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June 7, 2024
SoberNotMature - Episode 120 (Getting The Goat's Consent)
This week it's Founder's Day Weekend! And, your favorite pals, Mike and Bill, are here again.
We started off with a slight rant about a thing that happened on Instagram. June is Pride month, we posted about it and someone apparently had an issue with us. Check it out.
Then Mike did his reading and it was about values, the beauty of life, doing the next right thing and living well. It actually fit perfectly with the first story and we had a good conversation.
On to music news, Green Day, party packs, the message or the messenger and struggles in early recovery.
We chatted about Founder's Day a little bit also and possibly said a few inappropriate things. What else is new.
Enjoy the episode.
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Transcript
00:00:02.74
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. And hey, you know what? It's Pride Month, and I bring that up for for two reasons. First of all, you know why? Because it's Pride Month.
00:00:16.52
Mike
Right.
00:00:17.22
Bill
But I also have a ah story about it, which I can tell you, well, in a second, because I want to tell you one more thing. but So I've got a story about it, but yeah, it's Pride Month, and that's what the story is kind of about.
00:00:25.06
Mike
Ah.
00:00:28.32
Bill
But one other thing real quick, and actually before we got on, um I started to tell Mike something. I'm like, I'm going to wait till we're recording. So we're using, wait wait a second, this episode is brought to you again by Zencaster.
00:00:41.66
Mike
ah
00:00:41.88
Bill
yeah zen casters so cool we don't need the e um but i i get this email today that's like ah oh you're the new zen casters here and i'm like so i log into it and the dashboard now i looked at i'm like holy fuck this kind of looks riverside ish not the recording screen that we're on
00:01:00.20
Mike
Ah, yeah, right.
00:01:02.93
Bill
But I looked at the the dashboard, you know, like the dashboard that I come in where the episode is. I'm like, Oh, fuck me. This is seriously, it's, it's like a, I don't know, like the grandson of of Riverside. I'm like, Oh fuck, they better. I mean, it's fine. You know, they're, they're multiple recordings and local record, all this shit, the good stuff that they have like Riverside fine. That's cool.
00:01:25.00
Mike
Right.
00:01:25.23
Bill
But man, don't start fucking with shit. But here's the thing, I'm gonna throw a positive on here, is that this particular software has these three different things. You can do like, I don't know, this there's there's three different levels to it. We go on just the audio only, and it doesn't give you even any opportunity to turn a video on or anything like that.
00:01:46.12
Mike
Right?
00:01:46.40
Bill
If you notice when you come in, you can't see shit, there's no option for you to do anything.
00:01:49.09
Mike
Yeah, yeah, right. Right.
00:01:50.99
Bill
And when I look at the settings, it actually says like monitor is is off, it's disabled. So um I'm hoping that they had their shit together with that where, um I don't know, and just when I saw it, I'm like, oh God, please don't, please.
00:01:56.91
Mike
Cool.
00:02:05.75
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:02:07.50
Bill
Copy the good, don't don't get it. And Riverside, same thing, I got a new email from Riverside today. Oh, we got all these new enhancements, more stuff. And I'm like, fuck you.
00:02:15.53
Mike
Great. Right.
00:02:16.90
Bill
ah
00:02:17.44
Mike
We don't want your shit.
00:02:17.70
Bill
ah now we don't need all this fucking garbage simplistic and you know what last week's episode that's the other thing i told mike right away when we're recording right now his voice sounds a little bit softer but it evened up everything was cool on the recording um and seriously everything was perfect i was able to um it downloaded i actually had plans last friday or last thursday when we recorded so
00:02:32.30
Mike
yeah Right.
00:02:43.11
Mike
right
00:02:44.37
Bill
I started downloading. It was taking a long time and like, fuck it. I'll come back later and do it. Uh, we figured I'd do it on Friday and it down.
00:02:49.84
Mike
Uh, nice.
00:02:52.08
Bill
And like within, I don't know, a half hour, I get this notification on my, in my emails, like, oh yeah, your, your episodes all, all produced. I'm like, really? So it still did it in the background. I didn't have to sit there and fucking wait for it. So it was nice. Yeah.
00:03:07.85
Mike
All right then.
00:03:08.09
Bill
But anyhow, so
00:03:09.00
Mike
Right. So apparently this shit's working.
00:03:11.35
Bill
You know what, um as of last episode and now three minutes and 15 seconds in, yeah, it's working.
00:03:17.89
Mike
Cool. Good. It's about time something works.
00:03:20.74
Bill
I know, and yeah, the other thing too, and we can talk about it again, it's this weekend's Founder's Day weekend, not that it matters, but we're recording on a Thursday.
00:03:25.83
Mike
It is. We are.
00:03:28.25
Bill
um I think I'm just gonna, and people will hear it anyhow, I think I'm just gonna release this tomorrow, so it's gonna be a day early.
00:03:34.51
Mike
Ah, hey right.
00:03:34.54
Bill
Everyone gets ah it a Friday treat for us because, Not the fuck with it on on Saturday morning, you know um Not that it's a big deal, but I figure fuck you give us an extra day. It doesn't really fucking it matter But we can talk about founders day. Do you want to hear? The pride story real quick and it's an Instagram thing and then we could get into your reading So I think we might need we might need some good thoughts after this fucking shit So, um, I don't know if you noticed but I I posted the pride the same pride post that I did last year But I don't know if you've been on facebook, you know, okay
00:03:52.68
Mike
Sure. OK. Yeah, I saw that. Yep, I saw it.
00:04:06.80
Bill
So, um, it popped up on a, you know, pop into Facebook and our memories on our sober not mature page from yeah obviously a year ago. And it popped up last night and I'm like, okay, so you know what? I had thought about it, but figured I'd dig for it, but found it.
00:04:20.90
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:04:21.19
Bill
And I'm like, you know what? i I like what was put together. You liked it. Both of us liked the way it was.
00:04:26.68
Mike
Yeah.
00:04:27.97
Bill
And I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna, I'm gonna take the same picture. I'm gonna take the same post. And then the afterthought that I had this morning, I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna post that one thing today and give, today is just for that, you know?
00:04:40.57
Mike
Right.
00:04:40.95
Bill
So I didn't post an episode clip, I didn't post a reading, I didn't post any of my, I didn't post dick things or vibrator memes and post, I know, I didn't post anything.
00:04:47.88
Mike
Well, heck.
00:04:50.99
Bill
I'm like, okay, let's just, we can do this, right? I mean, have a little bit of fucking good respect and give, you know, we're not gonna, you know, for to the month, to the individuals, to the day, if nothing else.
00:04:53.88
Mike
Sure. Yeah.
00:05:00.75
Bill
So um just left it it was it was kind of nice not having a fuck with Instagram today too, but that's a side note um But I go in there. I don't know even what time it was you probably at lunchtime I think and a lot of people are commenting on a couple of people shared it and you know all this different stuff and you know nice things with it It's and that's kind of the community we have and then I see this note
00:05:17.25
Mike
Mmhmm. Mmhmm. Mmhmm.
00:05:24.89
Bill
um It was a basically a response on the post that said unfollowed and I looked at it and because I go through and I like people I like the things that people comment on I actually liked it before I saw it and I'm like unfollowed and then I looked and I'm like, yeah the dude fucking unfollowed us So I usually wouldn't reply to something like that, but I'm like fuck you, you know
00:05:34.53
Mike
Sure. Mmhmm.
00:05:40.43
Mike
Mmhmm.
00:05:43.49
Mike
Mmhmm.
00:05:45.72
Bill
So I just said, if that's why you or if this is why you unfollowed us, that's a good thing, you know, and left it at that.
00:05:52.24
Mike
Right.
00:05:54.05
Bill
And again, same thing throughout the day, a couple of people had, had like, liked the comment or whatever, but it's it's some fucking fucking dude from texas cowboy hat wearing probably goat fucking dude from from texas you know and first of all i we have friends in texas i nothing against you folks you good folks out there our friends you know but then i looked at it and there's like 57
00:06:03.49
Mike
ah Right.
00:06:21.13
Bill
Of our followers that follow him because it shows on instagram your shared followers And i'm like, well, okay, so, you know, not that not that they're supporting the guy.
00:06:25.30
Mike
Okay.
00:06:30.21
Bill
They don't know, you know, but um Of course, my first evil thought was i'm gonna fucking blast this guy out and i'm like, yeah i'm not gonna play with that shit But everyone will figure it out if you got some fucking, you know racist whatever homophobe out there Everyone will figure it out And that was a couple of the comments too.
00:06:31.30
Mike
Right, right.
00:06:36.90
Mike
and since
00:06:47.24
Bill
What one of our followers just said yeah. Hey, bye. Bye homophobe yeah I'm like, I'm like, yeah, that's good. So, so here's the thing. I don't, I don't think, and I'm just gonna call, call it those people, not the LGBTQ plus community. I'm talking about people that are fucking haters.
00:07:04.56
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:07:04.64
Bill
I don't think we have a lot of haters, you know, that are listeners or followers or anything like that.
00:07:09.71
Mike
Observe.
00:07:09.80
Bill
I'm sure there's a few out there. Um, but if, if any of you are haters and you happen to listen to us, you're like, ah, yeah, we're haters, but we think these guys are funny.
00:07:17.23
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:07:19.00
Bill
Um, don't listen.
00:07:20.75
Mike
Right.
00:07:21.08
Bill
I mean, go away.
00:07:21.19
Mike
Please.
00:07:22.25
Bill
Yeah. Don't, don't be a follower. Don't be a listener. There we go again. We're telling people not to listen, but if, if you're hating on people, we want nothing to do with you at all fucking ever, right?
00:07:25.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:07:30.84
Mike
Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Go fuck yourself.
00:07:36.18
Bill
Yeah, exactly. So um if if you if you are a hater, not not normal people, we love all the rest of you guys.
00:07:38.69
Mike
Right.
00:07:42.54
Bill
But if you're a hater, please turn this off. um Unfollow us, get off the Instagram. Don't ever look at us again. We don't want to see you.
00:07:50.88
Mike
Right.
00:07:51.60
Bill
Ever.
00:07:52.38
Mike
Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if you saw my pride month post.
00:07:56.69
Bill
I did.
00:07:57.87
Mike
All right.
00:07:57.97
Bill
But repeat it. Repeat it, though.
00:07:59.01
Mike
All right. Yeah. It's got a rainbow hearts all over it surrounding it. And it says wishing all the homophobes a super uncomfortable month.
00:08:10.23
Bill
Yeah, I saw that when you posted it on Facebook and I thought that's that's fucking fabulous Just this fucking fabulous because you know, I don't know and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go into anything else or justify or whatever But you know what it whatever it is It's just we've talked about it very openly even when we're talking about that saying that Katie brought up ah ah Hate the disease not the addict or whatever it is
00:08:15.65
Mike
Yes, it is.
00:08:30.44
Mike
Mm-hm.
00:08:33.37
Mike
Right, something like that.
00:08:34.39
Bill
And yeah, like you said, you're like, yeah, I don't hate anyone. And I mean, it's clearly that's not what the thing meant to begin with, like, hate, hate.
00:08:40.08
Mike
Mm-hm.
00:08:40.83
Bill
But, um you know, we've talked about not hating people, even when we're like, God, I hate them. Yeah, hate's a strong word.
00:08:47.61
Mike
Right.
00:08:47.73
Bill
Even hating a process or um whatever it is, you know?
00:08:51.13
Mike
Mm-hm.
00:08:52.72
Bill
So we ain't got no time for that. None.
00:08:55.54
Mike
Nope.
00:08:56.99
Bill
or We're too sober for that shit.
00:08:59.49
Mike
Exactly, exactly.
00:09:00.64
Bill
ah
00:09:01.21
Mike
Yeah, I know. My you my company, um they're on Facebook too, right? And, you know, they, beginning of the month, they posted, you know, a happy pride month, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, and of course the creepy, stupid truck drivers all had to, you know, is this necessary? It's just like, you know what? Shut up, man. It's funny because the company just repeated the same answer over and over and over again. We're inclusive. We're, you know, it's just like, God, man, I'm sorry.
00:09:28.02
Bill
Right.
00:09:31.11
Mike
It made you move. And if you're very uncomfortable with it moving, um, you know, which is really the problem.
00:09:38.02
Bill
Right. Right.
00:09:40.66
Mike
The thought of a penis makes you uncomfortable.
00:09:41.25
Bill
and um
00:09:44.25
Mike
I'm making you uncomfortable. I look down and see one every day.
00:09:48.66
Bill
Right, you know, and it's just the, it I don't know, it just like, it's, I have no words for something like that. It just, if the thing of it is, and in like, if somebody wants to unfollow the us, then just unfollow us, you know?
