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Aug. 17, 2024
SoberNotMature - Episode 130 (Hobo Problems)
This week it's the can't miss, super spectacular, Season 5 Finale, with Mike and Bill! (or just another episode)
Mike started off with his reading and it was about problems. We all have them and they are a part of life, but our problems today are very different than they were in our drinking days. It was a good talk.
Mike has his radio gig coming up in a couple of weeks, so we chatted about that and stayed tuned for more information.
Then a little more about Dennis Dunaway, Machine Gun Kelly, character defects, happiness, fear, dealing with physical pain when you are sober and is drinking still an option.
I know we hit a few other things, but I have no clue what they were. We filled the time though.
Enjoy the episode.
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Transcript
00:00:01.72
Bill
All right, everyone, welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. And Mike, we're gonna start off with a guessing game, okay?
00:00:13.20
Bill
it's It's an easy one, hopefully.
00:00:14.50
Mike
All right.
00:00:14.64
Bill
I'm gonna lead you into it, okay?
00:00:17.02
Mike
All right.
00:00:17.38
Bill
So what do you think this episode is the end of something? What do you think it is the end of?
00:00:23.11
Mike
Oh, you know what? I was thinking about this the other day, actually. ah It's the end of season three.
00:00:26.85
Bill
Really?
00:00:29.79
Bill
oh no we're god back in time we're end of season five fucking
00:00:34.68
Mike
Oh Jesus. so How much I pay attention. All right. At least I got half of it, right? It's end of a season.
00:00:43.27
Bill
season three i'm only i'm only laughing because i think you know we do this in six month increments but um i don't know if you would have done this
00:00:50.29
Mike
I seriously don't fucking pay that much attention. I've, but yes. Uh, and there was end of a season season of a man's mind.
00:00:56.81
Bill
yeah That was just, I don't know why it made me laugh so much, but thank you. ah Like we were just, we started off, we had about a 30 second, 30 second, what we call pre-show meeting.
00:01:10.39
Mike
Right.
00:01:10.41
Bill
And I said, it's been a hell of a, it's been a week and I've got a story and Mike kind of said the same thing.
00:01:13.75
Mike
oh Yeah.
00:01:15.74
Bill
So, but yeah, that made me laugh. But yeah, anyhow, so I put a, I don't know, i I thought about it too, probably two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago.
00:01:18.81
Mike
Well, good.
00:01:25.71
Bill
It just started looking and set myself a reminder for last week and forgot to tell you and then you know popped up again I'm like, oh, yeah shit. So the cool part is so just just to remind everyone I guess these are these are programming notes um Next week we have dr.
00:01:39.04
Bill
Sarah. So she will be the beginning of season six, which is kind of fun um just in general I mean she's fun in general, but I also I think I only posted it once maybe twice but our guest William Moyers um got delayed he didn't walk away which
00:01:39.99
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
00:01:55.51
Mike
Right.
00:01:56.57
Bill
when i When I got the email, I'm like, yeah, email Mike. I'm like, yeah, you know what, first of all, guys it got postponed to ah October 11th as our recording day and October 12th is gonna be release date, which is fine.
00:02:03.85
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:02:07.69
Bill
I mean, we'll get him after the fact, after hopefully he tells you know his same same story to all these other podcasts between now and then, and then we get to hopefully something different.
00:02:13.39
Mike
Right.
00:02:16.93
Bill
But um I don't know, it was just one of those that, yeah, like Mike and I were saying, at least they didn't say, Jesus Christ, we listen to these fuckers a couple of times. and um yeah you you You don't want to be on there, right?
00:02:28.45
Mike
Right.
00:02:29.70
Bill
yeah But no, I mean, the his, I don't know if I'll call business partner, because I don't know what her role is or who she is.
00:02:32.77
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:02:38.34
Bill
But um her name is Kim, the person that has I've been working back and forth with and number one, very nice, very gracious, actually thanked us for understanding and a family commitment or something that came up.
00:02:51.69
Mike
Sure.
00:02:51.73
Bill
And, you know, mike as Mike said, I think you said it right, something about family, you can repeat what you said in the text.
00:02:56.62
Mike
Well, yeah, its I'm repeating what someone else said, but yeah, yeah we got sober for to be there for our families kind of first and foremost. I mean, yes, you know sobriety is the most important thing in our lives and all that good stuff. but after that, um, yeah, you know, to be there for other people, not just, uh, cause that selfish self-centeredness shit, um, is over, hopefully mostly kind of anyway.
00:03:16.25
Bill
Right.
00:03:21.11
Bill
Right.
00:03:22.75
Mike
So, uh, yes. So he's got some family commitments. So that's completely acceptable.
00:03:28.38
Bill
Yeah. And I mean, one way or the other, though we've had, we've had only, was it only the one person that dicked us around for, you know, what, tried to reschedule three times. when We finally said, no, we're done with you.
00:03:38.64
Mike
Yeah.
00:03:38.94
Bill
A little, little dicky that we had fun with.
00:03:40.89
Mike
Right.
00:03:41.33
Bill
um But yeah, other than that, I think we had, we may have had one but other person postponed. I know we've had to postpone a couple of people based on a couple of circumstances.
00:03:48.46
Mike
Right.
00:03:50.22
Bill
One I know was a scheduling mistake, but hey, it you know shit happens. but But one way or the other, yeah, we're we're still gonna have him on.
00:03:53.67
Mike
Right.
00:03:56.67
Bill
we'll so We'll continue to promote him as it gets a little bit closer. But um I don't know, all in all, I think it'd be having him, as she said, they're still it's not like they're not gonna be promoting the book for a while.
00:04:07.13
Bill
So um you know that that is what it is.
00:04:07.51
Mike
Right.
00:04:09.57
Bill
But again, I... More and more I thought about it, I'm like, this is good. Shit happens for a fucking reason and we're not gonna be, yeah, we're not gonna be right in that mix of, you know, his, just, this is what I talk about and everything I get on, this pattern.
00:04:16.33
Mike
So I've heard right.
00:04:23.60
Bill
And, you know, it's human nature, people get into it. So, um I don't know, I think hopefully we'll get a more genuine and laid back individual at that time frame. So, that's what I, yeah, yeah yeah exactly, I was gonna say at least, that's my that's my thought.
00:04:31.12
Mike
Yeah, or not, but either way we'll still get them. So yes.
00:04:38.26
Bill
I almost said hope, but it's not, but I mean, that's my thought, how's that?
00:04:41.28
Mike
Yeah.
00:04:42.93
Bill
All right, so um do you have a reading that is fitting for a season finale reading?
00:04:49.31
Mike
Yeah.
00:04:51.38
Mike
sure
00:04:51.45
Bill
yeah Sure, okay, yeah, just saying yes, doesn't matter what it is.
00:04:53.39
Mike
yeah I have a reading. It will be on the season finale. So, I guess it's going to fit.
00:04:58.53
Bill
It's gonna be fitting.
00:05:00.24
Mike
Right.
00:05:00.47
Bill
All right.
00:05:01.15
Mike
You know, grease it up and it'll fit one way or another.
00:05:05.61
Bill
two yeah
00:05:06.58
Mike
Right.
00:05:07.40
Bill
Spit on that thing.
00:05:09.31
Mike
Good god. Uh we're all **** doomed anyway.
00:05:14.92
Bill
That's why I did that. That made me laugh. I got into it only a little bit because it just made me fucking laugh. But other than that, it was fucking stupid. But yeah.
00:05:22.13
Mike
Yes, anyway, all right.
00:05:23.68
Bill
Anyhow.
00:05:24.65
Mike
So this was from about a week and a half or so ago. I had marked it um and we didn't do a reading last week because we had a wonderful guest.
00:05:35.29
Mike
So i'm back to it. Here it is, August 9th. It's from God Grant Meets. um The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem. Theodore Rubin. I didn't have time to look them up. So you're going to have to do it. All right. As long as we live and breathe, we'll have problems. They are simply a part of life. We need to get used to that fact and stop getting upset about every problem that comes along. We can use the same process to solve our problems as we used to stay sober.
00:06:11.53
Mike
First we take a good look at the issue and decide how big it really is. Then we decide whether it is something we can handle by ourselves. If we need help, we get it. Then we think through all of the parts of the problem and decide how to fix it. We can talk it over with someone else for feedback.
00:06:30.62
Mike
Next, we take action. Sometimes fixing a problem takes time and we have to have patience. Sometimes it can't be fixed and we need to learn to live with it. Remember, having problems is just part of life and overall life is a lot better than it used to be. Prayer for the day, higher power, help me pay attention and do what I need to do about my problems and then let go.
00:06:59.14
Mike
Today's action. Oh, those pesky actions. Today I will make a list of my problems. I will decide if I'm doing the right things to work on them today. Then I will relax and do something fun.
00:07:14.65
Bill
I'm gonna sit down, I'm gonna write down all my shit and I'm gonna kick my feet up and have some fun.
00:07:20.39
Mike
Yeah.
00:07:21.54
Bill
ah Okay, so um usually I like to, not always like to, but i a lot of times tend to start at the end of these and let' let's do that now.
00:07:28.64
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:07:29.83
Bill
So um I don't know, do if you had to list out or make a list of problems that you had right now, would you have anything that you would be able to write down?
00:07:36.76
Mike
see
00:07:43.26
Mike
I mean, sure, of course. Um, right.
