind of cut in the time of my lunch. I got short lunches. So I grabbed my bread and I always put it in the Ziploc bag to keep it fresh. So a couple of pieces of bread out there, put it on there. And I, I bought another loaf of bread. So that's in the same cupboard, right? Kind of lower cupboard or lower drawer. And I go to, you know, I zip the bag up and then I always check to make sure it's sealed and I squeeze it. And it's like,

not sealed on kelp. The Ziploc part not working. That zipped up and I looked and I'm like, fuck, I snagged the bag. There's a hole in the side of the bag. And then I look and I'm like, what the fuck did I, and I'm like, I look and there's a hole through the Ziploc, a hole through the plastic and the bread, and then chew marks on the bottom of the bread. There's a fucking mouse. There's a fucking mouse. And then I look at the two pieces of bread that I have. Luckily there's like five slices of bread left in there.

Mike (01:07:17.582)
huh.

Mike (01:07:27.854)
Mmm.

Bill (01:07:38.534)
It's just the bottom two that would shoot on. Not the ones that I had. So I'm like, well, I threw that one out. I took everything out of the cupboard because I had, I had a bag, I had two bags. I bought a bag of Doritos, a bag of chips. I had a bag of like Ziploc bag of my cookies in there. I had a bag of apples in there. Nothing else got touched except for the bread. And I'm like, well, what the fuck do I do with this now? I put it all in the oven. Cause I'm like, I'm not using the oven, you know?

Mike (01:07:56.526)
Alright.

Mike (01:08:06.926)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:08:07.654)
So yeah, I put all my food in there and then it was after I think you have to work on Tuesday. I messaged a guy I'm like, just so you know, I'm like, there's got to be at least a mouse and he was like, can I get an exterminator out there tomorrow? I'm like, and I'm like, you know, my first thought was why the fuck did I even tell him until I was about to leave, you know, and I'm like, obviously the guys got to get in the house, right? And he's like, well, yeah. And I said, I worked during the day. I said that.

Mike (01:08:19.886)
Ha ha!

Mike (01:08:24.846)
huh. Right.

Bill (01:08:34.502)
I can't have interruptions. I can't have a fucking exterminator in here. Yeah, I always forgot about that. Yes, again. You know, yeah, you do. And I wasn't even thinking about that, that it makes it more funny. But I just told the guy, I said, listen, I said, I don't care. And I said, just so you know, I said, this is a conversation between you and I. I realize how important your reviews are. They're

Mike (01:08:37.678)
again.

Mike (01:08:42.67)
That's why I started laughing when you said exterminate her. I kind of listened.

Bill (01:09:01.83)
just as important for me because I travel, I'm starting to travel a lot. I said, this is a private conversation. This will not be made public. I'm like, unless you think it's an emergency, he's like, well, there was a, is there a good time during the day? I'm like, no. I said, I'm on the phone all the time, all day. I said, I can't. I said, I work for a law firm. I'm calling up businesses. I'm like, I can't have some fucking exterminator clanking around here. I can't, again.

Mike (01:09:25.678)
again.

Bill (01:09:29.094)
it's just even seriously, I never thought about that. That's fucking crazy. But, so yeah, he's like, he goes, that's okay. We'll, we'll do it after you leave. So everything's fine. cause then I'm like, I'm like, well, I just put it in the, again, put it in the oven and my, my food was fine, but, everything else is fine. You know, it's.

Mike (01:09:41.486)
-huh.

I hate to break it to you, mice can get into ovens.

Bill (01:09:47.622)
I know, and that's, I know that, because still every morning I check everything. Because the reason I know about the oven thing is when Pam and I lived in an apartment, our first apartment in Wisconsin, when we moved back after we'd been living out by my dad, we were in the kitchen one time and Pam was actually in the kitchen. I was standing there too. We were putting away groceries, you're doing something. And literally we had an electric stove and this mouse just came up right through, right through the burner.

Mike (01:09:54.542)
-huh.

Mike (01:10:14.126)
-huh.