00:10:01.52
Mike
Right.
00:10:02.20
Bill
And why just post it openly? I just don't get it. It's not even like the dude blocked us, you know, so people can see the fuck that he, you know, that he's a fucking hater on top of that, which just blows my mind. But the same thing, like you said, ah your, your company posting like that. So if somebody, I'm not going to even say fine, but if somebody doesn't like it, it is what it is, you know, fuck them.
00:10:21.45
Mike
Right.
00:10:22.24
Bill
But do you have to, what's the point of, of even I, I don't see the point. I don't see the point.
00:10:27.89
Mike
Yeah. I, I know. I know.
00:10:29.84
Bill
You know, there's certain right.
00:10:30.65
Mike
Right. I mean, there's, there's a lot of things that, you know, their point, but yes, right. It's, it's God, you know, it's, it's, it's, you you love who you love and shut the fuck up.
00:10:44.44
Bill
Right, right?
00:10:45.24
Mike
Yeah.
00:10:46.22
Bill
Yeah, and it's, yeah, it just, a I don't know. I figured I'd start off with that, then we could get into our reading, we can cleanse our brains from you know from that goat fucker and then go on with our lives and our podcast.
00:10:57.73
Mike
Yes, exactly.
00:10:59.76
Bill
But anyhow, so um seriously get away from all the bullshit. I know we have individuals from the LGBTQ plus community that listen to us.
00:11:09.79
Mike
h
00:11:09.89
Bill
I have no idea how many don't care.
00:11:12.38
Mike
Right.
00:11:12.56
Bill
You know, everyone who listens is it is what it is, but um it's right.
00:11:13.33
Mike
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, we've got, we've got friends, we've got family, you know, um guess what?
00:11:16.73
Bill
It's pride months, right?
00:11:21.20
Mike
Everyone listening does.
00:11:24.17
Bill
Right, but but the serious thing is, um you know we're we're behind you guys. Pride Month is great, it's wonderful. but i Like I said in the post, and we said in the post, if there's ever anything we can ever help out with, um you know we hope that we're there to do that.
00:11:30.71
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:11:36.64
Bill
Just ah in a general sense, regardless, I don't give a fuck what month it is or who you are.
00:11:37.56
Mike
Right.
00:11:40.81
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:11:41.16
Bill
um That's kind of our deal, right?
00:11:43.00
Mike
Absolutely.
00:11:44.32
Bill
So there, okay, all right.
00:11:45.53
Mike
Yeah.
00:11:45.70
Bill
So enough of that. No, I don't mean enough of that. I mean the goat fucker, not the Pride Month.
00:11:49.12
Mike
a Well, hey, man, you know, if the goats consenting, it's fine.
00:11:50.29
Bill
More of that, less of goat fucking, okay?
00:11:59.46
Bill
yeah Are you a goat fucker? Yep, but it's consensual.
00:12:02.11
Mike
Right.
00:12:02.31
Bill
Eh, okay.
00:12:02.36
Mike
But the goat likes it.
00:12:04.27
Bill
yeah You never know. I mean, how how do we know?
00:12:08.41
Mike
I, well, you know, I do go smile.
00:12:11.20
Bill
I don't know. I'll have to look it up.
00:12:13.25
Mike
so
00:12:13.58
Bill
Note to self, check if goats smile when you fuck them.
00:12:16.08
Mike
Right.
00:12:16.74
Bill
Okay, there we go.
00:12:17.12
Mike
Well, not even, you know, just whatever, you know.
00:12:19.70
Bill
Oh, wait, wait a second. Let me scratch that part out. I thought I had to do, that okay.
00:12:22.62
Mike
Yeah. Right. Right. No, just to go smile, you know, when they're happy.
00:12:25.63
Bill
Okay. I thought you meant like when they were getting laid.
00:12:27.78
Mike
so
00:12:29.43
Bill
I mean, I was...
00:12:30.04
Mike
Cause well, I mean, well, hopefully they're happy when they're getting laid.
00:12:34.25
Bill
Right? Right?
00:12:34.97
Mike
So are they smiling? That's, you know, it's all about being happy, man.
00:12:37.13
Bill
ah Right? ah Agreed. Like you said, content can hill consensual happy goats.
00:12:44.73
Mike
Consent. That's right. I'm all for it.
00:12:48.52
Bill
Right, whatever whatever makes your little quarter of the world better.
00:12:52.14
Mike
That's right.
00:12:54.46
Bill
All right, so on on that note, do you have a reading mic?
00:12:58.62
Mike
Uh, yeah, I mean, I can find one.
00:13:01.90
Bill
yeah but Yeah, so and while while you're finding one, so real quick question, and I thought about it while I was literally, I ate and in like 10 minutes tonight. It seems like an hour, because by the time I was done with work to the time we started recording was an hour. And I you know cooked the i cooked the hamburger patty I was gonna have last night, then all it is is warming shit up. But I mean, I still was felt like I was rushing through, not a big deal, but I ate in i'd probably eight minutes or something like that.
00:13:24.26
Mike
the
00:13:27.41
Mike
Ah, Keating Center.
00:13:28.81
Bill
this. That was my thought and that was my question. I was am I remembering that right that we had a very limited amount of time is just sit down and probably like what 10 minutes and if you're not done they're like you got to get up clean up your food wherever.
00:13:36.24
Mike
Oh yeah.
00:13:41.12
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:13:42.13
Bill
hi
00:13:42.23
Mike
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Mealtime was very, very short. We had, we had things to do.
00:13:48.42
Bill
Yeah.
00:13:49.98
Mike
We had lives to change.
00:13:51.77
Bill
Right. Yeah. And you know meetings to get to and whatever we had to do and then yeah cleaning up the
00:13:54.74
Mike
Right. Well, and we had to clean, bright clean up. Well, you know, yeah, here's your food, eat it.
00:13:58.44
Bill
yeah
00:14:00.28
Mike
Now get moving. Yep.
00:14:02.66
Bill
Right. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to help you sustain life and then you need to get the fuck out now.
00:14:05.99
Mike
sir Yep.
00:14:08.31
Bill
But seriously, when I got, when I got done, I'm like, Oh my God, that was a fucking Keating Center meal.
00:14:08.63
Mike
That's right.
00:14:13.46
Mike
ah
00:14:13.53
Bill
I'm like, Oof.
00:14:15.98
Mike
Yeah. I had one myself this evening. Right.
00:14:18.36
Bill
Yeah. But that man's got to eat. So whatever works.
00:14:21.53
Mike
All right.
00:14:22.95
Bill
All right. You good.
00:14:24.49
Mike
that type of Sure. Why not? Yeah, I flipped open the book. Let's see what we have We'll all find out together. How about October 19th? How about it? Let's see here. Yeah Living well and beautifully and justly are all one thing So crates. Oh, I'm sorry Socrates. I have seen Bill and Ted. All right It is not complicated to live a good life. It is not hard most times to know what is the right thing to do. We can ask ourselves, is this the fair thing? Will it hurt anyone? Would it be okay if others if others do this too? Doing the right thing we reflects good values such as justice, love, peace, and happiness. We know how to ask ourselves these questions
00:15:20.37
Mike
And we know how to answer them honestly. The addict inside our heads does not want us to face these questions. The addict wants us to do the wrong thing so that perhaps our shame will lead us back into addiction. Luckily our friends of recovery help us ask the right questions as long as we are open with them and share all the things that go on in our lives. Our sponsor and our recovery friends help us live well, beautifully and justly. Prayer for the day, higher power. Thank you for the gift of friends who helped me live my new sober life in a good way. Help me to be a good friend to others too and help them live well. Today's action. Oh, those pesky actions.
00:16:11.51
Mike
Today I will list three times I have talked with recovery friends about a choice I faced. Did they help me choose an action that fit with beauty and justice? When have I helped others think about the choices they face in their own lives? Was this helpful to me too?
00:16:32.19
Bill
Well, so that the end part, um and again, i I kind of like to start with the end part first, because it and kind of gets me thinking, but, um you know, and what did it say list three times?
00:16:37.78
Mike
and All right.
00:16:42.72
Bill
I mean, it always says, you know, a certain number of things or whatever, but um let's just say countless times, right?
00:16:44.85
Mike
Right? ya Yeah, Mm hmm.
00:16:48.29
Bill
that and That's that we sat down and either talked to somebody or actually helped somebody make a choice, right?
00:16:54.72
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, lots of times.
00:16:57.57
Bill
Right, yeah, I mean, again, countless. But um but I mean, that's the whole that's the whole, let's call it the crux of this thing that we do, is that we're supposed to ask questions, we're supposed to go to other people.
00:17:00.49
Mike
Right.
00:17:05.47
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:17:10.95
Bill
And I mean, I've been completely open. on here that you know there's there's two people in my life that I go to all the time if I have questions about life.
00:17:18.43
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
00:17:20.49
Bill
One is on the podcast with me, my my friend and and brother yeah and podcast fellow, Jay Mike over there, and then Kathy, you know our our sister.
00:17:22.38
Mike
Either.
00:17:26.80
Mike
Yes.
00:17:29.62
Mike
Hmm. Right. Right.
00:17:32.19
Bill
And usually it's for, and sometimes it's two separate things. you know There's things I talk to her about that i I don't necessarily talk to you about, although not that I wouldn't, and vice versa, but sometimes there was two stages to it.
00:17:37.19
Mike
Right.
00:17:41.16
Mike
right Right.
00:17:45.97
Bill
It's like, okay, I get your input on this and her input put on that, or both, you know because i because I trust you guys.
00:17:48.71
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:17:52.32
Bill
And you know a lot of times, even if I, rare very rarely do i do I not like the answer, I can't say that.
00:17:59.76
Mike
a Right.
00:18:00.22
Bill
um But usually i I know what the answer is, but um a lot of times I just, I need that, and I'll just call it validation that am I fucking nuts? Am I on the right path? Or if my path is is a little bit dusty or or mangy, can you help me clean it up to show me the right way?
00:18:19.33
Mike
Right.
00:18:19.55
Bill
um I mean, I think that's a good way to put it, right?
00:18:21.87
Mike
Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, you know, prior to living this lifestyle, if you will, um, you know, our decisions were shit, man, you know, the choices we made and, and the rationalization in our own heads. Cause once again, as addicts and, and, and alcoholics, I mean, we can rationalize and justify anything. So we need that outside input, even if we, you know we think we're on the right track of whatever it is we think we know the answer we need to check and make sure we're not fucking again rationalizing and justifying because that's what we do you know we we need that outside that's that's the whole point of the fellowship of the program you know is having other people
00:19:00.08
Bill
Right.
00:19:07.58
Mike
Cosine or bullshit or you know Or you know conversely right, you know say no man, you're fucking out of your mind. You're absolutely wrong You're you're guess what? You're thinking is wrong. Um Right, you know again, we've been doing this for a minute and you know, we've had a little practice with this doing the right thing that you know you know Is it going to hurt anybody?
00:19:21.10
Bill
Right.
00:19:30.98
Mike
is it Is it right? Is it pure? Is it loving? Is it unselfish? All that you know the absolutes running through all those filters. We do that today. But again, being addicts and alcoholics, we can I can justify shit. i can I can say, well, of course it's unselfish. Of course it's loving. of you know Right, right. Because I'm full of shit.
00:19:54.53
Bill
Right.
00:19:54.54
Mike
Still am. You know, um, right so we need the other person or other people to Check our shit man. Make sure we are on that right path, you know clean that dust off as you said Hmm
00:20:09.18
Bill
And it is, it's it's comforting, um I mean, quite honestly, if nothing else, it's it's comforting not to be in this thing, whatever whatever this thing is, whether it's sobriety, life, um a relationship or relationships, anything like that, it's it's comforting not to be in this shit alone.
00:20:19.97
Mike
Hmm
00:20:28.36
Bill
you know And its it's comforting realizing that, okay, you don't have to figure all this shit out on your own, whereas I know that I thought that I did before, because I didn't,
00:20:28.54
Mike
Great.
00:20:34.18
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:20:38.11
Bill
either i didn't um i didn't trust anyone because i deep down i wasn't trustworthy myself so i trust somebody else you know and but on top of that i you know i knew what i was doing was wrong if nothing else if i didn't openly know it i fucking knew it you know i'm not a even when i was you know completely drunk and completely delusional and in all those fucking things i i'm not i wasn't blind you know
00:20:42.99
Mike
Exactly.
00:20:48.74
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:21:02.37
Mike
Right.
00:21:03.10
Bill
I mean, granted, I couldn't I couldn't well, not even that I couldn't see it.
00:21:05.22
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:21:07.26
Bill
I'm sure you're this whole alcoholism thing or drug addiction thing, you know, block certain parts of our brain. I think it's the denial. ah We're not that bad because this thing wants to kill us and all those different things.