00:07:47.29
Bill
I mean, like everyone's got stuff. I'd just mean anything that you think that you have to work on or...
00:07:49.65
Mike
Exactly. Um, you know, um, there's, uh, yeah, you know, clearly, um, I could use a little more money. Um, there's, there's some personal stuff, uh, nothing important, some stuff that I've gotta let go. Um, and I am and, and yeah, you know, there's problems. I'm not going to get too specific because you fuckers don't need to know, but, uh,
00:08:14.89
Bill
none your fucking business
00:08:16.52
Mike
Yeah, kind of, you know, but I mean, yes, you know, but I mean, overall, um, again, life's pretty fucking good.
00:08:17.99
Bill
yeah
00:08:25.12
Mike
Like the reading said, you know, um, I can focus on my problems and that's never any good. Um, You know, I again yeah look at them see what I have to do to make them a little bit better a little less problematic and um You know and then do those things and but again don't don't stress it too much um You know learned real early on that, you know 95% of the shit's gonna work itself out.
00:08:44.69
Bill
none of your fucking business.
00:08:53.75
Mike
um I'm not that important and I Yeah, you know, yes, there are things, but, uh, yeah, you know, overall, for the most part, I tried not to focus on them and focus on the good things.
00:09:06.01
Mike
Do that little gratitude list at the end of the day. And, and the problems don't seem quite as bad when I do that. So there you go.
00:09:13.85
Bill
Right, yeah, and the biggest i problem I'm dealing with, and I'll tell my story a little bit later, I don't want to interrupt the reading with it, but um that's ah that's a thing I'm dealing with um right now.
00:09:20.98
Mike
Hmm.
00:09:25.23
Bill
But again, nothing nothing huge, but I'll tell the story later.
00:09:27.76
Mike
Huh.
00:09:27.91
Bill
I guess the only other, um you know, and I had to laugh at the money thing, and I i suppose, yeah, I could use anyone to use more money.
00:09:32.86
Mike
Hmm.
00:09:35.52
Mike
Yeah.
00:09:36.43
Bill
because I had a slower month um you know the last month. So my commission check I just got yesterday was, um no, today, I'm sorry. um But that overwhelmingly less, but less than it was last month.
00:09:49.27
Mike
Right.
00:09:49.53
Bill
I'm i'm still fine, you know but you know i thought I thought about it.
00:09:51.28
Mike
Right.
00:09:52.57
Bill
I'm like, ah, you know i because I bought new contacts last month at my car registration. I had a couple of things that really came in handy, the fact that I had, you know and i'm gonna I'm using finger quotes now, extra money.
00:10:02.35
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:10:03.82
Bill
um The fact that I had some additional money last month at this time was perfect because um I needed it. you know
00:10:10.12
Mike
Right.
00:10:10.88
Bill
um But then, you know, I had a actually had a meeting with my ah manager and actually and my two managers today and we're talking to me a little bit because, you know, again, it's my month isn't horrible, but I didn't come out of the gates again.
00:10:15.11
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:10:22.33
Bill
It's been it's been weird. It's been slow. You know, I think I talked about it a couple weeks ago that I got some of those accounts kick back at me and stuff like that. And I got a little bit new process and
00:10:29.48
Mike
Right.
00:10:31.29
Bill
ah In my head. I'm like this is gonna take me two fucking weeks to to get back on track I know it will because of the number of accounts that came back at a new it wasn't new processes I was I was shown certain ways to do things not blaming other people But you kind of get these are I was given suggestions on how to work things and I worked was working a certain way And it turned out to be not necessarily the right way um but in either way it is what it is, but
00:10:51.04
Mike
Hmm. Yeah.
00:10:58.43
Bill
now it's been about two weeks and you know I'm starting to get I've got myself back in my group with this stuff but he's like you know you're a little bit behind he goes you you've got the second largest inventory out of the the group of level twos you know you need to make sure you hit your goal this and that I didn't get a write-up or anything like that but I understand what this meeting was today I know what it was it's a matter of I've been around management enough you know they you got to have these verbal things this was just to get a sit-down
00:11:13.77
Mike
Right.
00:11:23.90
Bill
you know, bring it up.
00:11:24.09
Mike
Right. right
00:11:25.24
Bill
We you we hit he did a side by side with me, which is normal for everyone, but then they did this. And then, you know, if it if it continues to be problematic, you know, then it is what it is. But here's here's the thing with this problem.
00:11:36.17
Bill
And, you know, I that i if I call it a problem is after I get off the phone, I'm like or the the meeting with them. I'm like, okay, I got two choices right now, I can fucking freak out, that doesn't help.
00:11:46.10
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:11:47.11
Bill
um And I looked at the numbers, I'm like, yeah, they're not great, but they're not horrible.
00:11:51.12
Mike
Right.
00:11:51.13
Bill
But then I, same thing, I ask myself all the time, have you been fucking off? You know, the answer is no.
00:11:56.82
Mike
Right.
00:11:58.52
Bill
Have I been doing everything, you know, and I even said that on a meeting, I'm like, I'm like, I agree, I said, you help me out, you give me these things, that things are falling in place, this and that.
00:11:59.14
Mike
Right.
00:12:06.27
Bill
um if If I had to get off that call and say, oh man, I get to get my shit in gear,
00:12:12.13
Mike
right
00:12:12.08
Bill
Um, then that's a problem because that means, you know, that I haven't been doing other things.
00:12:13.97
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:12:16.64
Bill
Now, yes, I need to probably, as he always says, maybe be a little bit more diligent on a couple of things. Everyone could be a little bit better at that. Be a little bit more assertive. Everyone could be better at that. Um, fine tune and hone a couple of things.
00:12:28.95
Bill
Um, but I mean, that all comes with time, you know, and continuing to do it, practice.
00:12:31.79
Mike
Yeah.
00:12:33.01
Bill
So,
00:12:33.66
Mike
Absolutely.
00:12:33.89
Bill
um It's a again, it's not it didn't under me or anything like that I know what I got to do But I told him one of the last things I said, I'm like, I'm like you want me to hit the 25?
00:12:41.56
Mike
Mm
00:12:42.85
Bill
I needed the 25. I said I don't go backwards.
00:12:45.16
Mike
hmm.
00:12:46.71
Bill
I don't like going backwards Not that I don't you know, but I'm like it is it it is what it is But um that's unacceptable to me in a in a in a work level Because I need to be able to build on things and I'm like plus, you know what?
00:12:48.18
Mike
Right.
00:12:59.44
Bill
I need the fucking money I didn't say fucking to him but like I need the money and I want it
00:13:03.29
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
00:13:05.35
Bill
So my motivation is they're just like yours is but but yeah, you know, it's the cool part is ah and I like that the main thing that I like that you said, you said it before, you talked about dwelling, you know, don't sit back and dwell on your problems because cause for sleepless nights and stress and anxiety.
00:13:19.97
Mike
Right.
00:13:23.79
Bill
And then the more you stress on this shit, the worse it gets. I don't understand how that happens sometimes, but it does, right?
00:13:26.84
Mike
Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, right. You know, sometimes you just gotta kick back and and and put your feet up and have a little fun, right?
00:13:37.50
Mike
The problem's still gonna be there.
00:13:37.59
Bill
Great.
00:13:38.72
Mike
It's fine, but yes, you know, we can't ignore our problems and all that good stuff. But yeah, you know, again, dwelling on it and it's never good. um And, you know, taking the time off and go, okay, yes, this is a little bit of shit over here, but I got all this good stuff over here.
00:13:56.59
Mike
And you know, the little bit of shit will take care of itself. I will take care of it. I will do what I can to take care of it. And again, you know, 95 percent of it takes care of itself, man.
00:14:09.72
Bill
Right. Well, and ah in a couple of things I wrote down, well, first of all, in the opening about, you know, expecting otherwise, and the guy was talking about problems, problem, this problem that I didn't write down all that, but, you know, basically realizing that we're all going to have problems, it doesn't matter, you don't need to be a, you know, a fucking sober alcoholic, to or an alcoholic, or an active alcoholic, you know, just specifically to have problems, everyone does.
00:14:27.63
Mike
Right.
00:14:30.57
Bill
So expecting otherwise is a is a joke.
00:14:33.82
Mike
Right.
00:14:33.93
Bill
um Part of life I wrote down, which goes along with the same part of it. But then the the things that I wrote down after that, the first thing I wrote down after that was same process as sobriety, which which I like. in it In life in general, um hopefully if we're you know practicing these principles in all our affairs,
00:14:53.39
Mike
right
00:14:53.76
Bill
dealing with the problem, um you know, we don't necessarily have to sit down and, you know, put them through the ah physical one through 12 steps. um But we deal with life, we were taught to deal with life the same way we deal with sobriety, right?
00:15:08.78
Mike
Right, exactly.
00:15:10.10
Bill
yeah you know the And it's it's one of those things that like I know part of it talked about, you know do you need help? Do you need um you know assistance? you know Whatever the case is. But then you know thinking through, um taking up you know taking a beat as as they say, or taking a minute and thinking through what the problem is. Number one, is it truly a problem?
00:15:31.21
Mike
Right. Right. Have we built up this shit in our heads? We we never do that.
00:15:36.05
Bill
Right. That's why, that's why just as I was saying that, just like a baby laugh, because yeah, is it is it really a problem? Is it? um But then yeah, if it is, I mean, where we are, most of us, you know, we're relatively intelligent people.