Bill (01:10:17.35)
And popped up and he's like, fucking looking at both of us. and I believe me, I know that full well, but I'm like, I, that's my only option. I want to put everything in the refrigerator, you know? So, and I'm like, why don't I go fucking buy a cooler, just a monster cooler to put all my food in, not to keep it cold, but so something can't get in it. but yeah, every goddamn day I checked it just to make sure. Cause I know, I know they can get in there less likely, you know, less of a, you know, it's, it's less of an opportunity, but, I was just like, fuck me.

Mike (01:10:20.494)
Hehehehehe

Right.

Mike (01:10:33.326)
Right. Yeah.

Mike (01:10:41.518)
Yeah, right. huh.

Bill (01:10:46.79)
Yeah

Mike (01:10:47.342)
Yep. Yeah, yep, yep. You gotta quit fucking checking into these Roach -infested, rodent -infested fucking places, man.

Bill (01:10:52.07)
Yeah, well, you know that the funny part is, is the, and again, it's an older house when you look in the back, I mean, it's all, you know, it's woods back there and stuff like that. Having a mouse, having a mouse is something, that's why it doesn't freak me out. I mean, it doesn't bother me, you know, and I'm like, okay, as long as you don't keep the food out, there probably, maybe things running around here at night. I mean, I don't know what the fuck it's doing, but you know.

Mike (01:11:05.674)
Right? Right. yeah. Right.

Mike (01:11:15.982)
Exactly. Yeah. All right. I've, you know, I fucking live in the city, man. My old house, you know, there would be a mouse in there occasionally. there's been one or two in here since I've lived here, you know, I've got a couple of traps, you know, and they've been empty for quite some time, but yeah, I have caught a couple, you know, the almost five years I've lived here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, well, cause when I first moved in, I, I left cookies out.

Like out of the, on the counter and shit, man. And, yeah, they, they found those, they smelled them from outside and they came in and came downstairs one morning and that shit was all chewed up. I said, motherfucker. Well, can't leave these out anymore.

Bill (01:11:49.862)
Hahaha!

Bill (01:11:56.902)
Yeah. Right. Well, and that's the thing. It's like, I mean, I get it. And I completely understand, especially when, you know, when I didn't think about when I got here, but you look, you look out back and stuff like that. It's an older house. You know, it's not any house. It could be brand brand fucking new. I mean, these these mice can get through anything, you know, and it's it doesn't mean it's dirty or filthy or anything like that. Anyone's home is it just kind of fucking is what it is. You know, that's why I was trying to tell the guy I'm like, shit, man, I'm like, I don't fucking care. I just don't.

Mike (01:12:10.478)
Right.

Mike (01:12:18.35)
Meh.

Exactly.

Mike (01:12:25.934)
Right.

Bill (01:12:26.758)
But I'm like, I can't, I don't have the flexibility to have a goddamn exterminator. Again, exterminator. Yeah, exterminator, exterminator, exterminator. No, I really don't, I really don't. But yeah, so anyhow, it is what it is. I don't know that, like I had a great time in Memphis. I mean, it was more to see, it was cool, it was downtown. I wouldn't have just come here as a destination because all this was Dyersburg.

Mike (01:12:32.782)
What now?

What, try that again? All right.

Mike (01:12:48.59)
Right?

Mike (01:12:53.518)
Where the hell are you again? That's right. Yeah, right. Where?

Bill (01:12:57.25)
Yeah, the old, exactly. But the only reason was it was a middle point when I searched. I mean, this was the most affordable place I could find within a radius, because I tried to cut the drive in half, which, you know, it's a little bit heavier on the way on my drive tomorrow. But I did that on purpose because I'm figuring, I knew I was coming out on a Sunday of coming from your place. You know, but it served a purpose. I mean, it's fine. Again, the internet's a little bit slower and whatever it is, but I...

Mike (01:13:22.062)
Yeah. Yeah.

Bill (01:13:26.246)
I was able to work, I didn't have any problems or anything like that, so it was all good. But yeah, so tomorrow is going to be a long drive. But I'm looking forward to that. Again, down by the Gulf and Galveston and like 30 minutes north of Galveston is where I'm going to be. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it a lot, actually. So there. So yeah, that was my Tennessee thing. So yeah, fuck, we got time. I got a couple more, I think.

Do you hear my chair squeaking? That's the other thing. I got to get WD -40, my fucking chair. Again. Maybe I needed an exterminator for my chair. Again. But yeah, I need to get some WD -40 on this chair because it's pissing me off. okay. So this is just, this kind of made me laugh. Okay. SmartList, I talk about that podcast quite a bit, right?