00:21:17.20
Mike
Right.
00:21:18.11
Bill
And we we justify because like you always say it makes us feel good or we're trying to get well or whatever the case is, you know, but deep down, you know, we're, we're rational people.
00:21:22.08
Mike
Uh huh.
00:21:25.64
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:21:27.85
Bill
you know, and we know what's right or wrong. But these days, it's just great. Not just not having to go through life alone and make all these fucking decisions. Life could be a motherfucker sometimes, you know, and reminded me of fucking he ha.
00:21:37.27
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:21:43.38
Bill
Does anyone know what he is? help
00:21:45.15
Mike
You know, a few people.
00:21:46.50
Bill
There goes our four younger listeners.
00:21:48.88
Mike
That's right.
00:21:50.31
Bill
but um But yeah, it's just one of those things that, man, I mean, it just, I don't know, it's it's great to have um other people. That's really what it comes down to, I think.
00:21:59.78
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:00.75
Bill
you um
00:22:01.79
Mike
Well, and I mean, and, and like the reading said, you know, you were talking about, you know, deep down, we knew that what we were doing wasn't right. Well, yeah, that's part of the the cycle of addiction. Yeah. Deep down. We know what we're doing is wrong. Therefore we're, we have that shame and we have to get loaded to cover up that shame. And it's that, that wonderful, lovely cycle of, ah you know, I'm shameful. I get loaded. I fuck up. I'm shameful. I get loaded. I fuck up. I'm shameful. I like, right. Over and over I gotta get loaded cuz I'm all full of shame and guilt blah blah blah cuz I was doing the wrong fucking thing Yeah, exactly.
00:22:36.92
Bill
Right.
00:22:38.72
Mike
Yeah, and we don't have to live like that today Right, oh, yeah yeah exactly Of course
00:22:39.02
Bill
Yeah.
00:22:41.82
Bill
Right. And even in that, even in that fucked up cycle, you throw in a, you know, a few days here and there where it's like, I'm happy. got I got fucked up. Oops. Now I'm shameful again.
00:22:52.02
Bill
yeah So can you hear the dogs in the background? I'm just like, Kathy must be out walking, walking Moxie, hang on, hang on one second. Talk talks amongst yourself for literally like four seconds. Okay.
00:23:03.24
Mike
he All right. Well, I think Bill's going to go check on the dogs. Clearly he's back at Kathy's this week. Um, and you know what? They're both going to be here tomorrow. So when you're listening to this thing, uh, Kathy and Bill will be in Cleveland.
00:23:19.94
Bill
Yes, yeah, and all all I did was yeah, i' I'm a Kathy's I got back on what fucking date I get back Saturday. Yeah. um I literally were from where my desk is set up.
00:23:26.40
Mike
Sure.
00:23:29.24
Bill
I could just open the door mute yell shut up.
00:23:33.42
Mike
Hahaha.
00:23:34.05
Bill
and And they did, you know, they they're actually, hurt her dogs, I mean, we've said it before, the big German Shepherd, that's Moxie, for the most part, she'll get going, but she's pretty good, but Katniss and Tugger, the Shih Tzus, and again, they're loving dogs, they're wonderful, they're great.
00:23:35.42
Mike
Yup.
00:23:40.72
Mike
okay
00:23:48.32
Mike
The dust mops.
00:23:49.44
Bill
Yeah, they're dust mops, you know, look like, you know, little dust mops, but um cute as fuck, but they can, when they get bark and it's something, especially Tugger, you know, he's got this, he's little, but he's got this boldness about him, he's like, I'm gonna fucking bark, you know?
00:23:59.51
Mike
from
00:24:02.32
Mike
The Napoleon complex.
00:24:04.05
Bill
yeah And he won't shut the fuck up. He just won't, you know? And then, but he listens, you know, that's all I do. I yelled out, shut up or knock it off. And they're like, okay, sorry, man.
00:24:14.47
Mike
a a a Right.
00:24:15.67
Bill
Chill out. yeah Chill the fuck out, dude. Try to record a fucking podcast. Bob, try to record a podcast.
00:24:22.80
Mike
Yeah.
00:24:25.83
Bill
but um But yeah, I mean it is, it it is he it's so it's so helpful and comforting and um and it does, it just makes life, life is not always easy but I mean clearly having other people and um just in general not having to do any part of this thing alone is I guess is kind of the point, right?
00:24:37.10
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. yeah Well, it brings up the old cliche. A problem shared is a problem cut in half.
00:24:49.77
Bill
Right. You know, what's funny is that I think the first time, and I know I heard that Cleveland, I didn't hear it like right away, like that in the first couple of weeks. I don't think, but then I remember when I first heard somebody say that, I could almost envision it.
00:24:58.26
Mike
Right.
00:25:04.21
Bill
It's like this cloudy vision of being in a meeting and somebody saying, I'm like, I'm like, huh, well, no shit.
00:25:07.84
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:25:10.85
Bill
You know, and it just, the same thing as, you know, like noticing different parts of the the steps or somebody saying something or fucking you saying something, you know, I'm fucking 12 years sober, you know, two years ago and you're like, say something like, oh, well, okay.
00:25:11.70
Mike
All right.
00:25:23.96
Bill
I get it now.
00:25:24.69
Mike
teachinging things
00:25:25.31
Bill
Jesus Christ. What the fuck were you doing for the last 12 years? I don't know.
00:25:28.26
Mike
ah well yeah yeah Moving towards that, moving towards that moment where you have finally figured something out.
00:25:28.97
Bill
yeah Continuous.
00:25:36.02
Bill
Right. But, um, yeah, first of all, every time I read that reading, um, I do the same thing. I say, so creates every time I see, um, I never say Socrates ever.
00:25:46.03
Mike
ah
00:25:48.88
Bill
I just, every, every fucking time since when did Bill and Ted's when did Bill and Ted's movie come out 20, 30 years ago, 25 years ago?
00:25:49.10
Mike
Right. So creates.
00:25:56.92
Mike
Oh, oh yeah. he' Well, yeah, late eighties.
00:25:59.96
Bill
Right. Yeah. And so, so literally for the last, let's call it 25 years or the fuck 30 years, I guess.
00:26:00.80
Mike
Nope.
00:26:05.54
Mike
A half.
00:26:06.53
Bill
Um, I think I've said so great.
00:26:08.60
Mike
30 plus years.
00:26:09.90
Bill
Yeah. Oh God. Yeah.
00:26:11.68
Mike
1990 was 34 years ago.
00:26:11.93
Bill
Isn't it?
00:26:14.44
Bill
Oh my God. So 80. Wow. That's, isn't that fucked up? Jesus Christ.
00:26:20.52
Mike
I know.
00:26:21.42
Bill
Yeah.
00:26:21.73
Mike
Right. i know I mean, I never think about it that way, but yes, 1990 was 34 years ago.
00:26:27.57
Bill
Well, and um I think what maybe I saw on Facebook recently, and I'm not gonna go because I don't give a fuck about people from high school, but yeah, so by um my would be coming up in two years. 40 years being out of fucking high school, that's fucking crazy.
00:26:44.59
Mike
Right now.
00:26:48.30
Mike
yeah Talk about freedom for her Fuck no, I Didn't like most of them when I was there.
00:26:50.08
Bill
Yeah, really, but I mean, yeah it's it's a good thing. I mean, I'm not going to hang out with all those old people, ah but seriously, no, I have. yeah
00:27:00.26
Mike
Why would I want to go back now?
00:27:02.26
Bill
Well, and I.
00:27:02.28
Mike
and They sure as hell didn't like me.
00:27:04.46
Bill
And I kept, I even, that one person, there's one person that I, um I'm sorry, two, and she was a a great ahead of me, but there's one other person that I think I told you is sober. She's ordered coffee from us and stuff like that.
00:27:17.03
Mike
I
00:27:18.06
Bill
And we're friends on Facebook and she follows at us on Instagram and we'll chat every once in a while.
00:27:18.37
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:27:24.68
Bill
Not a lot, but I mean, I'll keep in touch with her.
00:27:25.57
Mike
Right.
00:27:26.70
Bill
And there were a couple of people over the years. I mean, since, you know, the people that know that, um well, now everyone does if they, if they paid attention because I posted
00:27:31.33
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:27:35.26
Bill
um A couple other people, maybe three, four, you know, but I don't know if I can deal with anyone from high school. I just don't know desire.
00:27:41.16
Mike
Right. You know, I mean, yeah on Facebook, that's what fucking Facebook is for. You know, I mean, yeah, there are, there's probably, I don't know, maybe a couple dozen, you know, but yeah, that's it, man.
00:27:53.74
Bill
Right.
00:27:55.34
Mike
You know, it's, hey, what's up? Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Glad you're doing okay. I'm doing okay too. Moving on.
00:28:03.93
Bill
Hey, good good to see you.
00:28:05.42
Mike
Yeah. Glad you're still breathing. Me too.
00:28:07.40
Bill
Yeah, exactly. So um other things that I wrote down to begin with was or not hard to know the right thing to do, good values, want to do the wrong thing. I'll get back to that and then help us live well. but So the ah first part of that reading, and I forget how it was worded, but somewhere along the lines of it's really not that hard to know the right thing to do, but you know it's kind of what we're talking about that you know in active addiction, it is it's really difficult.
00:28:33.88
Mike
listen
00:28:39.87
Bill
um Maybe it's not difficult, I don't know, is it difficult to to know or just to do because we don't give a fuck? What do you think?
00:28:47.67
Mike
Um, again, uh, probably all of the above. Yeah. You know, we don't give a fuck and, um, and again, it, it feeds the disease, you know, if it helps with the, I have an excuse to get loaded because I feel like shit because I did the wrong thing.
00:28:51.71
Bill
right
00:29:04.56
Bill
Right right.
00:29:06.00
Mike
Yeah.
00:29:07.82
Bill
But then I mean that kind of leads into leads into good values which I think is something that I mean I know that I was I mean I was raised on well you know mom I mean she she had she had good value she was a she was a decent person I mean she wasn't always you know straight and narrow and everything but um
00:29:17.39
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Absolutely.
00:29:24.55
Mike
No.
00:29:26.36
Bill
She's a good person, taught us good values the whole bit.
00:29:28.15
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:29:29.06
Bill
um But I mean, those those bend and and they tend to break after a while, especially in you know the the more fucked up we get. It just, you know that goes back to the same thing, not caring, right? You lose those values and um I don't know.
00:29:38.96
Mike
Yep.
00:29:41.10
Bill
I mean, get a little bit of sobriety under your belt. And that's one of the first things they teach us is how to how to be and how to live live as better people, right?
00:29:49.38
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah. You know, and yeah, we, and again, it comes back to the, the rationalizing and the justifying our behaviors, you know, um, I mean, I certainly thought I was, you know, a halfway decent person and and I, I was doing, them I was doing the right things and, you know, cause everybody else is fucked up and wrong. And so, you know, if they just do things my way, then, um, things would be wonderful. Right. By the way is the right fucking way. Don't you understand asshole?
00:30:20.03
Bill
Yeah, and that's the and that's that's a story in the big book. you know For anyone who's never read it, not that I'm going to have you go out and search for the the chapter, but it talks about that.
00:30:27.01
Mike
Right.
00:30:28.00
Bill
be in the but Organizing the player, being in the or the director.
00:30:31.41
Mike
Yeah. Being the director.
00:30:33.22
Bill
There you go. I'm like, wow why can't I think of the word?
00:30:34.40
Mike
Yep.
00:30:35.02
Bill
you know if if everyone and that's That's exactly what that whole that whole piece is about. It's just if everyone would just do what I say, act as I act as I want them to be, everything would be fine, which is complete horseshit.
00:30:40.46
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:30:47.76
Bill
I mean, we know that now, but.
00:30:48.10
Mike
Well, yeah, it's insane. Right.
00:30:51.24
Bill
Yeah, it well, two things, it's never going to happen. But even if it did, there's still going to be something you're going to bitch about.
00:30:53.60
Mike
Right.
00:30:56.35
Bill
You know, I mean, all of us will.
00:30:56.93
Mike
Oh God, yes. Right. Yeah. You're doing what I told you to do. What the fuck's wrong with you?
00:31:03.54
Bill
Yeah, but you're still doing it wrong.
00:31:05.47
Mike
Well, of course you're doing it wrong and you're doing it exactly the way I told you to do it. And and why? All right.
00:31:11.76
Bill
right you
00:31:11.92
Mike
I'm ah um' um' a complete fucking lunatic, man. Why are you doing what I told you to do? What's wrong with you?
00:31:18.10
Bill
fucking idiot
00:31:19.06
Mike
Exactly.