00:15:51.89
Bill
We have the ability to, I wrote down, think through and decide. So you gotta think through everything.
00:15:55.71
Mike
Right.
00:15:57.08
Bill
And then you have to decide, you've gotta make a fucking decision. But biggest part, we talk about it all the time, I wrote down, take the action, you know?
00:16:01.93
Mike
Mm hmm. yeah Exactly.
00:16:06.50
Bill
Because, yeah.
00:16:07.15
Mike
Yeah. If there's something you can do to fix it, then get off your ass and do what you can to fix it. Right. And and and another, it said a couple of times, you know, talk to somebody, don't just sit there and try to do it all by yourself, man.
00:16:17.25
Bill
Right.
00:16:19.75
Mike
Another perspective is hugely important because again, you know, we built this shit up in our heads. Oh my God, this is this horrible problem. And you go talk to somebody and they look at it and you go, really?
00:16:30.93
Mike
That's your fucking problem.
00:16:32.20
Bill
Right.
00:16:34.98
Mike
Yeah.
00:16:35.38
Bill
Right.
00:16:35.52
Mike
So, you know, again, yeah, sure. yeah All the tools that we have for this sobriety shit works for pretty much every problem. And let's face it, you know, our our drunkenness and our are whatever, our trying to think of the right word, our addictions, but you know, our drunkenness, our, our highness, your highness.
00:16:56.57
Bill
heck Hi there.
00:16:58.22
Mike
Hi there. Right. What is fucking problem?
00:16:59.50
Bill
right
00:17:01.28
Mike
And we found a solution to that problem. So if we found a solution to that problem, I think we could probably find solutions to the other problems.
00:17:10.07
Bill
Right. But I mean, that's, that's just the the thing, like you said, too, and I, um and I didn't write that down, but I should have as far as, you know, um obviously help from other people, because that that is huge, you know, and like you said, but two things usually happen when well,
00:17:20.69
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:17:24.39
Bill
The old saying is what is a problem shared is a problem cut in half, right?
00:17:27.89
Mike
Right.
00:17:28.06
Bill
I think, okay.
00:17:28.71
Mike
Yep.
00:17:29.32
Bill
um Which I like. I mean, it's it's again, very simple saying and it makes sense and it's a visual type of thing in my head also.
00:17:34.63
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:17:35.00
Bill
But you know the the thing of it is is sometimes when um I'm telling somebody that either the story of what happened or you know specifically if I think it's a problem or an issue, as I'm saying it out loud, it's just fucking ridiculous.
00:17:47.86
Mike
Hmm.
00:17:48.81
Bill
I'm like, this is just, you know,
00:17:49.04
Mike
Sure.
00:17:51.21
Bill
yeah You know, when you gotta sit there and tell somebody a story, and so, no, maybe I didn't explain that right. You know what I mean, is this, and this is why, and they're just sitting there with a blank face going, uh-huh, uh-huh.
00:18:00.55
Mike
Yeah. who is That's your big problem, huh?
00:18:01.90
Bill
ah right
00:18:04.32
Mike
Okay.
00:18:05.53
Bill
So, you know, sometimes you can just talk yourself out of the problem, you know, with, which is good.
00:18:09.63
Mike
Right.
00:18:11.01
Bill
But that also goes along with that, with that 10 step, you know, at night.
00:18:13.22
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:18:14.82
Bill
And I talk out my shit, you know, if I, cause rarely am I in a situation where, you know, if I'm with other people, I don't, I don't do my 10 step, you know, in an open room, just, you know, by my, I just don't, you know?
00:18:25.02
Mike
Right. I stand in the middle of the room and do it out loud.
00:18:30.95
Bill
I'm going to bed, but I'm going to do my 10 step.
00:18:33.56
Mike
he
00:18:33.62
Bill
You guys just talk amongst yourself. So, so that motherfucker pissed me off today. I did this now, but hi I say this shit out loud and sometimes it's either reassuring me that I did something correctly or reassuring me that I did something incorrectly or that whatever I'm thinking about, it's not fucking worth it.
00:18:48.43
Mike
hey
00:18:54.92
Bill
you know But um yeah, I mean sharing that and if nothing else, even if it's not one of those huge problems,
00:18:55.08
Mike
Right.
00:19:02.08
Bill
um Somebody else you know can can take this diluted or why not diluted this built up thing that we did within our heads and they can kind of chop it into little pieces if nothing else and then we can deal with it you know that's that's all that's I think that's part of the deal or all of the deal right.
00:19:08.81
Mike
who
00:19:12.95
Mike
Right.
00:19:17.27
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So your problems aren't that fucking big.
00:19:20.97
Bill
But I mean.
00:19:24.08
Bill
Yeah, the the last thing that I wrote down was patience and acceptance. ah The word acceptance wasn't in there, but it talked something about patience and then something after that.
00:19:27.62
Mike
Hmm.
00:19:32.47
Bill
It just it popped into my head but about acceptance, which we've kind of talked about that through there.
00:19:35.88
Mike
Right.
00:19:37.62
Bill
Number one, having the patience dealing with or working through a problem. But then I i think, you know you always say it, you know that' that's some serenity shit.
00:19:46.74
Mike
Right.
00:19:48.52
Bill
Some serenity prayer shit.
00:19:50.60
Mike
Shit.
00:19:51.17
Bill
yeah
00:19:51.29
Mike
Yes. Exist. Exactly.
00:19:52.57
Bill
yeah
00:19:53.25
Mike
Yeah.
00:19:53.46
Bill
Yeah.
00:19:53.96
Mike
You know, it it really boils down to it. That's the great thing about the Serenity Prayer. I mean, it's, you know, is there something I can do about it if there isn't? Okay, then. And I need to know the goddamn difference between the two things.
00:20:07.26
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:20:07.93
Bill
Right.
00:20:08.57
Mike
Yeah. If there's something I can do about it, I better fucking do it. If there isn't anything I can do about it, then I better let it fucking go. And I need to know the difference between the two. Yeah.
00:20:17.16
Bill
right
00:20:17.82
Mike
That's everything.
00:20:18.93
Bill
Yeah, you know, just that fucking acceptance, right?
00:20:22.31
Mike
Yep.
00:20:24.11
Bill
Acceptance and patience, my two nemeses.
00:20:26.67
Mike
Never sigh.
00:20:28.09
Bill
Nemeses? Mama say nemesai?
00:20:32.07
Mike
Yes.
00:20:33.81
Bill
Nemesai, I like that. I think I'm gonna forget that, but I like it.
00:20:37.83
Mike
to the
00:20:40.13
Bill
So, but no, I mean, I like that. Other than that, anything else from the reading? I mean, it was a good one, but anything else?
00:20:46.19
Mike
Yeah. No, I think that's, uh, it's about it, man. You know, yes, we're going to have problems.
00:20:50.28
Bill
Okay.
00:20:52.16
Mike
Um, guess what? You're gonna have problems and having a problem. Isn't a problem in itself. Cause that's just fucking life.
00:20:58.11
Bill
Right. Yeah, that that it is. Just because we get sober, you know, it's not all ah fucking strawberries and orgasms. I think I heard somebody say it any time we have a chance to say that.
00:21:06.06
Mike
That's right.
00:21:10.95
Mike
this smell No, it is not.
00:21:11.46
Bill
yeah That's not a problem. So, um in and obviously again, we had the guest last week. I don't remember if we brought it up the week before, but we're in August now and obviously your radio gig is at the end of the month.
00:21:25.04
Mike
Ah, yes.
00:21:25.05
Bill
So, ah you know, I thought about it the other day too, because I want to obviously want to do a post on Instagram, but I was kind of, this week I was, I don't know, I had my mind on a couple of other things, but you know, kind of waiting to see if you were going to put something up on Facebook, but then I have a post like I did last year, I could just change the,
00:21:38.81
Mike
Hmm.
00:21:42.67
Bill
the dates on it. We had that nice little black handbook post that I did for you that you liked, but either way, so let let everyone know again what we're but we're rambling about.
00:21:44.03
Mike
Yeah.
00:21:49.57
Mike
Hehehehe.
00:21:51.71
Bill
yeah
00:21:52.97
Mike
Well, there's a college radio station here in Cleveland at WJCU. It's the John Carroll University radio station. um that The university funds about a third of the budget and the rest is up to the community. I am a sober member of the community today. So I am part of that and I donate to their ah causes and I get the pleasure and and yeah, you know, I get to go on the air for a couple hours and play my horrible music and and you have to listen to me because I have a microphone and you have to listen to every goddamn word that I say.
00:22:30.53
Mike
um
00:22:32.41
Bill
it's mandatory.
00:22:33.77
Mike
That's right. um Anyway, yes, so in a couple of weeks, I will be going on the Metal on Metal radio show on WJCU, which is the longest running heavy metal radio show in the world. ah This is the 40, I wanna say third year. God, i I should probably look that up. Anyway, ah well, no, let's see, 1982, so 42nd year.
00:22:59.92
Mike
um Yeah, anyway, Bill Peters, great guy, helps community, good dude, has been doing it since 1982. And yeah, I get to go be a part of that. So that's what's up. That's on August 30th. Seven, well, the show starts at 6.30. I will do the last two hours. So I will start at 7.30 Eastern time, wjcu dot.org. There is an app, it's on TuneIn.
00:23:28.49
Mike
Um, yeah, wjcu.org. You can listen live, stream it there. And if you're here in Cleveland, it's 88.7 FM on your radio dial.