Mike (01:13:58.222)
Shirt's not a mouse.

Maybe.

Mike (01:14:17.998)
Alright.

Mike (01:14:22.094)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:14:22.758)
And I was just looking for something to listen to the other night. I was kind of halfway listening to music in the background. And I'm like, I'm tired of music for now. I want to see what's on the podcast. I looked at a smart list and they had had, I don't know what it was. They had Joe Biden on, I dunno, a while ago. I didn't listen to it. And I'm like, fuck it. I don't give a fuck what that guy has to say. but I looked at it and it says three presidents. I'm like three presidents. And I thought it was a fucking joke because they, you're like, they're, they're saying that Joe Biden.

Mike (01:14:38.318)
Yeah.

Mike (01:14:41.87)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (01:14:48.462)
huh.

Bill (01:14:51.366)
Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? So I popped in and listened to it for like, I don't know 20 or 25 minutes. A couple of things is that to start out with, I like I listened to Barack Obama's episode with Mark Maron and I, I enjoyed it. I thought it was he's, he's intelligent guy. They had a great conversation. I think Mark specifically tried to, and he said that was trying to keep it away from political shit than that, that, and it was just a great conversation.

Mike (01:14:58.638)
huh.

Mike (01:15:06.958)
Yeah.

Mike (01:15:20.846)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:15:20.902)
Whereas these guys, and I know enough about the three that do smart lists, they're very political. They talk about, they wouldn't even say Trump's name. They talked about the other guy. You know, I'm not, I'm not a Trump guy. I don't like, I don't fucking like either one of them, you know? But it just kind of cracked me up. They're, they're, they're those people. They can't even say the other one's name, you know, which is fine. So they get on there and they're talking to Clinton right away and they're talking about something and they end up talking about,

Mike (01:15:29.102)
-huh.

Right?

Bill (01:15:46.47)
Jason Bateman was asking me, he's like, if you ever spend any time around Lake of the Ozarks, because obviously Jason Bateman did the show Ozark. And Clinton's like, a little bit of time there and this and that. And he's like, were you somehow this and that? So Pot came up. If you're talking about this, so fucking talking to Clinton about Pot, you know, and different things. And then, no, no, he did not. He did not. But then Brock is talking about whatever. He's actually, he's laughing, he's making jokes about whatever.

Mike (01:15:52.846)
Right?

Mike (01:16:01.902)
-huh.

Do you finally admit he hailed? Fucker.

Bill (01:16:16.07)
Then Biden's talking about a couple of things. So for the, in the entire 20 minutes or 25 minutes I listened to, with the exception of the beginning, when Clinton was talking about talking, just cause he sat down first, didn't say a fucking word. The two of them were going back. Barack was the one kind of like commanding the conversation, which was kind of funny. But then then I'm kind of thinking about this. I'm like one way or the other, I don't give a flying fuck about any one of their politics. Okay. but I'm like that it's kind of cool. You know, I mean, I couldn't even imagine they, they went someplace and they were obviously at a.

Mike (01:16:26.19)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (01:16:32.11)
-huh.

Mike (01:16:38.862)
Right?

Bill (01:16:45.958)
Not obviously, but they were at some hotel or something like this with these with these guys and they're joking around to begin with about cavity searches and blah blah blah. But then I'm thinking I'm like, I'm like, out of all three of those, who would I want? Not that we would ever have the opportunity because I know it's not we would never would. But if I had the opportunity to get anyone's three on there, I'd want fucking Clinton. You know, and in the first thing is I two things I thought about, I'm like, I think he'd be.

Mike (01:17:01.742)
Mmm.

Mike (01:17:07.918)
yeah, yeah, me too. Right.

Bill (01:17:14.79)
he'd be a hoot to talk to, number one. But on top of that, I'm like, if we ever had him on, and again, I'm saying this just, you know, this dream kind of sequence here. I'm like, this would have to be live, because I think somebody would hang this up, because my first question would be, you know, something along the lines is, what was it like the first time that you were in the Oval Office? You know, something like that. And I was like, is this that? And I'm like, what was it like the first time you got your dick sucked into the Oval Office?