00:31:21.98
Bill
And then towards the end, and i again, I don't remember where what part I write down these little things, but I just put help us live well, but but I think that's just a culmination of everything that was in that reading that um you know we learned too, and everything that we that we learn we do obviously obviously helps us to to live well and and live a better life.
00:31:31.88
Mike
Right.
00:31:38.34
Bill
But um the thing that I left for the end, and I'm gonna put a big circle around this one, want to do the wrong thing.
00:31:38.91
Mike
right Right.
00:31:46.02
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:31:47.29
Bill
So Mike, How do you feel about that? How many times per day would you rather do the wrong fucking thing?
00:31:50.87
Mike
Hmm.
00:31:53.66
Mike
Yeah, hundreds.
00:31:56.57
Bill
Yeah, exactly.
00:31:57.64
Mike
yeah Right. Of course. Yeah, I would love to. Yeah, but no, no, I don't. And, and quite frankly, no, I wouldn't want to. Yes, I have the thoughts and yes, but no, I also understand today that, um, you know, choices and consequences, man. And I don't want to live with the ramifications of doing the wrong thing today. I want to do the right thing because I want those ramifications. Damn it.
00:32:24.56
Bill
Right, yeah, and it's ah it is, it's still, there there are, God, i and I can't think of a one right off the top of my head, but it could be anything, it could be fucking anything, I could be anywhere, be in a car in the grocery store, on the phone with somebody, I could be working, I could be with a friend, I could be anywhere, it doesn't matter that, but yeah, doing the wrong thing sometimes, it it feels like the easier choice, it isn't, you know, because they're, you know, ramification, I mean, there's gonna be some sort of fucking blowback from all of this stuff sooner or later, but,
00:32:33.55
Mike
Yeah.
00:32:44.62
Mike
the
00:32:53.09
Bill
um Yeah, it's just that that that instinct that that initial thing, what do you always say 40 years we lived a certain way and then, you know, we're, again, quote unquote, only, which is true, you know, 14 years into living or trying to live a better life, you know, those, those old ways don't just fucking disappear, you know,
00:32:57.92
Mike
ah Yeah. yeah
00:33:03.80
Mike
it
00:33:06.95
Mike
Right.
00:33:10.68
Mike
No, they don't. Absolutely not. No. So, you know, so we do the right thing. Cause again, in the long run, being selfish and self-centered and wanting to feel good all the time. Um, it is, it does. It it feels better and in the rewards, you know, that's, that's what it is, man. I get the rewards of doing the right thing, even when I don't want to, because I know. that there is a ah reward at the end of it. Yeah.
00:33:38.40
Bill
Right.
00:33:38.44
Mike
Cause I'm, I'm still, again, selfish and want to feel good. Yes. So, yeah you know, and maybe it is a little bit harder, but in the end it's really not.
00:33:50.12
Bill
Right. Yeah, the you know, we we say it all the time. And I know we were talking about it more. I can't remember in what context than last week's episode. But you know, what seems to be the easier, softer way isn't and you know, what takes a little bit of work, a little bit of effort just to get in your groove.
00:34:04.40
Mike
Yep.
00:34:05.41
Bill
you know that this thing that we do now that this way of life and i'm not talking just sobriety but everything that goes along with it um which is you know obviously because of the fact that we we're so worried we're taught and we learned and all that stuff um that surprisingly enough turns out to be the easier softer way
00:34:11.07
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:34:20.18
Mike
Hmm. It does.
00:34:23.06
Bill
yeah
00:34:23.81
Mike
Damn it.
00:34:25.19
Bill
ah You know, it's funny too. and It just made me think about it. We were talking about all this stuff about how we used to be. So I had a dinner with ah with a friend of mine um recently and just kind of telling stories in these backstories and all that stuff and telling her some of the some of the ways that i that I used to be and how I act and especially being, you know, like, again, I always talk about that.
00:34:42.11
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:34:45.03
Bill
I'm egotistical, but I was narcissistic and a lot of the stories we talk about on here, and And she looked at me and she's like, don't don't take offense to this at all. And I'm like, I'm sure I won't.
00:34:55.01
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:34:55.29
Bill
But she said, I can see all of that you.
00:35:00.22
Mike
Nice.
00:35:00.44
Bill
And I and i said i said, good. I said, you know because I'm still me.
00:35:04.61
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:35:05.88
Bill
you know And in the fact that you could see, because I mean, um my my personality and in outgoing in this, this you know clearly I fuck around a lot. There's that egotistical part of me. and
00:35:17.68
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:35:18.05
Bill
um All those different things. I mean everything that I haven't changed, you know in the the core of me um But the shit that comes out of me now is positive rather than negative.
00:35:23.54
Mike
Right.
00:35:28.42
Bill
It doesn't take much You know, it's a couple of words.
00:35:28.53
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:35:31.29
Bill
It's a couple of phrases and a couple of actions with with how I act on a daily basis You know that just would make me an extreme asshole dick and a motherfucker versus you know less of that which is who I am today is less of that but
00:35:32.66
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:35:45.68
Mike
Right.
00:35:46.72
Bill
then the other thing she said because i laughed and i said i actually said thank you and then ah she goes one of the reasons i could see it she's like because i'm i'm the same exact way tell and i'm like oh yeah you see that and i i said that happens to me ah i said mike and i talk about that all the time the things that we either um despise or pick out in somebody else or nine times out of ten are usually things that are within us you can't pull shithole shitter you know
00:35:50.00
Mike
Mhm. Uh-huh.
00:36:03.14
Mike
Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Right.
00:36:09.92
Bill
you know that that sort of thing but it it just made me laugh i i don't i'm sure well i mean probably you you know have said ah that you could you could imagine you know how i how i used to be type of thing just we we know each other very well but
00:36:19.14
Mike
Sure.
00:36:21.93
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:36:22.47
Bill
I don't think I've had many people say something like that to me or pick up on things like that. And I thought it fucking made me laugh. And I'm like, first of all, I didn't take offense to it. I'm like, that's fucking awesome.
00:36:32.27
Mike
Right. listen Right.
00:36:33.39
Bill
Because that that means that you can, again, that's somebody that's actually paying attention, you know? And not just looking at the surface of somebody going, I see this, that nasty ass motherfucker in there.
00:36:43.91
Mike
this Right.
00:36:43.98
Bill
I see what you're doing with him now. And that's cool. You know, which I looked at it like, yeah, thank you. That's a compliment.
00:36:50.97
Mike
Hey. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, right. And it also shows that we're living honestly and and and not trying to hide who we are.
00:36:59.84
Bill
Right.
00:37:00.56
Mike
Right. Yeah. This is me. You know, yes, said I am. I am working on it. and Yes, I am. You know, it is a ah a bit of a struggle sometimes, but yeah, you know, but the the long and short of it is I'm a pretty, you know, um I'm doing the next right thing and that's all that fucking matters.
00:37:20.86
Bill
Right, yeah, ill I'll take a line from planes, trains and automobiles. I like me, my customers like me.
00:37:27.66
Mike
Bright.
00:37:31.25
Bill
You know, and I don't know how many times I talked about that, but it it is, it's it's down to the point where, yeah, I mean, like I think everyone still has, I still have those things and isms where, you know, you compare yourself to other people or maybe you want to change some things here or there, whether it's physically or I want to act differently, whatever the case may be, but you know, really when it comes down to it, Any changes I would have to make with with myself. I mean if there if there's anything it's so minimal because I am I'm truly Happy with who I am as an individual where I'm at my life.
00:37:57.95
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.
00:38:03.25
Bill
Um, once again, we've talked about this before, you know I don't have all the all the toys.
00:38:06.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:38:07.07
Bill
I don't have all the shit. I sure as fuck I don't have all the money and
00:38:10.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:38:11.26
Bill
You know, but um You said the same thing, you know, I'd like i'd like a couple of more dollars or a couple more nice things I think we're talking about it.
00:38:15.43
Mike
Aha.
00:38:19.67
Bill
But you know what in general though once again fucking freedom freedom just to be able to say ah I'm alright with myself, you know, I lay my head down at night and I'm pretty cool with it, you know
00:38:24.06
Mike
Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. you know And, and I love it when, you know, if somebody has a problem with me today, um, generally it's like, you know what, that's your fucking problem, dude. Cause you know, moving along, moving along, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.
00:38:42.44
Bill
right
00:38:46.54
Bill
right and usually
00:38:49.11
Mike
and And I'm certainly not going to try to be what you want because you're fucking trying to be the director. and Hey, guess what? I don't take fucking direction very well.
00:39:00.33
Bill
But, you know, the beautiful part is usually that the things that people, if there are people out there that don't like things about us, and I mean, I'm not saying all this shit because we're far from perfect, but, you know, when I've run across things, if if somebody doesn't like me or something I'm doing, usually it's, I mean, I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just being me, and you're right, it's somebody nitpicking at something that maybe they're unhappy with or whatever, like, well, I don't like you because of that, really?
00:39:09.91
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:39:24.74
Bill
You know, I'm i'm over here living living my best life
00:39:27.85
Mike
That's right.
00:39:29.20
Bill
but um But no, seriously, we're out you we're just over here doing our thing. and if People don't like it. Like you said, fuck them.
00:39:33.05
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:39:34.80
Bill
Fuck you.
00:39:36.18
Mike
Yep.
00:39:37.61
Bill
All right, so that's a nice way to wrap up a nice reading with a fuck you, but wouldn't wouldn't be the first time, right?
00:39:42.35
Mike
Yeah.
00:39:43.89
Bill
yeah So anything else ah in that reading?
00:39:43.91
Mike
Right. Absolutely not.
00:39:47.69
Bill
I mean, I liked it. That was a good one for just, again, just picking out a random one.
00:39:49.45
Mike
Yeah.
00:39:51.24
Bill
Plus, I thought i thought it played in really well with our with our hater conversation.
00:39:54.37
Mike
Yeah, it did. Yeah, I know.
00:39:55.16
Bill
misha
00:39:55.43
Mike
When I started, when I started reading it, I was like, oh wow, this works. Hey, look at that. Power's greater than ourselves.
00:40:02.10
Bill
Yeah, and that that is that is fucking weird. Again, that the whole thing that you and I, again, an atheist and and at best an agnostic over here, and we just had the universe step in with a great reading that kind of complimented or when you want to say compliment, it kind of beat the fuck out of that conversation.
00:40:09.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:40:13.66
Mike
That's right.
00:40:19.21
Bill
So I like it.
00:40:19.70
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yes. And you know what? I do want to read ah the so creates quote again, because I really like it.
00:40:26.16
Bill
Okay.
00:40:26.27
Mike
Yes. Living well and beautifully and justly are all one thing.
00:40:33.66
Bill
nice. That is nice. Yeah, very, very nice. Thank you. So crates.
00:40:38.95
Mike
Yes.
00:40:40.67
Bill
But on but on that note, what do you think? Are we we about there? We're already 40 minutes in. What do you think about that?
00:40:45.61
Mike
Wow.
00:40:45.70
Bill
hu
00:40:45.97
Mike
Yeah. Well, I think, uh, I think it's about time for us to shut our mouths for a moment and have a word from our sponsor.
00:41:01.31
Bill
All right, everyone, welcome back. And yeah, time fucking flies when you're having fun and bitching about goat fuckers and then having nice readings and...
00:41:06.32
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:41:11.33
Mike
Man, stop putting down goat fuckers.
00:41:11.72
Bill
Oh, oh but by the way, hang on, hang on.
00:41:20.58
Bill
We got our, seriously, our our search results, and I know where it comes from now. um i Where was it?
00:41:24.60
Mike
Well,
00:41:27.18
Bill
It was the fucking mature pissing again. We're at the search results.
00:41:29.37
Mike
ah, ah, nice.
00:41:31.08
Bill
Uh hang on here. Okay, so top growing queries. Okay, matures with an S pissing mature pissing with only one S.
00:41:36.70
Mike
Ah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:41:42.65
Bill
So people that are out there looking for can't even fucking spell. and then every mature dot com so- people were looking for oh mature dot com also mature piss and mature pissing still. So what it is in whatever episode that was that our piss drawers or whatever the case was that's that's what did it.
00:41:54.91
Mike
Nice.
00:42:00.29
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah. from
00:42:03.42
Bill
But so it's it's more the it's more the episode title because I did that after shortly after that, i I looked at some of the transcripts and just tried to pick out like keywords in there just to see if I could get a, or did a search on that it would if it would pop up, and it didn't. i and Who knows? i mean Maybe sooner or later it will. So yeah, if I keep saying those other two words, we're going to get they get these these people that are out there looking for animal fun.
00:42:31.06
Mike
Nice. but Okay. All right. Well, all right. Just don't use it as a pejorative because there's not a damn thing wrong with it. If the goat likes it.