00:23:38.89
Bill
Cool. Yeah. And we're going to be, um, and like I said, we'll put together there something to post that Instagram, but, um, we still have, if, if anyone forgets the the name of the radio station or anything like that, remember our, our website, so we're not mature, go to our sponsor page.
00:23:53.53
Bill
Scroll down. i'm I'm going to move that up. Even if I forget to do that, it's towards the bottom, but you'll see it said Mike's radio gig or something like that.
00:23:55.71
Mike
here
00:24:00.35
Bill
You can click right through to the radio station. So.
00:24:02.53
Mike
Nope.
00:24:02.99
Bill
um It's easy, but but yeah, I figured that yeah, I mean shit. I mean, it's the what day is it today? Oh my god It's a 15th already Jesus Yeah, so ah well, yeah probably good timing then because then you know next week we got dr.
00:24:09.52
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's a two weeks from tomorrow.
00:24:16.66
Bill
Sarah on and then that's good so but um ah Right
00:24:16.81
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. And the reason I have been posting is I am the last one. Um, as always, Bill always says, I, he says it's the best for last. Um, so that's right.
00:24:27.65
Mike
Stroke my ego. Um, but there are other throughout the summer, there are other people that donated in our guest DJs.
00:24:30.47
Bill
yeah
00:24:35.58
Mike
So I don't want to step on their toes and fled. So I don't start until after the last one has done their shift, then I'll start promoting mine.
00:24:45.38
Bill
Oh, really? Okay, see, I didn't I didn't realize that I didn't realize you waited towards the end like that.
00:24:46.30
Mike
Yeah.
00:24:49.77
Bill
But so your choice.
00:24:50.15
Mike
Yeah.
00:24:51.58
Bill
I mean, if you want me to do you want me to wait till that last week to put it up on Instagram, because it'll hit Facebook, too. Doesn't matter to me.
00:24:56.60
Mike
Yeah, sure. Yeah, that works.
00:24:57.67
Bill
Okay. Okay, yeah, remind me. But um cool, yeah, it just, ah I have the note on here, so I've been meaning to bring it up, but if you don't get in last week, obviously we had John on, which, ah by the way, I mean that, I don't know, we, thank you again, you know, if John, if you happen to, for whatever reason, you happen to listen to something other than yourself, no, we really did, we appreciate it having you on and,
00:25:12.28
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:25:20.23
Bill
um I got a hold of Elise at the at the sober curator and she threw that one up there and she'll end up Throwing dr.
00:25:25.11
Mike
Cool.
00:25:26.63
Bill
Sarah's episode up there too. But and yeah as a reminder, we're we're sober curators.
00:25:28.12
Mike
Sure.
00:25:31.20
Bill
So sober cure the sober curator calm We've got a whole page and section and we got a bunch of shit that we've done on there, too So ah support the sober curator, but yeah, so she's getting a little bit extra play over over at the sober curator, too.
00:25:44.76
Bill
So
00:25:45.44
Mike
Cool.
00:25:46.24
Bill
Yeah, exactly. So, um, all right. So a couple of, a couple of quick things. So I finally, um, I think it was, was it, I forget what it was now that I finished. Did I tell you I finished Dennis Dunaway's book.
00:25:58.31
Mike
No.
00:25:58.96
Bill
Okay, so I did and I like I said through throughout the entire um book, you know, however many hours it was and over probably a couple of months that I listened to it, you know, with the traveling and stuff.
00:26:04.72
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:26:10.68
Bill
um I didn't necessarily i know I brought up little things here and there to you, but he was just um his ah It was just a lot of fun to listen to you know it was it was interesting you know cuz here's the funny part I think I knew well I didn't think I knew a little bit about the band a little bit about obviously Vince and Alice Cooper and that sort of thing
00:26:17.82
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:26:33.58
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:26:34.66
Bill
I learned a hell of a lot more from the time I met you.
00:26:36.46
Mike
Sure. Right?
00:26:38.06
Bill
um And I knew who Dennis Dunaway was just because of you.
00:26:39.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:26:41.18
Bill
I knew who Blue Coop was just because of you.
00:26:41.38
Mike
Uh-huh. Right.
00:26:43.95
Bill
Some of the things I heard throughout that i I'm like, Oh yeah, I talked about that or this and that, you know, so things that I learned and, you know, throughout there, you know, from you.
00:26:48.30
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:26:53.06
Bill
Um, so it was, it was nice to have that little bit of, of it, but I wouldn't have needed it. I mean, the story itself, I wasn't necessarily a huge Alice Cooper group fan. Not that I didn't like hate, whatever.
00:27:03.27
Mike
Right.
00:27:04.82
Bill
I was middle of the road, you know, with the music and whatever, but, um, I didn't know shit about all this stuff they went through and, you know, about the, you know, the breakup and how they broke up and all that stuff and, you know, this and that.
00:27:06.21
Mike
Sure.
00:27:13.77
Mike
Uh huh.
00:27:16.27
Bill
And when, you know, they, i i don't know all the band members and all that the shit and oh the glenn the whole thing with glenn that's what i want now again knew a little bit about him because of you i knew he was i know he was dead because of you because you picture in front of his grave from years ago when you visited that
00:27:22.31
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:27:28.79
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:27:32.88
Mike
Right.
00:27:33.92
Bill
so i mean i know all that stuff i just didn't know how he died and i'm like i'm like that was fucking tragic and you know but the thing of it is is through throughout the it was almost like foreshadowing throughout the entire thing you know when they kept talking about you know they were talking about alice's drinking and his drinking now we i knew that alice got sober so i mean you know ah i knew that
00:27:40.07
Mike
Yeah.
00:27:53.95
Mike
Right.
00:27:55.58
Bill
um Ultimately, I didn't know again, didn't know how or how bad or whatever, but I knew he did and all that stuff. But I didn't know Glenn's story.
00:28:02.60
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:28:02.67
Bill
But then yeah, I mean, that final bout, it was pneumonia, you know, that that I finally took him out, you know, but I didn't know he was engaged and about to be married.
00:28:05.62
Mike
Yeah, right.
00:28:10.78
Mike
Yeah.
00:28:11.05
Bill
And I'm just like, man, he, you know, I mean, he, he lived a life of one of us, you know, one of us, you know, sober or people that had, you know, an addiction problem, um you know, but did years and years and years of fucking horrible abuse to his body.
00:28:14.28
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:28:19.30
Mike
Right.
00:28:23.74
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:28:24.50
Bill
And then, you know, I mean, they caught up to him and fucked him, you know?
00:28:27.24
Mike
Well, yeah, yeah, that'll happen.
00:28:31.89
Bill
Right. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, you know, again, not, it was one of those things where, I mean, yeah, that's, that's what, that's what we do. Right. You know, that's what us people do, but, uh, you know, it just did it.
00:28:39.94
Mike
Mm-hmm
00:28:41.60
Bill
Yeah. Kind of it sucked a little bit. You know, I finally got his shit together. And again, you know, in this small little town, I can't remember where it was now. Where was he?
00:28:48.76
Mike
I use Iowa Claritin
00:28:50.50
Bill
Oh, yeah. yeah
00:28:53.54
Mike
Iowa and it is it's a little tiny town. That's where he's buried. I ah Yeah, i I happened to be in that area and had the time and I stopped at his grave.
00:28:57.38
Bill
Right.
00:29:04.52
Mike
Yeah, I um in the middle of fucking winter, man.
00:29:10.12
Mike
Yeah, little tiny town in like northeastern Iowa, if I recall correctly. Yeah, you know, just nothing.
00:29:15.43
Bill
Okay.
00:29:18.19
Mike
Yeah, if you just ended up there.
00:29:18.25
Bill
Right.
00:29:21.00
Bill
Yeah, and it was just it was funny when the whole Iowa thing and then you know when they talked about that, I'm like, I'm like, fuck that. Because I remember, that again, some of these memories were coming back from when you shared that shit with me, you know some of the the stories, but you know just hearing little things.
00:29:33.84
Bill
But then I remember, yeah, you that I remember the picture. I could i could picture the picture.
00:29:39.41
Mike
Right.
00:29:39.58
Bill
you know if you Of you standing in front of that fucking grave, I didn't remember if it was in the middle of winter.
00:29:42.61
Mike
Right.
00:29:44.19
Bill
but But yeah, it was just, I don't know, the the book itself, it was it was good. um You know, same thing, as I said, you know, with every of these, all these other books that I've listened to, not all of those, the other books, but you know what I mean, is that um you don't even necessarily have to be into
00:29:51.01
Mike
Right.
00:30:01.38
Bill
Alice Cooper is a group or any one of the band members If you're kind of into that, you know hearing a story of somebody living a rock and roll lifestyle from somebody's point of view Then where they you know, this this rags to riches nothing to to something um Growth and in fun and all the shit that goes on in between it.
00:30:03.84
Mike
right
00:30:09.26
Mike
right
00:30:14.08
Mike
Right.
00:30:18.56
Bill
Listen to the book Or read it, you know, I I'd fall I'd fall asleep.
00:30:19.73
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:30:22.73
Bill
I can't I can't read anymore for pleasure I just get too fucking tired, but I like I i love audiobooks.
00:30:25.12
Mike
Well.
00:30:28.79
Bill
I I enjoy the fuck out of them. So yeah
00:30:30.72
Mike
but Right.