Mike (01:17:16.398)
-huh.

Mike (01:17:34.542)
-huh.

Mike (01:17:38.958)
Right!

Bill (01:17:40.358)
That would that would literally that would be my second question and I'm sure at that point it'd be hello Mr. Clinton Mr. Clinton Yes, mr. Clinton is now unavailable to speak to you guys fine Fine fuck them. I I know I'm sure with it. I don't know what it felt like but I'm sure was fucking awesome

Mike (01:17:44.622)
Yeah.

Mike (01:17:52.91)
Right, we're having some technical difficulties.

Mike (01:18:00.91)
yeah. Right. Exactly. Well, I mean, my personal opinion, he's, he was the last president we had that had half a brain in his head, but you know, yeah, whatever you said, Brock's intelligent. I don't think so. there's something to listen to the way the guy talks, man. Every other word is, I mean, he's, I don't know, man. Yeah. Clinton was the last one. I thought that half had a half a brain in his head.

Bill (01:18:09.702)
Hahaha!

Bill (01:18:27.59)
Right. I mean, I don't know. It's just, you know, the Barack comes across. He's a Clinton was always a I think an amazing speaker and very captivating type of speaker. And I think Barack was too. I've never paid attention to the young part. Usually I pick up on that. I mean, listen into it again. I won't get into Joe Biden, but listening to him, I'd rather I'd rather stare at this fucking wall than listen to anything that Joe Biden says. Yeah. In in really, you know, from.

Mike (01:18:37.038)
Mm hmm. Right. Yeah.

Mike (01:18:50.702)
Nope, paint dry.

Bill (01:18:55.622)
Again, you and I talked about it before. Neither one of us are really affiliated with either of the parties, as they put it, but it just, I don't know, regardless of that. But yeah, Clinton was, he was a fucking party animal too, I think. So I think he...

Mike (01:19:01.23)
Mm -mm. Nope.

Mike (01:19:10.254)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, he was, yeah, he's the only rock and roll president, man. Yeah.

Bill (01:19:16.646)
Right, right. I just, it would be really hard for me not to, cause I'm sure, you know, you gotta think that there's gotta be, when you have people on like that, any of these podcasts. Once again, I don't have this illusion or delusion that we're ever gonna have a fucking ex -president on. I don't mean it that way. It's just if. You know, I know what questions I would wanna ask and if you can't ask about anything about Monica Lewinsky, I'd be like, well, fuck it, don't bring him on. Because.

Mike (01:19:31.52)
Mm -hmm. No.

Right.

Mike (01:19:41.806)
Right. There.

Bill (01:19:44.006)
Because I don't want to talk about, I don't care about his fucking politics. Yeah, it'd be fun to talk about his musical side and the fact that he's, you know, he's a party animal. But I'd want to ask about how much of a bitch Hillary is and what it was like to get his dick sucked in the White House. I want to know those things. These are guy things, you know? What was it like living with her? Not Lewinsky, but the other one, you know? But anyhow, so it just, it kind of, I don't know.

Mike (01:19:55.534)
Mm. Yep. Exactly.

Mike (01:20:05.45)
Right.

Bill (01:20:13.094)
I almost didn't listen to it, but I'm like, man, I have to at least listen to part of it. And I may listen to the rest while I'm driving, but just to see if Clinton pops his head up out of the sand during that too. But.

Mike (01:20:18.698)
Yeah. Mm hmm.

Mike (01:20:24.814)
Right. Yeah. Sure. It's interesting, man. You know, entertaining, you know, DC is Hollywood for ugly people.

Bill (01:20:28.806)
Yeah, exactly.

Bill (01:20:34.214)
That's a great way to put that. I've never even thought about that. Hey, you know, is it really?

Mike (01:20:39.054)
that's, that's an old line, man. Certainly not a real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Politics is Hollywood for old people or ugly people. Old to old and ugly.

Bill (01:20:46.542)
Right. Yeah, that's I mean, God, again, you look at, again, somebody like fucking Biden's like 80 years old or something like that. It just did. It blows my mind that I again take take aside his politics. I don't know why a guy of that age would want to want to spend another four years if he gets reelected, spend another four years to this fucking garbage. You know, I just don't I don't understand.