00:42:41.20
Bill
Okay, but i then I won't, I'll stop that. Whoever that guy is, I'll just call him a dickhead, how's that, is that better?
00:42:45.93
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:42:47.67
Bill
Okay.
00:42:47.79
Mike
Don't give them, don't give them right. Don't elevate them by calling them a goat fucker.
00:42:54.48
Bill
Right, okay, that's fair, that's fair. All right, so um yeah, we did the, just kind of making a note here. We talked about the Pride Pose, talked about that. Oh, so how about some how about some music news? What do you think?
00:43:07.91
Mike
All right, let's do it.
00:43:08.98
Bill
Okay, so the members of the band ABBA were knighted in Sweden.
00:43:15.64
Mike
Okay.
00:43:17.55
Bill
That's all I got. I just wanted to read that to see what your reaction was.
00:43:19.31
Mike
who so Okay. Um, yeah I mean, aren't two of them women and isn't that like some sort of other thing that they do to them, make them ladies or something, or I don't know.
00:43:31.99
Bill
I don't know, I don't know.
00:43:32.85
Mike
I don't know how it works in Sweden.
00:43:35.21
Bill
I have no idea, it was just it was a news story and I looked it up and yeah, it said just, yeah, the members of of the band ABBA were knighted in Sweden. And I'm just like, I'm like, hey, you know, we we actually have a presence in in our list of countries. It's obviously US s first, I think the UK or Canada's second.
00:43:49.43
Mike
Right.
00:43:51.51
Bill
And then in the in the long list of, you know, like less than 1% of our listeners, Sweden is like number one or two
00:43:51.60
Mike
right
00:43:58.85
Bill
on on our list. you knowt you know Clearly, it's not alphabetical, so we do have some listeners in Sweden.
00:44:00.34
Mike
Oh, all right.
00:44:06.06
Bill
um which I didn't know until I wrote that down because I looked real quick, but so I literally just read that off because I just wanted to see what you said.
00:44:15.41
Mike
i All right.
00:44:15.90
Bill
You're like, all right.
00:44:18.16
Mike
Yeah. Good for them.
00:44:19.98
Bill
All right, exactly. Okay, so one more thing of music news. And this is a Mark Marin thing.
00:44:25.66
Mike
Okay.
00:44:25.85
Bill
When I was coming back from, where the fuck was I last time? Oh yeah, Branson. I listened to, and this is from a while ago. He had Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day one.
00:44:36.41
Mike
Ah, I listened to that one. Yeah No,
00:44:38.52
Bill
Okay, so this is like two years ago, I think. I just, I just, wasn't it?
00:44:41.47
Mike
it wasn't that long ago now now it's within the last few months Yeah, it was like four months ago.
00:44:43.63
Bill
Okay.
00:44:45.95
Bill
What but was it okay i
00:44:47.95
Mike
Maybe at the most yeah Yeah, it does two a week right yeah Mondays and Thursdays so
00:44:49.41
Bill
You know, I keep I keep forgetting he does what two episodes a week or something like that. Okay. So that's probably you know, because what I did was I was just driving along and I just kind of reached over and I spun and kind of spun it up.
00:45:00.58
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:45:02.39
Bill
And then look on my Oh, you know, so I grabbed that. So first of all, as I always ask you, because I don't think we ever talked about Green Day, um your your opinion or what about Green Day?
00:45:09.22
Mike
Uh huh.
00:45:12.39
Bill
What do you what your was your thought pattern?
00:45:14.47
Mike
All right. Yeah, you know, um they're they're fine. They're not fantastic and they certainly don't suck. Yeah, they're OK. You know, um you know, yeah.
00:45:23.75
Bill
yeah
00:45:27.16
Bill
yeah
00:45:27.20
Mike
I liked, uh, what was it Nimrod better than Dookie, but yeah, they're, they're fine.
00:45:32.84
Bill
Yeah, and that and you know talk about, you know what were we talking about, 30 and 40 years?
00:45:37.33
Mike
Hmm.
00:45:37.65
Bill
It's whenever the he was talking about the 30-year anniversary, which i I'm sure I knew it when they did the tour. That might've been last summer or the summer before. Well, they they were there the night before at the Harley Reunion when we were there.
00:45:49.12
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:45:50.51
Bill
They were the headliner, like the Foo Fighters were Saturday, they were Friday.
00:45:50.68
Mike
Right.
00:45:53.11
Mike
Yep.
00:45:53.83
Bill
um But I think that that was their anniversary tour at Dukie for 30 years, um I think, if I could be wrong on that.
00:46:01.41
Mike
Yeah.
00:46:01.98
Bill
So a couple of things with with that. First of all, i don't God, I don't remember knowing that he was sober. Did you did you know that before you listened? or
00:46:11.02
Mike
Um, yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure I knew it. Yeah. You know, I mean, I know it's not real huge open about it, but yeah, you know, yeah.
00:46:21.97
Bill
And it was, I guess, um, cause I was trying to get the timeframe on there cause he talked about original was 2012 and then he went back out in 2017 and he never really said how long he was back out.
00:46:30.51
Mike
Hmm.
00:46:32.81
Bill
But I, when I looked it up, it looked like it was 2019 ish, I think that he came back or got sobered up again.
00:46:38.85
Mike
Night.
00:46:40.22
Bill
So again, not that it you know really matters, but I, I, I just didn't remember, or I don't know if I knew.
00:46:43.59
Mike
Uh huh.
00:46:46.29
Bill
but the other thing too so at the beginning of the podcast mark said he goes i had to kind of take a jump in a leap and it sounded like to me. That that he was gonna have um he let into it least i was thinking it was gonna be a tough interview like he was i whatever the thing was now to begin with um he was.
00:46:59.35
Mike
Uh huh.
00:47:05.24
Bill
It seemed like Billy Joe was a little hard to to kind of draw out type of thing.
00:47:09.61
Mike
Right.
00:47:09.96
Bill
He was giving very, you know, like that one word answers, right.
00:47:13.45
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:47:13.53
Bill
Yes, no, this, that, and maybe that's what Mark was talking about.
00:47:14.54
Mike
Right.
00:47:17.44
Bill
But I don't know what part that he like had to take some leap to get him to pull out.
00:47:17.43
Mike
Sure.
00:47:22.60
Bill
He just, he just started talking. They started opening up and I think he loosened up. He was probably, I don't know, maybe he's not a, not a talker, you know, he's not a podcast guy.
00:47:29.95
Mike
Yeah, right.
00:47:30.16
Bill
um but I don't know I just thought in general it was good and I don't want to say grew up with them and I was in my you know obviously in my 20s you know when I listened to them I enjoyed Green Day there was a time when they that's they played a lot of Green Day on the radio station I listened to and I had I know I had a couple of their cassettes
00:47:44.43
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:47:48.63
Bill
Um, and I did, I mean, I enjoyed them to this day, you know, as they pop, pop up on Spotify or something like that. I mean, I enjoy their music. Like you said, it's not one that I, they're not my, they're certainly not on the top of my list, but not but on the bottom of the list by a long shot easily on the road.
00:47:59.55
Mike
Uh huh.
00:48:03.43
Bill
They're, you know, snappy as something you can dance to.
00:48:06.43
Mike
Right.
00:48:07.78
Bill
and he He said that, he said that was kind of like the key of some of their music. They wanted people to be right.
00:48:11.35
Mike
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, well, yeah, they're pop bad, you know, they're just, yeah, absolutely.
00:48:14.48
Bill
right
00:48:16.12
Mike
You know, and, and plus, you know, they have the best, uh, meth song ever. So, right.
00:48:23.07
Bill
Which one oh is it okay, ah okay gotcha gotcha Yeah,
00:48:25.60
Mike
Insomniac.
00:48:28.39
Mike
Yeah.
00:48:31.58
Mike
I mean, totally, you know, spun out in my room on my own.
00:48:35.27
Bill
Right, right.
00:48:35.43
Mike
Here we go.
00:48:37.82
Bill
Huh, interesting. i You know, it's it's some of those things I guess I never really, I didn't pay attention to, but yeah, I mean, I i i know the song.
00:48:45.49
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:48:45.59
Bill
And they're um their new album, because he was talking about that, and I hadn't, after I listened to it, because after I was done doing that, I listened to their their new album on Spotify, which, um enjoyable, you know, saying it's it's Green Day, there's one or two songs.
00:48:53.93
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:48:57.83
Mike
It's green day, right?
00:48:59.44
Bill
yeah There's one or two songs that maybe don't sound Green Day ish and he had mentioned there was I forget which ones but you know He tried to I don't know tried a couple of different things, which is fine But it was like you said, it was Green Day, you know um But but yeah, just in just in general I mean that like you said, you know, they're they're there I never turn them off if they come on and you know, I think they're in a mix of a lot of music that I listen to because it's from it's there they're lumped in with all the other fucking alternative music that I listen to and
00:49:04.41
Mike
Hmm.
00:49:09.39
Mike
Right. Yep.
00:49:28.06
Mike
Right. I'll add other 30 year old music that you listen to as opposed to the 50 year old music that I listened to.
00:49:31.80
Bill
Yeah.
00:49:34.83
Bill
hey Yeah, it is. It is fucking amazing when I mean, the more I think about it, it's like, you know, the and some of these these songs and literally, I mean, some of my favorite songs, I mean, came out in the from ninety five to about two thousand five. You know, that's that's like my that's the area, you know, the majority of the music that I really fucking enjoy is from that time frame.
00:49:47.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:49:55.40
Bill
Now, granted, go back to Nirvana and all that shit, early 90s. But um all that stuff melds into the rest of it anyhow. So um but yeah it was just I just didn't know if you first of all what you thought a green day or if you'd ever listen at an episode so
00:50:09.83
Mike
Yes, both two.
00:50:10.29
Bill
that
00:50:10.72
Mike
Yes, they're fine. And yes, I did happen to listen to that one.
00:50:14.72
Bill
Cool. Well, I think that, uh, that ends music news for the evening. So let's go on to one more thing.
00:50:18.56
Mike
All right.
00:50:20.34
Bill
This one, um, yet another news story, um, that they popped up, they said, and this is it the tease, but, um, you know, obviously I looked it up. Pap's blue ribbon here.
00:50:29.70
Mike
Mmm,
00:50:31.47
Bill
I know, but for their, their anniversary. So how many years says, do you think I'll ask you, do you think that perhaps blue ribbon has been around?
00:50:39.70
Mike
around, um, I believe, I'm trying to think if they were around but before prohibition and then came back.
00:50:40.81
Bill
Yes.
00:50:52.20
Mike
I'm going to go ahead and say, yes, Alex, they were around before prohibition. So yeah, in the, yeah, go ahead.
00:50:57.42
Bill
Yes. Yeah. 180 years old. Okay.
00:51:02.29
Mike
There you go.
00:51:03.35
Bill
So in honor of their 180 years in business, they are no shit because I fucking looked it up.
00:51:07.06
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:51:10.19
Bill
um They are coming out with a 180 pack.
00:51:14.52
Mike
All right.
00:51:16.82
Bill
ah
00:51:17.16
Mike
Still not enough, but all right.
00:51:18.27
Bill
I know. and you know you You know what I did when you know when they said it, because first of all, they're like, you know because I looked it up. And it does. It looks like, um I mean, they put it in a big, it's in a big fucking box.
00:51:29.29
Mike
Well, yeah, right.
00:51:29.32
Bill
But I but but i think inside, um because they said it's you know the obviously 30, well, not 30, six 30 packs. You know, so I don't know if it's like six 30 packs inside around a container, I would assume.
00:51:38.61
Mike
Right.
00:51:42.81
Bill
I don't think it's 180 individual cans in this big, right?
00:51:45.39
Mike
loose yeah right Yeah Right a handle Hey
00:51:47.53
Bill
I don't think, but, um, I, I swear to God, what I, what I did, as soon as that I'm like, oh my God, shit, that's 12 days for me. You know, when I was, but because, and that's not just beer, cause I, I was going through, um, a 30 pack every two days, but that was on top of, you know, a big fucking bottle of whiskey, you know? Yeah. And, you know, in two though, yeah I'm like, fuck, I'm literally in in my head. I mean, right away now. Okay. So last thing, cause they said the cost, what do you think the cost of that would be for a 180 pack?
00:52:17.68
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:52:21.13
Bill
God, now fucking moxies 99.
00:52:21.14
Mike
$1.99.
00:52:24.91
Bill
but
00:52:24.91
Mike
That's what it's worth.
00:52:26.35
Bill
Right, um it's it's like 95 bucks or say just under 100 or something like that.
00:52:29.39
Mike
All right. Yeah.