00:30:31.84
Bill
It was just it was good.
00:30:32.08
Mike
Yeah. A good, yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, Dennis is a wonderful storyteller. So yeah.
00:30:36.76
Bill
Right.
00:30:37.57
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. It's good. Good book, man. And like rock and roll or you don't fucking listen to it. It's a good story. Might learn, you might learn something.
00:30:45.59
Bill
Yeah, get you never know, right? But no, I just, I really did. I really enjoyed it. So, um all right.
00:30:50.56
Mike
Good.
00:30:52.43
Bill
So a couple of quick things and we haven't talked since I went up to Marquette, Michigan.
00:30:56.74
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:30:57.09
Bill
um First of all, i'll I'll tell you again, thank you, you know, for suggesting it.
00:31:01.77
Mike
Yes.
00:31:01.94
Bill
um And again, because the the the day after that or whatever it was, I don't i don't remember what it was when I and went to a couple of places still in Wisconsin, wonderful trails and kind of, you know, short but difficult type of thing kind of crawling into these little places.
00:31:06.95
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:31:15.79
Bill
um But I tell you what, so well, two things, and I know you know this, but it it kind of blew my mind.
00:31:17.99
Mike
Hmm.
00:31:20.56
Bill
So I left really early in the morning, whatever time it was, not really early, but early-ish. You know, it was like an hour and 40 minutes or 45 minutes up there. So I'm you know heading into Michigan, I'm driving north, and I think it was, it might've been on the Waze app, because I don't think there was a sign on the road that I was on, but all of a sudden it says Eastern Time Zone.
00:31:40.79
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:31:41.02
Bill
And I'm like, what, wait, what? I mean, it it literally, it like fucked with my mind, because I'm going straight north from the Central Time Zone.
00:31:52.73
Bill
I'm like, how the fuck did I just end up in the Eastern Time Zone?
00:31:55.88
Mike
and
00:31:58.28
Bill
um But yeah, I mean, it's that when you get into the Upper Peninsula like that, there's like this this little corner that you know goes around Wisconsin and I think probably maybe into Minnesota, whatever it is over in that area.
00:31:59.15
Mike
Right.
00:32:09.95
Bill
It's just this little curve of the Central Time Zone
00:32:10.13
Mike
right
00:32:12.45
Mike
Yeah. Well, I hate to disappoint all the flat earthers out there, but the earth is curved.
00:32:18.87
Bill
No, I know, I know. But but it's just the way the way the time zone is is drawn, you know? um So it it kind of it kind of like loops up or or circles up, like half circles up into into Michigan.
00:32:29.87
Bill
But it fucking blew my mind. I'm like, fuck, I'm in the Eastern time zone.
00:32:33.19
Mike
Right.
00:32:33.46
Bill
um And again, just stupidity. I've never really paid attention. you know Well, I've never been there.
00:32:38.03
Mike
right
00:32:38.37
Bill
So I went up there and at this park, I went to this Prisk Isle, Prisk, Prisk Isle Park.
00:32:44.97
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:32:45.07
Bill
um Highly recommended. The only thing is, it's a, it's a full fledged marina, picnic park, walk park, all this. It's very busy. The swimming area, people jumping off of bluffs and shit like that.
00:32:57.52
Mike
Right.
00:32:57.65
Bill
um Busier than I would have liked. I, when I go on these hikes and stuff like that, I would rather just either be by myself or be with less people. It's more peaceful for me.
00:33:05.38
Mike
Well, if you go in January, I'll pretty much guarantee you.
00:33:11.73
Bill
that's ah That's a good point. that was in In my head as I'm driving around up there, I'm like, there's no fucking way I'd want to be up here in the wintertime. And even walking around, because it was spectacular, it was beautiful. But here's the other weird part, I told Kathy about it, because she knows the guy. So I pull into this park, and you know the GPS kind of runs you into this thing. I'm like, I'll just end in this road whenever I stop one place at this overlook. And the first thing I looked at, same thing, I'm just like,
00:33:38.56
Bill
I'm like, fuck me because it's just so beautiful and get back in my car and I'm driving down and then the the road is just lined with cars parked, you know, and I'm like, where's the fucking parking lot?
00:33:42.87
Mike
Right, right right.
00:33:49.06
Bill
You know, because I'm like, where's the parking lot? Where's the the entrance to the trail, which usually they call the trailhead, right?
00:33:55.52
Mike
Right.
00:33:55.85
Bill
So I mean, I i don't know where I'm. So I'm like, whatever. i All these people are parking. I just pull up. I'm like, I'll fucking figure it out, right? so I pull off the road and I look and I'm Looking around like I'm trying to get my I had no reception in this area You know, so I can't I can't pull up my map or anything like that So I'm like I'm like that fucking I'll figure it out put on my bug spray and whatever and I'm not even paying attention You know, I look to to the passenger side of my car.
00:34:08.98
Mike
hey
00:34:20.10
Bill
There's people walking literally that the trail is just runs along the road. I mean, there's trees all along there.
00:34:25.52
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:34:27.17
Bill
But it runs along this whole place. And then I'm like, Oh, so you can enter it at any point.
00:34:29.32
Mike
Right.
00:34:31.80
Bill
And I'm like, Oh, you fucking dumbass. I'm like, I don't know. You know, so get myself all set.
00:34:34.51
Mike
right
00:34:36.60
Bill
and And I walk, you know, through this opening. And, you know, I was just about to walk to the like the edge bar to take my like first picture and take a peek. And somebody's like, Bill, and I'm like, hmm.
00:34:46.49
Mike
but
00:34:47.46
Bill
And then they they like say my last name. And then I'm like, Who the fuck is this dude, you know?
00:34:53.09
Mike
Right.
00:34:54.47
Bill
And he's like, this is Jeff. And then says his last name, it's a dude that used to live across the street from me when we lived in Wales when we were in high school.
00:35:01.29
Mike
Hmm. Wow.
00:35:03.44
Bill
Yeah, in the middle of fucking Marquette, Michigan, right?
00:35:05.82
Mike
Right.
00:35:05.84
Bill
So um two things. I mean, he lives in like Ashland, Wisconsin, which I think is around Niagara where I was staying whenever I think he said that. But um him and his wife, he was there with his wife.
00:35:15.87
Bill
His kids were a little bit farther ahead. I think he's got teenage kids or maybe a little bit older.
00:35:18.53
Mike
Right.
00:35:20.17
Bill
um We're sitting there talking for a minute. First of all, Kathy was friends with him on Facebook. I hadn't been friends with him on Facebook. Not for any reason, I just wasn't.
00:35:28.30
Mike
right
00:35:29.28
Bill
Not a fucking chance in the world. you could have He could have stood there and said, guess who I am and I would still be there because I i don't know.
00:35:36.52
Mike
Right. a Right.
00:35:38.87
Bill
I don't know who you are. But he recognized me from, ah you know he said from Facebook, at but but at one point he's like, he goes, God, he goes, you look the same. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, I'm older, but you know I've had a lot of people that recognize me from high school.
00:35:52.31
Bill
I mean, I was kind of a baby face looking thing and I'm older now, but you know all it is, i'm I'm a little bit thicker and a little bit older, a few more wrinkles. you know I mean, I think you can still pick out the guy in me.
00:36:00.77
Mike
Right.
00:36:02.63
Bill
you know he didn't yeah He didn't look the same, you know so um but I had a nice conversation.
00:36:03.03
Mike
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Right.
00:36:08.13
Bill
you know They're asking, oh, what are you doing up here? So I was telling them back and forth, but blah, blah, blah. It didn't come up that I was sober and I wasn't gonna be like, hey, by the way,
00:36:14.24
Mike
That right.
00:36:14.61
Bill
ah yeah I look the same as because I stopped drinking 14 years ago.
00:36:18.44
Mike
yeah Cool.
00:36:20.28
Bill
um But but now it was actually really nice and his wife was really nice. And, you know, after we're we were talking for a minute, she thought like, yeah, you know, I said, have a good time, whatever. And she's like, she's like, Oh, my God, she goes, enjoy all your travel and enjoy your life.
00:36:33.47
Bill
I'm like, I said, I just got to say this real quick. I said, I wouldn't be able to do this if I If I actually had like someplace to go home to, I said, I have, I have no home.
00:36:41.12
Mike
ya
00:36:43.13
Bill
I have no apartment, no mortgage, no rent, no utilities.
00:36:46.24
Mike
Right.
00:36:47.23
Bill
I'm like, unless I made a ton of freaking money, I said, that's the only reason I could do this.
00:36:49.79
Mike
Right.
00:36:51.25
Bill
But I said, I made that choice when I said, I gave up everything. I can go hang with Kathy or, you know, my buddy Mike or do whatever.
00:36:55.24
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:36:57.24
Bill
But, um, but I'm like, no, I don't have a home. That's the only reason I can afford to do this shit. Cause you can almost see the look on her face. And I wasn't bragging. She was asking questions. I was telling stories, you know,
00:37:07.42
Mike
Sure.
00:37:08.99
Bill
but I didn't want to I didn't want to kind of come across be like yeah I can afford to travel everywhere no I can't I can't I can't yeah
00:37:11.71
Mike
Yeah. That's right. No. You're a hobo riding the rails.
00:37:20.77
Bill
um ah I'm a fucking homeless, I'm happily homeless by choice.
00:37:25.14
Mike
Right. You're a hobo.