Mike (01:20:54.638)
Yeah.

Mike (01:21:05.226)
Right. Well, it's his life. He's never had a real job.

Bill (01:21:10.918)
Yeah, that's that's right. I remember I remember hearing about that same. Well, same thing with Bernie Sanders was the same way. I don't think he's done anything outside of right.

Mike (01:21:13.966)
Yeah, right. Now those guys. Yeah, exactly. They go to college and they do like a couple of years in some fucking shitty law firm and then they go to Washington and never leave.

Bill (01:21:27.878)
All right, well, that's an interesting one. Seeing as we never talk about politics, it really wasn't political. That was more talking about Clinton getting his dick sucked and more than anything else. Right. So, you know, and I know we had talked about this probably a couple months ago now, but I still, we still want to, I think, kind of start diving into steps six and seven again, right? Let me just talk about those. I mean, I have my, I brought my, it's not.

Mike (01:21:35.278)
Yeah, exactly. Rock on, dude.

Mike (01:21:51.406)
Yeah.

Bill (01:21:56.806)
in here right now, it's actually in my car. But if I think about it next week, yeah, coming up, we've got, if anyone's been paying attention on Instagram, our buddy Gary's coming back May 17th. What day is it today? Two weeks from today. We're gonna have Gary on again. Just kind of checking in, seeing where he's at, number one, but also just, I think Gary's just gonna be part of us for that weekend. Whatever, if he wants to talk about shit, we'll let him talk about shit or we'll just talk stupid stuff. But.

Mike (01:22:06.542)
Mm -hmm.

Bill (01:22:26.822)
Then we have another guy, John from SoberSpeak. It's a website, look it up. Also look him up on Instagram at SoberSpeak. So take a look at that, we got some guests coming up. But I don't know, maybe next week if we think about it, maybe we can, again, this week I didn't think we have anything to talk about. We fucking filled, I know, isn't it fucking amazing? And you know, on top of that too, last thing here, seriously though, our.

Mike (01:22:45.934)
I never think we're gonna have anything to talk about.

Bill (01:22:54.662)
our listenership has dropped and I'm sure it's been because of the technical stuff like that. But we're literally minutes away from ending this episode with no technical difficulties. Even with me having slower internet, we fixed that with just one minor thing, but that's the internet, that's nothing else. But we made another mild adjustment. So I don't know, if whoever is still listening, pass it along again that we hopefully are out of the technology woods. So.

Mike (01:23:00.046)
Mm -hmm.

Mike (01:23:18.894)
Night.

Mike (01:23:24.11)
Yes.

Bill (01:23:24.134)
I don't know. It'd be nice. We're still trying to, we're not begging for your money. We talked about that a couple of, a couple of months ago. We seriously, we don't want your fucking money. We want your, we want your fucking ears. We want to blow this shit into your ears. Yeah, we're going to shoot our wad into your ears. All right. You know what? On that note, Mike, guess what? It's your turn.

Mike (01:23:29.054)
Now, yes.

That's right. We want into your minds.

Mike (01:23:43.15)
Nice.

All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for listening to another technological free problem free thing. Home. Yes. See, I'm going to fuck it up at the end. Nice. Thanks for listening to another episode of Sober Not Mature. It's always be kind to each other. Be good to each other. Go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it. Guess what? It's time. It's time, kids.

It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying you cannot fuck off past here. Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

Bill (01:24:32.486)
So do you want to try it? What did you say? A technological, Leely? I liked it. I was sitting there, I was muted, but I was laughing and I'm like, I'm never gonna try, I'm not gonna take my part, I'm not gonna try to bail you out. It's like, that one's on you. That one's on you. Yeah. Right. Stroked out with some fat action.

Mike (01:24:34.99)
I don't know. Yes. That.

I know. no, please don't. Yes, it's all me. I stroked out very briefly. It's fine now. We're back. Bye. Yes, right.

Bill (01:25:00.614)
Alright man, well, yeah, tomorrow, well actually next week I will speak to you and everyone else from Texas. Alright man, other than that, fuck this, we're done. I love you, I love you brother. Bye.

Mike (01:25:07.662)
That's right.

Mike (01:25:12.526)
We're done. I love you too, brother. Bye.