00:52:31.14
Bill
But um but I was like, the the first thing I thought about, i'm like ah I'm like, okay, so if you got one of those things, I mean, you would need, unless you were out in the parking lot, literally taking it apart, have like having to put these individual 30 packs into your vehicle, you'd need a fucking truck to take your beer home.
00:52:31.22
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:52:37.85
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:52:47.89
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:52:51.66
Mike
Yeah.
00:52:53.25
Bill
You're like, yeah, so, but, but I don't have, but I don't have a truck, you know?
00:52:55.25
Mike
Yeah.
00:52:57.99
Mike
ah I'll find a way. I'll strap it to the hood of my car.
00:53:01.95
Bill
Oh, I know what I would have done. I mean, I would have just fucking taken it apart, you know, just out in the parking lot, taking it apart and, you know, putting, putting it in my car, but it just cracked me up. I'm like, I'm like fucking really, you know, and I, okay, fine.
00:53:11.93
Mike
Or just set it up next to my car and, you know, see in a car in about a week and a half.
00:53:18.30
Bill
exactly but but you know what i mean i i get it it's a it's it's an anniversary thing and it's a promotional thing and people are fucking buying and it's you know just bring i don't know what it it is what it is from a marketing standpoint it just fucking made me laugh i'm like if i get really a hundred and 180 pack
00:53:26.33
Mike
Right. Right.
00:53:36.94
Bill
I don't know, like I said, um I was never, ah I think I drank, um I drank that if that was the only thing that drank or if that was the cheapest beer around.
00:53:37.07
Mike
Right.
00:53:44.93
Bill
Never is I get older, but like high school high school days and shit like that, you know or younger days I think, but yeah.
00:53:48.29
Mike
right
00:53:51.18
Mike
Yeah, yeah, nah, I was never a paps guy either, but yeah, I mean, you know, it got hip there, well, speaking of 30 years ago, right, you know, the kids got all, ooh, paps, blue ribbon, whatever, you know, go watch Blue Velvet, man, paps, fucking blue ribbon.
00:54:08.05
Bill
Yeah, I just, I don't know. It's, it's not good. It's like Budweiser. Budweiser wasn't any good either. So did you like Budweiser?
00:54:13.43
Mike
Hey, now. I have the Anheuser-Busch eagle tattooed on my arm,
00:54:20.07
Bill
No, I know that, but I mean, did you, did you like, did you actually like the beer? I didn't know if you just got the tattoo because you thought it was cool.
00:54:24.10
Mike
I, uh, well, the, yes.
00:54:25.77
Bill
You know,
00:54:27.02
Mike
And, you know, Alice Cooper always drank Budweiser. I mean, Michelob was superior because it was the equality beer from Anheuser-Busch, but yeah, no, Budweiser America. Come on, man. Give it the program.
00:54:38.03
Bill
yeah Well, and again, it my drinking days were spent in Milwaukee. So you know what I drink, I drink all Miller products, not because I had to I mean, Coors products I drank but now those are all part of, you know, it's all Miller Coors now but um yeah, I don't know, just say Miller was kind of what was around Budweiser same thing.
00:54:42.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:54:49.07
Mike
Yeah.
00:54:55.97
Bill
It was a speaking of speaking of high school and buddies from high school I had three different friends that worked for two for one grocery store and one for another one. And they would, you know, cause we're all underage, you know, they would they would steal beer and they would take it out out back um and just put it out by the dumpsters.
00:55:08.99
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:55:14.60
Bill
And then we'd fucking roll by and yeah after the store closed and picked up the beer.
00:55:19.57
Mike
All
00:55:20.35
Bill
It was just, it was funny. We did that for a while. So, um but a lot of times, yeah, Budweiser is what was what we got for whatever reason. I don't know why, if that was the easiest to, you know, to take out or whatever the deal was or wherever it was in the and the store room, but I'm not saying I didn't drink it.
00:55:31.04
Mike
right.
00:55:34.99
Bill
It just, I wasn't a fan. How's that?
00:55:37.24
Mike
All right. Die.
00:55:39.79
Bill
Oh my God, whatever. good All right, so um we talked about that one, I think.
00:55:41.20
Mike
Whatever.
00:55:47.19
Bill
um So did i did I ask this one? This is from a day at a time. In meetings, do I concentrate on the message rather than the messenger?
00:55:56.45
Mike
Hmm.
00:55:57.25
Bill
Did we talk about that one?
00:55:58.60
Mike
I don't think so.
00:55:59.76
Bill
Okay, so um let me repeat that again. So you're you're at a meeting and it said, it was right in the reading though, it says, do I concentrate on the message rather than the messenger?
00:56:10.45
Mike
Right, yeah, um well, i you know, ah depends what she looks like.
00:56:16.09
Bill
ha
00:56:18.58
Mike
um
00:56:19.28
Bill
Well, okay. that I'll put my input in a little bit.
00:56:20.02
Mike
but yeah Right, um you know, principles before personalities.
00:56:23.95
Bill
Go ahead.
00:56:29.14
Mike
Yeah, you know, I mean, we all, you know, judge a book by its cover to a certain extent. oh But yes, I definitely try to listen to the message. um you know, I mean, there's, there's, I've heard plenty of leads from the podium where, you know, yeah, they're, you know, uh, good looking person, uh, look like they have their shit together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they have absolutely nothing to fucking say.
00:56:55.06
Bill
right
00:56:55.24
Mike
Um, you know, and then there's people that get up there and they look like shit and you know, you go crap, you know, here we go. This is going to be a bunch of garbage and they have a fucking wonderful message. So yes, I definitely concentrate on the message and messenger doesn't matter. You know, if if anything I've learned in this world, it's, you know, don't judge that book by its cover.
00:57:15.20
Bill
Right.
00:57:16.52
Mike
You know, look at me, look at you, Jesus Christ.
00:57:16.66
Bill
Right.
00:57:20.41
Bill
Right. Yeah. Well, in, in the first thing I thought about, and it's funny that you said, you know, depends, depends on what she looks like. Cause I thought about that, especially early on, you know, when we started going to, which wasn't right away, you know, going to like mixed beatings and stuff and stuff like that.
00:57:32.56
Mike
Hmm. Right.
00:57:35.61
Bill
But then you get, um, Hey, you get some chick up there. And I mean, she's like, you know, Fucking smoking hot and to begin with you like god damn, but then you're right. It could go either way, you know Person it seems like they have you know all their ducks that are all their shit together Whatever you want to say and you know, they just it's a fucking garbage.
00:57:49.61
Mike
all
00:57:54.03
Bill
They're just gossiping up there sort of, you know Yeah
00:57:55.97
Mike
Yeah, right yeah or a trunk a log or whatever yeah, right it's yeah Right no
00:58:01.39
Bill
Yeah. Like, um okay, fine. You know, that that's, that's great. Great story. Thank you. But the same thing, it doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman, there's been some people up there, like you said, you you know, get some scary ass fucking dude up there. Like maybe you, you know, the people that don't know you, I mean, you're not scary, but I thought you were to begin with, you know,
00:58:17.83
Mike
yeah first first first
00:58:19.06
Bill
you know scare the fuck out of me but you know so the thing of it is and and i think it might have been so i thought about a couple of things in general you know kind of the joke that yeah she's fucking hot i'm not listening to her message type of thing which is untrue you know or the same like you said some guy that looks like a piece of shit and you're like this is going to be fucking nuts i'm not going to listen to it um but
00:58:32.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:58:36.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:58:41.50
Bill
not judging a book by its cover, I think it was harder to begin with because I know, well at least for me, I know that at least early on, whether it was 30 days, 60 days or even longer, um I was still probably trying to compare myself to other people um with with the message and with the outward appearance.
00:58:55.18
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:59:00.82
Bill
So I think it was more difficult then, um than it is now. But um I don't think it really, I don't think the person matters to me anymore. I don't give a fuck who's up there.
00:59:09.93
Mike
Right.
00:59:10.07
Bill
You know, it it depends on if the message is what matters. And, um you know, you get somebody up there that's got, you know, 40 years of sobriety, and you're like, Jesus, this this fucking person, shut the fuck up, we don't need to hear about every every instance that you drank for, you know, 25 fucking years, we get it, you know.
00:59:13.07
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:59:20.16
Mike
Right.
00:59:22.97
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:59:26.49
Mike
Right.
00:59:27.48
Bill
um And then,
00:59:27.79
Mike
Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm shit, man. i know Personally, I've heard some pretty crappy leads at Founders Day. It's a big meeting, you know, I'm sitting there going, what the fuck, man?
00:59:35.58
Bill
Right.
00:59:37.93
Mike
I've heard, you know, I've heard better leads at, you know, a meeting with 10 people.
00:59:42.78
Bill
Right.
00:59:43.33
Mike
Yeah. You know, I, yeah some of them have been really good and some of them have been shit. You know, I actually, I, I, we've left a couple of times because it was like, this is garbage.
00:59:52.01
Bill
Right.
00:59:53.60
Mike
You know, I don't need to sit here and listen to this.
00:59:56.58
Bill
Yeah, it's, and it does, and it comes down to the fact where, um, you know, it's, I'd rather beat the traffic than listen to to this wrap up because that's the thing too.
01:00:03.66
Mike
Yeah.
01:00:04.73
Bill
So for people who don't know, and I mean, obviously we could touch on a little bit more on founder's day, but, um, I mean that lead goes probably what, at least an hour and a half sometimes.
01:00:08.53
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, sometimes right.
01:00:15.37
Bill
You know, and so it's it's not your typical walk into a meeting, you know, quick, even even if it's a ah long meeting, you know, people go an hour maybe but it's it's rare in the Cleveland area, except if you're like it, you know, one of those meetings, but um you know, but in if outer state is it's it's a it's a different story and
01:00:26.37
Mike
Sure. Right.
01:00:34.78
Bill
um I don't know, it's usually like usually by the time that they're a good 45 minutes in, both you and I know know where it's going and whether we want to stick around for the ending that we know is going to happen.
01:00:43.12
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:00:46.72
Bill
And it's just kind of like, eh, let's go beat the fucking traffic. It's been a long day.
01:00:50.02
Mike
Help. Well.
01:00:50.75
Bill
yeah but um But yeah, I just thought that was interesting. And I didn't know if we had talked about that before, so I'm glad i'm glad we didn't. But um yeah, I think it was really hard for me to begin with, you know to concentrate, not to not to compare. But um certainly these days, you know I try to, the message is what matters to me.
01:01:03.74
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:01:07.12
Bill
I don't give a flying fuck what it'll look like anymore. I don't care if they're wearing a suit or not or a tie.
01:01:11.60
Mike
Right.
01:01:12.23
Bill
um I get it. It's out of respect you know in most meetings.
01:01:14.11
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:01:14.63
Bill
but um I just don't think it matters anymore. you know to To me, um what that what that person's wearing, my dad used to always say, you know what do you get when you put a pig in a suit? It's a nicely dressed pig.
01:01:24.61
Mike
Hey, absolutely.
01:01:26.96
Bill
That's all that it is.
01:01:28.10
Mike
Yep.
01:01:29.18
Bill
yeah yeah Yet, one of my ah one of my dad's other favorite favorite little sayings, which is, I know he stole it from somebody like we steal everything, but
01:01:37.02
Mike
Exactly.
01:01:38.28
Bill
so um so yeah okay so try to focus on the message not the messenger and then uh so founders day in in general um and yeah like like mike was saying when i was yelling at the dogs um yeah we're heading out uh you know i'm i'm off at work tomorrow and i actually took off monday too because i didn't know what time we were going to be back but um With the exception of two years because of the pandemic and one year because I got to babysit had the pleasure of babysitting for my grandson.
01:02:05.12
Mike
Right.
01:02:05.19
Bill
and You had other plans that year too so I think we've missed three out of the last 15 years because we went we went year one.
01:02:09.53
Mike
Yup. Yeah.
01:02:13.40
Bill
um but but I mean all in all we've had ah at a really good run at Founders Day and it is kind of the same old thing we do the same old things every time but um I mean I think you agree it's one of the one of the nicest times sober times of the year right.
01:02:21.93
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:02:27.72
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Right. You know, I'm 10 to 15,000 people just like us hanging out on the University of Akron campus and, you know, celebrating this thing we call Alcoholics Anonymous. You know, ah eighty nine years ago, you know, Bill was in Akron, Ohio, and fucking up another deal. And, cause that's what he did.
01:02:54.36
Bill
Right.
01:02:54.66
Mike
And right, you know, he's staying at a hotel by himself and looked into the bar and went, hmm, I could probably very easily walk in there and I probably fucking shouldn't. So I'm going to pick up a telephone and he did. And he called and yeah, found Dr. Bob a couple of days later and yeah. And the rest is history, as they say.