00:37:25.99
Bill
And I'm just, yeah, exactly, yeah. i just have a I just have a car and I don't have to necessarily ride the rails, that's it.
00:37:32.53
Mike
Right.
00:37:32.49
Bill
But um but yeah, it was weird though.
00:37:33.20
Mike
It's it.
00:37:36.28
Bill
I mean, like I said, it's just how how fucking random,
00:37:38.88
Mike
No doubt.
00:37:38.98
Bill
And literally with all those in all those different cars and where I could have parked and just, again, chance, you know, ah exact chance.
00:37:43.77
Mike
Yeah.
00:37:46.30
Mike
All right.
00:37:46.42
Bill
He just happened to look as I was walking through because he easily could have just been not been paying attention. I've been looking at the water. He never would have saw me. I probably would have been walking behind him for 15 minutes and wouldn't know.
00:37:57.38
Mike
That's cool.
00:37:58.70
Bill
But don no, it was it was so beautiful. And I finally found an area where there weren't that many people. So I was you know taking pictures and shit over there. But then I went to one other place, which was which was really nice. um I was just like, fuck, man.
00:38:10.77
Bill
I was so glad I took the time. And that's what I said. I want to thank you again for...
00:38:14.76
Mike
ah
00:38:15.25
Bill
you know for mentioning that i' I'm actually doing it so I'm going to North Carolina this Saturday and I had two weeks mapped out then I started I messaged the guy and I said that third week I said could you give me the same rate so he did so I just booked the third week today um so I'm gonna be down there from the Saturday through ah September 7th
00:38:36.01
Mike
Cool.
00:38:37.11
Bill
Yeah, so that's the one that's the little cabin on the woods type of thing. And um here's the other, so if you get a drive in, I need to get a haircut. And my story that I'll tell in a minute prevented me from getting a haircut on Sunday.
00:38:48.32
Bill
So I kind look for where I'm staying to go get, I just go to Great Clips. I mean, I don't give a fuck, you know?
00:38:54.23
Mike
Right.
00:38:54.56
Bill
And the Great Clips is like a fucking hour away, you know? I'm like, God damn it. so i'm like i gotta to get my haircut this week before i leave but then i start looking around there's a national forest not too far from franklin north carolina where i get away with my haircut so i'm like fucking i'm gonna go drive an hour to get my haircut on sunday and i'm gonna go visit some shit
00:39:15.26
Mike
nice
00:39:16.45
Bill
Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. It's just um once again, your suggestion and, you know, going up there and spending time with the kids when I was up there was great.
00:39:24.28
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:39:24.24
Bill
It was just it was really wonderful. It was it was a nice area.
00:39:26.05
Mike
Good.
00:39:27.08
Bill
um Again, when I wouldn't want to be within I wouldn't want to be any farther because I've been in Green Bay.
00:39:32.70
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:39:33.42
Bill
I've been in Eau Claire and Chippewa Falls in the wintertime.
00:39:37.24
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:39:37.36
Bill
It's fucking brutal.
00:39:38.61
Mike
Yep.
00:39:38.58
Bill
I wouldn't want to be any anywhere in that area in the wintertime. Not a goddamn chance. But that is when you were there. Right. Wintertime. Now I remember.
00:39:45.86
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um I was, you know, whatever.
00:39:47.99
Bill
yeah
00:39:49.00
Mike
Seven years older. Oh, yeah. I mean, I, I remember, I remember, you know, bundling up to walk, you know, whatever it was probably a quarter of a mile or whatever to, you know, the bus stop or school or whatever the hell I was walking to.
00:40:04.13
Bill
yeah
00:40:04.63
Mike
Um, yeah, but I remember it was like, you know, literally 15 below zero, 17 below zero. Yeah.
00:40:14.28
Mike
It was a, it was an adventure.
00:40:16.73
Bill
Yeah. And I mean, even as a, as a kid, you know, I remember being a kid, a shit it kid in Cleveland, you know, I mean, it was the amount of the amount of snow that we used to get out there and, you know, all that stuff.
00:40:22.12
Mike
Right?
00:40:26.72
Bill
And, uh, I mean, it's, it's all this stuff is more fun when you're a child, but not when it's 17 below.
00:40:27.33
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:40:32.97
Bill
Yes. I don't care how, I don't care how young you are or certainly how old you are. That is no fun. Oh, in the fucking leaves are starting to fall off Kathy's trees here. I'm like, I need to get the fuck out of here.
00:40:43.46
Mike
Yeah.
00:40:43.67
Bill
hey I need to find some fucking warm ass weather, but no I mean my I still want to go I still want to try to find someplace in West Virginia for like October all fall shit But I don't know we gotta figure we figure out holidays and all that stuff too, but that's for another time But I don't know but anyhow I'm having i haven' fun doing that shit still and being being hobo ish hobo homeless I'll be hobo homeless All right, so I don't know fuck it.
00:40:53.67
Mike
Yeah, right.
00:41:07.09
Mike
excuse with me
00:41:13.10
Bill
What do you think break time?
00:41:14.40
Mike
Yeah, I think so. I believe so.
00:41:15.76
Bill
and Okay.
00:41:16.80
Mike
All right. Well, we'll be right back with more.
00:41:20.14
Bill
yeah All righty then, welcome back everyone.
00:41:20.94
Mike
I don't even know sober, not mature right after these words from our sponsor.
00:41:37.66
Bill
yes ah You're like, I don't even doaf i didn't even know what I'm doing.
00:41:39.73
Mike
I don't, it's, you it's been a week.
00:41:42.44
Bill
yeah
00:41:44.64
Mike
Yup.
00:41:44.88
Bill
Yeah, it has. So do you have a story about your week or it's just been a week?
00:41:50.37
Mike
It's just been a week. Um, I dunno, man. Yesterday, yesterday was the 14th, right? Okay. So I'm listening to a podcast. Um, one of the podcasts I listened to, which is like just a normal one. I don't listen to those goddamn sober things like this.
00:42:04.33
Mike
Um, anyway, um, they were, they were talking about, there was some survey done by some travel, something or other. And, um, the worst traffic day, the most dangerous traffic day in the country, you know, they put all these factors together and, um, apparently it's August 7th.
00:42:23.54
Mike
So yeah, I don't know.
00:42:23.53
Bill
Really?
00:42:25.44
Mike
Right. um So yesterday was August 14th. And I went, yeah, it seems about right. Cleveland's about a week behind everybody else because there was just fucking wrecks everywhere.
00:42:37.22
Mike
there so but There was more traffic on the road, more stupidity. Yesterday was just fucking awful. I mean, i you know, I'm local now. I don't deal with a lot of stuff. And I was stuck in four traffic jams yesterday. I mean, at one of them was horrendous. I actually missed it. I went around it. um A friend of mine posted on Facebook yesterday. He was stuck in it for two and a half hours.
00:43:03.80
Bill
Oh my god dude.
00:43:04.65
Mike
Yeah, yeah, so yeah 480 here in Cleveland There was a wreck car turned over cup multi-vehicle. They shut it down i Yeah, I mean I it took me an extra 45 minutes to get to where I needed to go because I went around the fucking thing on surface streets um Yeah yesterday was just horrendous today was a little better, but not much so Mm
00:43:27.55
Bill
Hmm. I wonder, I mean, but I wonder, August 7th, do you think people are just, I mean, trying to like, okay, it's almost end of summer, kids are starting to get back to school, everyone's piling out.
00:43:31.55
Mike
-hmm
00:43:35.03
Mike
Right.
00:43:37.60
Bill
I mean, that would make a little bit of sense, but I don't know, just a weird, it seems like a weird day on the calendar to be, to be that, you know?
00:43:39.96
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I, again, don't know, but right. And again, I just, I looked around and went, yeah, we're about a week behind all the cool kids. So.
00:43:55.10
Bill
Right. Yeah, that's it. It's been um ah yeah I I've gotten so lucky. Well, even coming back from from Wisconsin and I got like when I was talking to Kimmy when I when I told her I was coming down to like Ali's thing and I'm like, you know, I drove two hours there and two hours back and
00:44:10.73
Mike
Right.
00:44:10.89
Bill
And she's like, she's like, you know what? I, we're were first setting all that stuff up when I was going to be up there. She's like, you still have to try two hours. But I'm like, this is two hours of Wisconsin, Northern Wisconsin driving.
00:44:21.48
Mike
Right.
00:44:22.39
Bill
I said, this isn't two hours of driving from fucking Indiana through Chicago to Wisconsin. I said, that's, that's painful. And that could, that could change in, you know, in, in the blink of an eye, you know, I'm not saying that somebody can't hit a fucking cow or something like that.
00:44:30.23
Mike
Right.
00:44:33.49
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:44:37.72
Bill
Or you somebody piles into a deer, plenty of, oh I almost hit at least five different times in that three week period, almost hit deer.
00:44:44.41
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:44:45.26
Bill
You know, I mean, they're, I mean, they're fucking everywhere.
00:44:45.45
Mike
Nice.
00:44:47.05
Bill
I wasn't going like, well, two times I was one, once in Michigan and once, I think probably heading back from Appleton, you know, a few of them ran across the road while I was doing like, you know, so
00:44:47.42
Mike
Right.
00:44:50.32
Mike
he
00:44:56.78
Bill
fifty five sixty whatever
00:44:57.96
Mike
Right.
00:44:58.71
Bill
but um so but there's a difference you know you get around the metropolitan area just you don't know what's going to fucking have four eighty s a mess
00:45:05.13
Mike
Right. Right.