01:03:19.80
Bill
right. But it is I mean it's um it's it's a great time it's uh and and I know we've talked about it before but yeah that that first year I mean you you chose to go with a group of people um I was taken I didn't want to go you know I was still fuck I mean what were we again less than we' we're a month and a half sober I think at the time you know um I was clearly still in my angry stage
01:03:31.18
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. Yeah, right. Yep. Mm hmm.
01:03:44.16
Bill
um You know, but I remember walking up there and I felt really fucking nervous just because it is I mean, it's it's warm out. It was a party atmosphere and um Even though people weren't drinking I just felt very uncomfortable that that first year until we get up in the stands and that's when they still had both sides of the stadium open and um you know, we get up there we starts, you know, we sit down and um I was just like wow, this is
01:03:53.70
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.
01:04:04.00
Mike
Right.
01:04:10.00
Bill
in the my I had that thought in my head, I'm like, if there was a ah plane going overhead that could see what's going on and actually see closely, um there's no way in the fucking world anyone would have thought that everyone in that stadium was sober, you know?
01:04:23.83
Mike
Right.
01:04:24.65
Bill
um Because that's the kind of atmosphere it was. And usually, you know, ah by this time of year, mostly, um I think it's only gonna be, I looked at the weather, I think it's only gonna be in a low to mid 60s or something like that.
01:04:35.93
Mike
Yeah. Well, good 70 ish.
01:04:38.11
Bill
Oh, is it? Okay.
01:04:39.12
Mike
Yeah.
01:04:39.63
Bill
But yeah, shit up until today, it looked like it was gonna rain and I'm like, fuck me. um But, you know, so the weather weather's nice. And you know, it it's, it's, there's always I mean, the sky looks cool. It's a summer night, you know, and it's, it's this party atmosphere type of thing.
01:04:51.91
Mike
Yeah.
01:04:54.78
Bill
But, um you know, you're doing it all sober. And it's, it is, it's just it's, it's one of my favorite times of of the year, you know, as far as sober events, two of them.
01:05:02.99
Mike
Hmm.
01:05:04.09
Bill
our anniversary weekend whatever we do wherever wherever we go is is usually number one for me and this is number two and um yeah I mean keter Keating Center her events obviously I love but these are the anniversary and Founder's Day by my top two out of the year I enjoy it I look forward to it every year
01:05:09.14
Mike
Right.
01:05:19.77
Mike
Yeah. Me too. Yeah. It's going to be fun.
01:05:22.38
Bill
But, but so um it's been, god how long is it been a couple years since we've actually taken guys down there because I mean, Marty, I think Marty has it all handled with the the guys that are there the guys take guys type of thing right.
01:05:30.12
Mike
Right.
01:05:34.62
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah, right. You know, yeah, definitely what the first 10 years or so we always took somebody Yeah, you know, hey Marty who needs a ride.
01:05:41.02
Bill
right
01:05:44.49
Mike
Yeah, take this guy this guy this guy. All right, you know, hey But yeah about five years or so ago He g said nope, we got it and I think we asked the next year and he said nope We got it.
01:05:48.11
Bill
yeah
01:05:57.49
Mike
So we don't ask anymore
01:05:58.37
Bill
Right. Yeah, exactly. You know, which is, which is fine. It it is what it is. We met some, I'll call it interesting guys, some decent guys, you know, and some, some interesting guys too, you know, guys that were same thing. I mean, everyone that went with us, um, if I'm not mistaken was less than six or 60 days or less, would that be right?
01:06:17.31
Mike
Right. Yeah, that'd be about right. Yeah.
01:06:18.83
Bill
All right.
01:06:18.91
Mike
Well, there's certainly halfway guys. So less than ID for sure.
01:06:22.26
Bill
Yeah. Can I just say, I think, man, I but i was going to say maybe some of them had, yeah, two and a half months or close to, yeah, close to three, but we had a couple of guys that were only, you know, less than 30 days, you know, a couple of weeks, you know, that were, I mean, they were brand fucking new.
01:06:31.91
Mike
Oh yeah.
01:06:35.52
Mike
Mm-hmm
01:06:35.70
Bill
Um, so yeah, a couple of guys that, you know, that we took over the years that, you know, literally looked like, you know, fucking deer in the headlights, probably same as I did.
01:06:42.58
Mike
Same as we did right exactly Mm
01:06:44.13
Bill
Yeah.
01:06:46.67
Bill
But yeah, it's a good time and usually when and I think we're going to try you know obviously timing and depending on if it works try to hit our old home group which is who do you know and um try to hit that tomorrow night and yeah it's just it's it's always a nice weekend and then I believe as the as the group text was was blowing up everyone's phone this afternoon I think that
01:06:55.47
Mike
-hmm
01:07:04.79
Mike
Right.
01:07:06.87
Bill
ah And again, I was gonna think I know Kathy'll listen to this but I almost take one point because this buzzin next to me while I'm working I was about to say get your own room tonight, but thank you know, once again, it was fine She was just trying to figure out with Carla and see if she was coming down.
01:07:16.10
Mike
he
01:07:19.45
Mike
see
01:07:19.96
Bill
but um But Yeah, I think that we might get together and go to go to my friends on Sunday. So which would be That place I love that place.
01:07:26.04
Mike
Right.
01:07:28.15
Bill
I know what I'm getting to that fucking monster turkey sandwich. That's cheap as fuck but everything there is
01:07:33.11
Mike
Right. Yep. Yeah, pretty much. Right. Yeah. You know, yeah and for those of you don't know, my friends is the name of a restaurant here in Cleveland. It's kind of an upscale diner. It's very nice place.
01:07:46.74
Bill
Yeah. And it, ah it is a, it's a place where a bunch of us people hang out just inadvertently, you know, it's just, I mean, for years.
01:07:51.33
Mike
Yeah. Right. Well, it's open 24 hours. So yeah, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's a place to go after a meeting, have some coffee and some pie and shoot the shit.
01:07:55.22
Bill
Oh yeah, that's good.
01:07:58.86
Bill
Right.
01:08:02.41
Bill
And seriously, I mean, when, I think when the first, well, it was a few years ago when Yumi and Chris went there and we all got like, I mean, there were good size portions.
01:08:09.72
Mike
Yep.
01:08:12.97
Bill
I mean, it's, you know, this turkey sandwich I got was like fucking three inches thick. And, you know, whatever you get french fries, I think you get a salad with it and, you know, grab a soda and you guys got the same thing. I don't think that, I think the entire bill was maybe 25 bucks, maybe 30 with a tip or something. It was,
01:08:27.76
Mike
Right.
01:08:28.40
Bill
who's cheap, you know, I mean, it's, it's not crazy expensive, the service is good, the food is, is good, you know, and just yet, a nice comfortable place to hang out.
01:08:29.39
Mike
Yep.
01:08:34.93
Mike
Yep.
01:08:37.15
Bill
So as always, I'm looking forward to it.
01:08:37.49
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:08:40.39
Bill
So all good stuff.
01:08:41.64
Mike
Yeah, yeah, I need a fucking day off man.
01:08:46.57
Bill
yeah Yeah. So are you, you're working tomorrow though, right?
01:08:51.03
Mike
Oh Yeah Right Myrtle Beach, yes Myrtle's Beach Right
01:08:51.84
Bill
Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. Well, you, okay. Well, actually ah speaking of days off, you just got, that was the one thing I forgot to make a note of it. I almost forgot. So you were in the beach of Myrtle. So how was your, how was your whole but Myrtle, Myrtle is beach. So Mike, tell us about your trip.
01:09:09.72
Mike
Ah, my trip. Well, uh, it was a Christmas birthday yesterday. Happy birthday.
01:09:14.60
Bill
Happy birthday, Chris.
01:09:14.88
Mike
Um, right. And, um, yeah, you know, all she wanted for her birthday was for all four of our kids to be in the same place at the same time. So, uh, we all figured out that, uh, one of her sons lives in South Carolina. So that was the easiest way for all of us to get together. So we did. Um, it was very nice. We got a condo four bedroom condo. Um, yeah. It was a good time, man. Hey, you know, the kids, you know, got to sit there, watch some of them drinking.
01:09:45.43
Mike
It's funny, man. Well, most of them, they only roared one night. um Yeah, then they did.
01:09:51.13
Bill
roared.
01:09:53.31
Mike
And, um you know, it was cool. ah They had a good time. They're out there playing cards and stuff. I mean, I was hanging out actually that night. I went to bed early um because, you know, whatever, man, I don't need to be hanging out with that shit.
01:10:03.90
Bill
Great.
01:10:05.99
Mike
That was their time. um Yeah, but it was it was really good. We spent a day at the beach, we um ah her son Donny and and his husband. They actually got a room near there. So we went and hung out at their hotel at the pool and stuff. That one day um we went to the wax museum. We did touristy shit. i Went to the aquarium one day. That was cool. um Yeah, you know, just tourists, man. Well, guess what? It wasn't about me.
01:10:37.64
Mike
It was about Chris hanging out with her kids.
01:10:38.03
Bill
yeah
01:10:39.78
Mike
And yeah, it was, it was good, man. You know, family. I'm fucking tired though You know cuz it definitely wasn't wasn't a lot of laying around I mean it was it was sitting around and stuff and we ate too much and um Walked around all over the place and frolic did yeah it was Right and then I got back and I went to work today and I'm going to work tomorrow and then you motherfuckers are gonna be here and
01:10:46.29
Bill
Right. Yeah.
01:11:02.14
Bill
Frolic.
01:11:09.50
Bill
Right. Right.
01:11:10.42
Mike
ah to Get my lawn mowed today. So my yard didn't look like shit when you people pull up and oh Yeah, I'm just I'm tired Mm
01:11:20.25
Bill
But yeah, I guess I didn't want me to make sense. i And I wasn't really even thinking that, because I know that when I was looking for, because before I went down there, I mean, I looked at, I mean, for months, I looked for different places around Myrtle Beach. And um again, probably not looking in whatever price range or even looking for the number of whatever it was, I never came across more than, you know, like a one or two bedroom condo like that.
01:11:32.31
Mike
-hmm
01:11:41.83
Bill
But I was like, God damn, a four bedroom condo. That's nice. You know, that, especially because you were in one of the like, was it a high rise or just how many
01:11:44.76
Mike
Yeah.
01:11:50.12
Mike
Yeah, we are four floors. We were on the fourth floor.
01:11:52.04
Bill
I was okay okay
01:11:52.85
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, you know, um, yeah, it was, it was just, you know, like I said, the whole family, big ass living room, big ass balcony. Um, ah it was really nice. It was really nice.
01:12:05.59
Bill
that's cool but um yeah I mean it's I was looking at all the yeah the pictures between you and Chris and even her kids you know I mean obviously post and all that stuff and yeah it did it look like it looked like fun I mean you know like you and I were talking last week um I would the the the traveling that I've done I've done none of that and like I was in Myrtle Beach and I saw you know some of those things and I'm like eh
01:12:11.56
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:12:27.49
Bill
you know I just for me but same deal if I were with a group of people and they wanted to go I would I would love all those things you guys were doing I think it'd be a lot of fucking fun you know but to go by myself I'm like yeah well hang outside it's nice out you know type of thing but um yeah I mean if there was uh because I was thinking about and I completely forgot about it until just now there's the um like an airspace museum or something down in Houston
01:12:36.38
Mike
Yeah.
01:12:40.17
Mike
Right. Right.
01:12:52.26
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:12:52.45
Bill
that um that I saw, I was like one of the attractions when I was searching before I went down there, I completely fucking forgot about it. I think it would have been fun you know to to go to go there, but and I had a nice enough time. you know the the The best time I had there, you know again, the place that I had, I talked all about it, if that was what it was, but you know going around and just kind of kicking around and seeing some of this shit and the weather was fucking beautiful while I was there.
01:13:17.12
Mike
Right.
01:13:17.84
Bill
I'll just be in like you said kind of touristy I'm like I want to just go look at things you know like you guys.
01:13:21.16
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:13:22.65
Bill
That's nice.
01:13:23.60
Mike
yeah It was, you know, and I mean, definitely, you know, it was beginning of June and it was, it was party time down there, man. It was, you know, the whole place smells of weed and yeah,
01:13:35.40
Bill
yeah
01:13:38.59
Mike
but you know what? Again, I can go anywhere and do anything I fucking want today. It was, it was nice. I had a good time, got to hang out with family and yeah, I'm tired.
01:13:49.89
Bill
Right. Yeah. You know, it was, it was funny that this last time. Um, and I think it was, uh, when I got back here, um, after driving back from, from Branson and it was, that was probably the shortest, one of the shorter drives that I, that I had, it was, I don't know, it was nine, 10 hours, whatever the deal was. But I mean, I had some, oh shit, when I left your place and went to Tennessee, I was fucked. That was a full fucking 12 hours, you know?
01:14:14.30
Mike
right
01:14:14.49
Bill
um which, again, was fine. It is what it is. i've Whether I've gotten used to it or not, I don't know, but it wasn't a big deal, you know, or it's not.
01:14:20.68
Mike
hey
01:14:23.28
Bill
But, you know, that um I think what it was is just that that weekend, that Sunday and Monday, I was all over the fucking place. then going from being super active and then just kind of sitting around doing nothing but then sitting in the car I was actually I was tired when I got back but I was fucking sore I think just from sitting around because I think my body got out and just all fucking active and stuff and then you sit there in a car or literally at a desk for a week and then sit in a car for 10 fucking hours I was tired when I got home it was weird you know and I'm like I didn't do anything today you know except for sit on my my old fucking ass and drive
01:14:40.07
Mike
Right? Hey.
01:14:48.91
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:15:00.19
Bill
yeah but yeah the the thing of it is I mean when they talk about it on the radio show that I listen to all the time they're like you know having trying to have fun takes takes a lot of fucking work and a lot of effort it takes it takes a lot out of you takes a lot to of it old guy right
01:15:11.55
Mike
It does. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Oh yeah. I mean, actually the day we hung out at the pool, we were there for probably four hours or something. And then um we got back to the condo and they wanted to go down to the beach. They got a couple of boogie boards and stuff. And I was like, you know what? You guys have fun. I'm done for the day, man. You know, I mean, cause yeah, 20s, early 30s, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and the kids and stuff and whatever.
01:15:37.37
Bill
yeah
01:15:44.30
Mike
I'm fucking pushing 60 years old, man. I'm just like, you know what? I'm just going to sit here. You guys go have fun.
01:15:51.48
Bill
Right. Yeah, it it's it really does it comes down to it with with some time. I mean anything like that It's like I I'm okay. I'd rather just fucking sit here, you know, just just fucking sit here But well, I'm glad you had a good time I mean obviously the pictures the pictures look like you guys were having a good time and I figured that was gonna be the case I didn't think you were gonna get out here and be like, oh that was a fucking mess
01:15:59.85
Mike
Right. Yep.
01:16:09.12
Mike
Mm-hm. Nope, it was fine.
01:16:15.75
Bill
yeah No, I know, I know. um Okay, so last thing here, because I think this will be an easy enough one, it's from Keep It Simple. So the reading talked about struggles and I i think we've talked about struggling here and there over obviously over many episodes but What was, what do you think was the biggest struggle or struggles for you in early recovery? and um Pick a time frame, 30, 60, now let's say up to 90 days because we were still at the Keating Center, probably still until we got our feet under us. But what do you think your biggest struggle was when you first got sober?
01:16:55.89
Mike
Um, that's pretty easy. Actually, my biggest struggle was not to struggle. Um,
01:17:04.55
Mike
Yeah, you know, stop fighting, man. Surrender. That is, you know, that fucking, you know, trusting the process and and and and letting it go, letting it go of all the bullshit and letting it go of the way I think things should be and and and stop fighting. Stop fighting the addiction, stop fighting the process, stop fighting everything. You know, um that is the hardest thing for me to do was the hardest thing for me to do was surrender and and stop fighting.
01:17:34.60
Bill
Right.
01:17:35.88
Mike
Stop struggling. Stop it. um um yeah You know, I mean, I don't lead as often as I used to, but every time I lead, I mean, I put that one in there because that was one of the one of the early leads I saw, you know, the guy threw his hands up in the air and said, surrender. And and that's just it. So I always say towards the end of my lead, always I say, you know, but cause that's how you know you're getting to the end of the lead, right? If you're new.
01:18:04.53
Bill
Right. Yep.
01:18:07.02
Mike
Right. So I always, I always say, if you're new or you're not so new and you're struggling, stop because you can't win. None of it. You cannot win any of it. So stop struggling, you know, trust the process and surrender, surrender to this thing, man. Stop fighting the disease. Stop fighting yourself. Stop fighting everybody around you. You're fucking powerless, man. So stop trying to have power and stop fighting this thing.
01:18:37.97
Mike
All of it.
01:18:38.23
Bill
Right. Yeah, in the and same thing, you know I always say this, but I i try not to think too too far into these and then kind of listen to you. And it made me think of, I don't know, probably 17 different things. But um first of all, I agree with you.
01:18:50.55
Mike
if Right.
01:18:52.86
Bill
That was easily one of my one of my troubles. But the way that I thought about it, maybe this is the same thing-ish, um just getting out of my own way. you know um And in what i what I thought about was is is realizing that you know once again what happened at nine months, that could it be that simple?
01:19:07.92
Mike
Mm
01:19:10.18
Bill
you know And and that was that was me not getting out of my own way, not allowing this thing to happen, not fully grasping and fucking listening.
01:19:16.52
Mike
hmm.
01:19:20.20
Bill
You know, because you in in the first few episodes we were talking about, when we ended up talking about that story. You know, when you said it kind of like to over and over and over again.
01:19:28.45
Mike
Hehehehehe.
01:19:30.06
Bill
And it was many things that you said that about. But one of the main things was, you know, obviously pray, well, don't drink, pray, go to meetings, try to help another alcoholic.
01:19:33.93
Mike
Mmhm. Mmhm.
01:19:39.59
Bill
You and you're not you're not joking. We heard that over and over and over again.
01:19:43.21
Mike
Right.
01:19:43.27
Bill
And it was nauseating.
01:19:44.85
Mike
Mmhm.
01:19:45.02
Bill
you know but but I still I didn't I didn't listen I wasn't trying not to but I was in my own way because as it turned out I was trying to figure this thing out you know I was trying to figure out the biggest part of that for anyone who hasn't heard the story I'll make this one's brief it's easy
01:19:52.55
Mike
Mmhm. Mmhm.
01:20:02.35
Bill
people kept relapsing and I couldn't fucking figure it out.
01:20:05.77
Mike
Right.
01:20:05.94
Bill
Every time somebody went out, I'm like, okay, that was a Tuesday, it was raining, and this happened. But then the next guy was a Thursday, and it was sunny out. And that happened. I'm like, Hmm, so i'm I'm trying to put together these these equations, you know, then finally, I go to my friend Mike and I and um'm at that point, nine months sober, which is still really young in this thing. But at that time, that's a lot of time, you know, from from zero, you know, up to nine months.
01:20:27.63
Mike
Right. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
01:20:31.13
Bill
um And I'm just like, man, can it be that simple? And that that's where the joke comes in, where he says yes, and walks away. That was my fucking light bulb moment.
01:20:36.57
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:20:38.49
Bill
You know, the reason people relapse is really fucking simple.
01:20:38.71
Mike
something things
01:20:42.54
Bill
You know, people, people stop praying, people stop going to meetings, people try stop trying to help other or stop trying to help other people, you know, and
01:20:48.85
Mike
Yeah, they stop working the program.
01:20:51.12
Bill
Yeah, and and you know what, and you could you if you're listening to this and you're not an AA person, you're like, well, I don't do meetings and I don't pray. It doesn't fucking matter.
01:20:58.43
Mike
All right.
01:20:58.60
Bill
Mike just said it. Stopped working a program. Whatever work you're doing to stay sober, if you stop doing that, you're going to fucking relapse.
01:21:02.73
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:21:06.80
Mike
Yeah.
01:21:07.00
Bill
It's going to happen.
01:21:07.64
Mike
Period. Yeah.
01:21:08.59
Bill
Yeah.
01:21:08.71
Mike
You again, you have no choice.
01:21:11.05
Bill
Right.
01:21:11.77
Mike
Yeah.
01:21:11.87
Bill
Yeah.
01:21:11.97
Mike
The only, I don't have a choice. The only choice I have is to get up in the morning and do the things that they taught me to do to stay away from the first one. I stopped doing those things.
01:21:20.54
Bill
Right.
01:21:22.07
Mike
I'm picking up period.
01:21:23.58
Bill
Yep.
01:21:24.68
Mike
Thoroughly convinced to that thoroughly convinced to that. I stopped doing this shit. I'm picking up. I don't have a choice.
01:21:31.25
Bill
Right. Yeah, and that's, and it's scary, you know, it's scary to think about. But, you know, but the the other analogy that I always talk about is that, you know, walk it up and walking up a down escalator, it's the same thing.
01:21:40.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:21:41.96
Bill
You know, that's your that's your program, you doing the work is walking up, if you stop doing the work, you're going to go back down. That's, that's the idea of going, going back down into the depths of whatever it was. So Same thing, you know, for people who listen to us, and I know there are that are not AA people, it doesn't fucking matter. You know, you don't have to talk about those three things. It's just exactly what Mike said. If you stop doing whatever work you're doing to stay sober, you will relapse. That's going to happen, you know?
01:22:04.78
Mike
Yep Yep, yep
01:22:06.62
Bill
but um but yeah and i think i think that's what it was that's that was the there was the there was so many things it was a spider web of things that went along with me not getting out of my way but that i think that's the easiest way to put it once and still to this day you know i think about it i i told the story about when when i came down here and we were trying to get mom to move in and finally uh we're button heads all three of us are you know and finally when when all of us kind of backed off and things started to flow in the right direction and then she fucking died you know so it it worked itself out you know she fixed the glitch
01:22:37.14
Mike
Right. Yeah.
01:22:44.98
Bill
ah Sorry, I couldn't help myself but but no, I mean literally it was at that point when when we stopped pushing she calmed down we calm down we got we all got out of our own ways and You know, it was gonna work itself out, you know, so um That's the biggest thing man.
01:22:53.90
Mike
Always.
01:23:00.05
Bill
i'm I'm still to this day. I am by far my own worst fucking enemy every goddamn day Always We always are right
01:23:06.20
Mike
always Yeah. ah Yes, we are.
01:23:13.10
Bill
All right, man. So um I don't know. I think we did. It's good fucking work today.
01:23:19.69
Bill
One of these days, I got to be able to get that out with, you know, actually with a straight face, but it's everyone knows it's a fucking lie.
01:23:22.17
Mike
this is
01:23:25.17
Bill
This whatever. I don't even know what we fucking talked about. Was it good work? yeah We filled, we filled an hour and a half.
01:23:28.74
Mike
yeah It was work.
01:23:31.84
Bill
It was we did the work.
01:23:33.55
Mike
We did.
01:23:34.70
Bill
All right.
01:23:35.39
Mike
Now it's up to you to judge if it was any good or not.
01:23:38.50
Bill
Correct, yeah, you judgmental motherfuckers.
01:23:40.92
Mike
yeah
01:23:42.69
Bill
But you know what? you ah you You paid the price, quote unquote, because you put in the time. So judge away, motherfuckers.
01:23:49.53
Mike
Right.
01:23:51.42
Bill
All right, so you good? We all done?
01:23:54.39
Mike
I was done an hour and a half ago.
01:23:57.17
Bill
I know. All right, it's your turn, brother.
01:23:59.31
Mike
And we're only a buck 23 into it 24.
01:24:02.56
Bill
Right.
01:24:02.59
Mike
Um, all right. It is my turn. All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to another episode of sober, not mature. So always be kind to each other, be good to each other and go out there and do something nice for somebody else this week. And don't tell anybody you did it and stop fucking struggling. Now it's time. It's time kids. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying you cannot fuck off past here. Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.
01:24:42.12
Bill
Now stop struggling. like
01:24:45.01
Mike
Exactly.
01:24:45.77
Bill
ah That was funny. that gave me That gave me a little chuckle there. I like that one.
01:24:48.88
Mike
he
01:24:49.29
Bill
so All right, man, so whatever. I mean, it is what it is. Hopefully you all are listening to this on a Friday, maybe a Saturday, maybe a Sunday or or whenever it is. But yeah, this one's coming out or came out early.
01:24:58.05
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:25:00.31
Bill
So and I don't know, we're going to be in Cleveland. We're going to get all all whatever. Oh, we have a guest next week. I confirm that.
01:25:05.80
Mike
Ah, go.
01:25:06.39
Bill
So first half of the episode and then maybe second half we could do a recap on Founders Day and all that good stuff.
01:25:11.80
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:25:12.83
Bill
So as they always say, join us next week.
01:25:16.66
Mike
That's right. And be sure to get consent from that goat.
01:25:19.69
Bill
yeah Exactly get the goats not smiling back off.
01:25:24.39
Mike
That's right.
01:25:26.05
Bill
All right man I love you brother and I will I'm gonna see you tomorrow so that's that.
01:25:28.01
Mike
I love you too. You're gonna see me tomorrow. That is that.
01:25:33.35
Bill
All right man love you bye.
01:25:33.63
Mike
Bye.
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