00:45:06.07
Bill
it's always been a mess
00:45:06.39
Mike
Right. Yep. Yeah.
00:45:08.82
Bill
but um
00:45:08.98
Mike
It still is.
00:45:11.21
Bill
Yeah, and that's where that's where I worked. That first first real job, I had to work out in Rocky River and um almost ah inadvertently I would go in, I would leave really early to make sure that you know I didn't hit that that traffic going in and usually I'd be okay.
00:45:16.20
Mike
Yep.
00:45:24.47
Bill
But but coming back, there was a meeting, that meeting that I used to hit the Sahara Club.
00:45:28.31
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:45:28.81
Bill
and on Tuesdays, which wasn't that far.
00:45:30.02
Mike
Yeah.
00:45:31.50
Bill
And I think the meeting started at 5.30.
00:45:31.59
Mike
Right.
00:45:33.76
Bill
And I mean, I would sometimes literally be walking in like right as the meeting start. It shouldn't take me a fucking half hour to get there you know from Rocky River.
00:45:39.86
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
00:45:42.77
Bill
But yeah, fucking 480. So but yeah so that was your that was your big thing, your traffic nightmare, huh?
00:45:48.83
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. You know, just whatever it's, yeah, it's been a, it's been a busy week. Oh, there was some other wacky shit too, but it, you know, it was several days ago and I'm not going to dwell on the past.
00:45:59.89
Bill
No dwelling, a no dwell zone.
00:46:00.86
Mike
No dwelling.
00:46:02.46
Bill
Okay, well, i'll tell I'll tell my quick story too, and I will make this quick. The the story itself is is pretty basic. So last, and this started actually last Friday, um I had a little bit of a, almost like a little bit of ah a soreness on a tooth last Friday.
00:46:16.11
Mike
Oh.
00:46:16.05
Bill
um Even when we were recording last Friday night, it was like a little eating pizza last last Friday. It was a little gingerly doing it. And it was just weird. I mean, I'm like, okay, maybe I bit on something wrong, blah, blah, blah. And then Friday night, it got like really bad. I mean, fucking painful. um Didn't sleep well on Friday night, drove back here, but to the point where it's like Friday night, I'm like, I may just need to find a fucking dentist tomorrow morning before I leave when I was up there. But drove back here, Saturday night was a fucking beast too. And then i had I had tweaked my, and I do it all the time. i My wrists like a carpal tunnel thing, but sometimes I'll i'll tweak them, load my car in and out, you know?
00:46:52.24
Mike
Right.
00:46:52.65
Bill
It doesn't happen every time, but when it does, it I'll deal with it for a couple of days. So I'm dealing, I got a sore fucking wrist that's throbbing, my mouth hurts. So Sunday morning I get up and I'm like, I'm going to try to find a dentist. But long story short here, um the pain, this is this is worst pain that I've had, um I think 10 years ago. that First year I was in Wisconsin, so 11 years ago.
00:47:15.58
Bill
I had the same thing happen had a tooth issue. um This type of pain, and I've so I've had that twice in the last whatever it is 1011 years, and um excruciating, and I mean I have a, I do have a high tolerance for pain I don't, I don't complain about a lot if I hurt myself plenty of times and um I could deal with it but
00:47:32.11
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:47:34.50
Bill
On Sunday, I'm calling around and just as a is ah is a side note, I don't think there's really anything. um I don't think the emergency dental care doesn't doesn't exist.
00:47:46.00
Mike
Not really.
00:47:46.06
Bill
Everyone says it. Everyone says it does. it you know Google says it does.
00:47:48.45
Mike
Hmm.
00:47:50.22
Bill
Everyone does. Call us.
00:47:52.12
Mike
Oh, it's on the Internet, so it must be true.
00:47:52.15
Bill
you know Yeah, but it's not just one or two people. It's like fucking every nobody was there So um my my point there and the reason I was I was kind of getting up to this is it was like I finally I was gonna call urgent care and see if there's anything I what can I do, you know And the ladies like cause she's like you can come in.
00:47:57.37
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:48:09.52
Bill
She said worst case if it's some sort of an inflammation She goes we can give you an antibiotic and we give you pain medication I'm like well I said I've been sober for 14 years man I'm like I can't take a pain medic can't take pain medication so it is what it is I'll wait till tomorrow so I went and saw that it's not Monday blah blah blah this and that so um but the point was that I and this is my question so
00:48:23.66
Mike
Right.
00:48:30.78
Bill
if If I would have been, and we talk about tools and all that stuff we talked about in the reading, I know for a fact that had I not had the the foundation and the time and everything around me, I would have done anything, drank anything, and taken anything to take away that pain.
00:48:33.12
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:48:46.29
Mike
Sure.
00:48:46.50
Bill
that i know that i know for a fucking fact because that's how fucking bad it was um you know but the uh so part of it was like fuck i mean when i was if i was drinking that's what i would have done i would have just drank enough to numb myself out figuring that you know blackout sleep is better than disruptive sleep you know when you're when you're like i was like i'd rather be blacked out and get whatever at least i don't remember it you know
00:48:48.43
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:48:58.47
Mike
Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. Right.
00:49:11.24
Bill
you know but So my question was, and have you since you've been sober ever been, and I'm not saying I didn't want to drink it.
00:49:16.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:49:18.75
Bill
It wasn't it it wasn't a fucking trigger for me. If anyone's thinking that I was triggered to drink, it wasn't. It was just a point where I realized that if I didn't if i didn't know, I'd have to talk myself down off a ledge or anything like that.
00:49:23.91
Mike
Right.
00:49:30.73
Mike
Ah.
00:49:30.95
Bill
But I i knew for a fucking fact, if I didn't have the foundation, and the tools that I do, I didn't even have to play the tape here.
00:49:35.04
Mike
Mm
00:49:36.91
Bill
Because I know it's it it didn't even get to that point. you know
00:49:39.42
Mike
-hmm.
00:49:39.77
Bill
um but But have you ever felt like, fuck, a drink would help? But if i if I didn't have the tools that would have happened type of thing, have you ever been, had that type of pain?
00:49:49.24
Mike
Oh, yeah, absolutely. All the fucking time. um No.
00:49:54.04
Bill
ah
00:49:56.01
Mike
um i Yeah. Shit. a Couple of years ago, my shoulder was jacked up and and I mean, it was I i wasn't sleeping. um I mean, and this went on for. Way longer than it should have um like six weeks seven weeks something like that.
00:50:11.14
Mike
I mean I seriously yeah I was you know I'd sleep for maybe half an hour and then I'd be awake for an hour and I'd sleep for half an hour I mean cuz it hurt so fucking bad.
00:50:11.51
Bill
Oh, wow.
00:50:20.44
Mike
I couldn't sleep um yeah You know, Oh, of course. Right. Yeah. Drugs and fixes, you know? Yeah.
00:50:26.79
Bill
hey Right.
00:50:27.00
Mike
Booze and fixes. Absolutely. Um, but yeah, it wasn't, like you said, it wasn't even, didn't even have to play the tape through.
00:50:29.16
Bill
Right.
00:50:33.77
Mike
It's just, it wasn't a fucking option. Um, I, I dealt with it, you know, I put.
00:50:35.87
Bill
Right.
00:50:39.33
Mike
topical stuff on it and I was, you know, eating ibuprofen like it was candy and um, you know, which helped a little and then whatever and heating pads and you know, I got fucking through it, you know, um, yeah, you know, no, uh, it's yes, you know, Jesus, it's always a fucking option stuff. My toe. It's an option.
00:50:59.46
Bill
Right.
00:50:59.73
Mike
You know, some idiot cuts me off in traffic. It's a fucking option. Uh, but it's not thankfully. So yeah, you know, yes, I've been in, I've been in physical pain, uh, to the point where goddamn, you know, did yes, something would help, but would it, you know, it's, it's temporary.
00:51:06.56
Bill
right
00:51:16.19
Bill
Right.
00:51:18.37
Mike
Like it always has been and always will be. It's a temporary fix to a fucking temporary problem.
00:51:25.95
Bill
Right.
00:51:26.84
Mike
Basically.
00:51:26.96
Bill
Yeah.
00:51:27.53
Mike
Yeah.
00:51:27.68
Bill
And that's a thing too. And then, you know, I know I talked about it before that in the the dentist that I went to see didn't, um and I'm not gonna, the whole part of the story is unimportant, you know, but um it was the pain part that that I thought that that, I mean, that's a sobriety part of the whole thing, but
00:51:37.70
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:51:43.94
Bill
um just the you know the fact that again this lady in urgent care she's like oh yeah i could we do this we do the good pain meds and so I and I know I know that well enough just because I've been offered you know pain meds under certain circumstances and never never taken the prescription thankfully but um
00:51:49.74
Mike
since
00:51:52.04
Mike
Sure. Sure. Right.
00:51:59.16
Bill
you know so yeah it's it is it's a it's a weird circumstance knowing that it I I'm not saying well I do I see how people relapse and I understand why people relapse and um you know there's the pain is fucking real it's really uncomfortable regardless of where it is on your body and when you can't do anything to fix it you know something that like you said even temporarily will fix it
00:52:07.89
Mike
This is. This is.
00:52:19.79
Bill
But then on top of that, knowing that without any issue whatsoever, without any begging, pleading, I could have gotten a prescription for some sort of fucking pain med plus a bottle of booze.
00:52:26.03
Mike
Sure.
00:52:29.63
Bill
Thank you. You know, it would have been that hard.
00:52:30.49
Mike
Right. right
00:52:32.19
Bill
You know, but when I said I know why people relapse is because what we talk about in in please anyone out there, I'm not I'm not patting myself on the back. I've done the work and this is the result that I get.
00:52:42.37
Bill
That's just a fucking fact.
00:52:43.78
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:52:44.08
Bill
you know, anyone if you if you do the amount of work and you do it every day, when these things happen, same thing as Mike was just talking about, we don't have to take that, you know, that considered easy way out.
00:52:55.01
Mike
Right.
00:52:55.16
Bill
um And it is, I mean, drinking, drinking and using is always an option, just not one that we choose today, right?
00:53:00.76
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah. One that we don't have to choose.
00:53:02.68
Bill
You know, right but you know the thing with the relapse part is because you know i mean well alcohol is available drugs are available yeah i mean legally if you really if you really want them in that circumstance but then on top of that i understand why relapse happens because again i'm you know given the circumstance if i didn't have that
00:53:09.54
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.
00:53:20.08
Bill
And you know, 11 years ago, I was, you know, three years sober, you know, and I, I didn't, I didn't take pain meds.
00:53:23.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:53:25.53
Bill
I took a lot of, like you said, the, the words that you use is what I had in my head, taking ibuprofen like it's candy.
00:53:25.61
Mike
Right.
00:53:32.10
Bill
I literally went up to Walmart yesterday to buy more because I was going to get, you know, I needed some, you know, I take it every once in a while, but, um, I went up to Walmart and then they had a, they had a two pack, you know, buy two and get it for whatever price.
00:53:32.20
Mike
Yep.
00:53:35.43
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:53:39.88
Mike
Right.
00:53:45.69
Bill
I fucking bought the two pack. I don't know how many ibuprofen I have now, but I have enough.
00:53:47.44
Mike
Sure.
00:53:50.16
Bill
yeah yeah I have enough, I got enough to get me through, you know?
00:53:54.30
Mike
ah hu
00:53:55.14
Bill
but um But yeah, that's the only thing that helps. And, you know, the fucked up thing too is then, you know, I'm waking up to whatever night it was, was it, it must've been Saturday night. um Every hour I was up, literally every fucking hour.
00:54:06.23
Mike
no
00:54:06.33
Bill
And, you know, I get up and I'm like, fuck. I go, you know, I think I, I walked downstairs a couple of nights. I walked downstairs like two, three times to get a, you know, drink a bottle of water. I think I had three, four bottles of water overnight.
00:54:17.37
Bill
Cause I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to do.
00:54:18.96
Mike
Right.
00:54:19.04
Bill
You know, it just, I'm like, I just so go do this and yeah yeah right.
00:54:19.75
Mike
Yeah. Well, that's just it. Yeah, right. Yes, exactly. The tools to deal with shit. That's just it. Right. Or sit there and dwell.
00:54:30.90
Bill
Right.
00:54:32.89
Mike
Oh, this pain is excruciating.
00:54:32.99
Bill
yeah
00:54:34.33
Mike
Oh, I can't handle it. No, this pain sucks and it hurts and God damn it. But You know, it's not going to kill you. You will get fucking through it.
00:54:43.60
Bill
Right.
00:54:44.04
Mike
Yeah, you know, yes, get up, get a drink of water, walk around, you know, look at something, scroll on your goddamn phone, take your mind off it a little bit.
00:54:52.39
Bill
yeah
00:54:54.76
Mike
Yes, you know, it's still fucking hurts. Yeah, it's so OK. So, you know, hurt a little bit.
00:54:58.63
Bill
Right.
00:55:00.94
Mike
It's a problem. We have problems.
00:55:02.22
Bill
Right.
00:55:02.90
Mike
well We will have pain. That's, again, part of life. Nobody's getting through this thing without any pain, without any any suffering.
00:55:11.23
Bill
Right.
00:55:12.22
Mike
without it's just It's part of the deal. So accept that and get through it.
00:55:14.92
Bill
Right?
00:55:18.36
Bill
Yeah.
00:55:18.57
Mike
yeah And you will.
00:55:20.06
Bill
Exactly, exactly.
00:55:20.75
Mike
Yes.
00:55:21.10
Bill
And that's it just it, you know, ah all said and done. And that's the the reason I wanted to bring it up. And I probably would not have brought it up on here had it not been for that, again, that thought I had about, you know, having the tools in place.
00:55:32.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:55:32.44
Bill
And, um you know, and same thing as I just said a minute ago, I didn't do anything fucking wonderful. I did the work, I get the results, but there was not even a little bit, there was a lot of gratitude in that knowing that
00:55:43.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:55:44.00
Bill
that I don't, I don't have to, you know, like we were talking about with John, you know, that they told us, you know, we're going to show you why you don't have to drink today.
00:55:46.04
Mike
Right.
00:55:51.48
Mike
That's right.
00:55:51.54
Bill
We're going to show you why you don't have to take pain pills today.
00:55:53.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:55:54.37
Bill
You know, we're going to show you why you don't, you don't have to, you know, do something to fuck up, you know, 14 years of sobriety because, you know, your mouth hurts.
00:56:02.17
Mike
My toofer hurts.
00:56:03.55
Bill
Yeah, and my shoulder hurts.
00:56:05.80
Mike
That's right. Oh, I'm in pain. Yeah, so I...
00:56:08.62
Bill
Right. Yeah, exactly.
00:56:10.56
Mike
ah
00:56:10.80
Bill
Exactly. For you know, there's there's people out there that are they're fucking miserable and going through grueling pain, probably can't can't even move without you know, grimacing or you know, just wincing.
00:56:15.08
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure. Mm hmm.
00:56:21.23
Bill
So um Yeah, I don't know. it it It is what it is. But I don't know, grateful. That's what I that's what got out of the whole thing. I was just really goddamn grateful that, you know, that I don't have to live that way today, you know.
00:56:32.90
Mike
Right.
00:56:34.79
Bill
So speaking of somebody, somebody sober, did you know that machine gun Kelly is sober?
00:56:40.74
Mike
Yeah, I've heard.
00:56:41.84
Bill
Really? Okay.
00:56:42.44
Mike
Yeah.
00:56:42.87
Bill
So it had just, um I don't remember where they brought it up. um Probably on the morning show I listened to was just kind of a passing comment that he just, I think it was a month or so ago.
00:56:48.90
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:56:52.19
Bill
He was in some headline, a couple of months. He's a little over a year sober now, which,
00:56:55.60
Mike
Yeah, that's cool.
00:56:57.73
Bill
I just, I didn't, I didn't know in the fact that he's a Cleveland guy, which is the reason I wanted to even bring it up.
00:57:01.34
Mike
Right.
00:57:03.14
Bill
But I don't even know if somebody were playing a machine gun Kelly song right now.
00:57:07.13
Mike
a Not me neither.
00:57:07.99
Bill
I wouldn't know.
00:57:10.69
Bill
I mean, I don't know what type of music does even saying play do.
00:57:10.79
Mike
Right.
00:57:13.70
Mike
ah i I believe he started off with like some kind of rap stuff. And um I guess he kind of merged into some more rock and rollish stuff. But again, never fucking heard a note of it.
00:57:27.02
Mike
Couldn't tell you.
00:57:27.00
Bill
Right.
00:57:28.67
Mike
I'm old. That's not. it Right. I know it was machine gun Kelly day here in Cleveland or week or some shit. He did a bunch of stuff here threw throughout the first pitch at the Dean's game the other day and blah, blah, blah.
00:57:43.92
Bill
ah so recently
00:57:44.01
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:45.77
Bill
okay
00:57:45.97
Mike
Like this past week. Yeah. It's probably why he was in the news.
00:57:48.69
Bill
you know I was gonna say that that's probably why yeah, they it might have been a yeah they might have been talking about um A sports thing so that I guess that would that would make sense, you know if he if he did that so, okay Yeah, the only thing I saw before that recently was that all his tattoos on his chest or whatever He just got like fucking blacked out but made like a blackout this pink fucking blackout cross I think if I remember correctly and I'm like Yeah, it looks fucking it stupid
00:57:58.64
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:58:10.52
Mike
Uh huh. ah Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:16.32
Bill
and know You could have done something better than just fucking black it all out. But you know, it's his his money and his body.
00:58:20.00
Mike
Right. That's yeah that's right.
00:58:21.76
Bill
So, you know, you do what you got to do, brother. Okay. Yeah, I just didn't.
00:58:25.18
Mike
Uh huh.
00:58:26.05
Bill
I just didn't know. And again, it was a Cleveland thing. So I figured I would ask.
00:58:28.37
Mike
Sure.
00:58:30.63
Bill
um but Okay, here's one. What is your biggest, what do you think is your biggest character defect, or at least the one...
00:58:43.15
Bill
Allow me to finish, sir.
00:58:44.49
Mike
ah Go ahead.
00:58:46.58
Bill
or Or at least the one that requires the most work on a daily basis.
00:58:51.28
Mike
so ah who Well,
00:58:58.39
Bill
Well,
00:58:58.51
Mike
ah well um i would tell I mean,
00:59:09.61
Mike
That's a fucking complicated one. um okay yeah All kinds of shit. My biggest one.
00:59:15.00
Bill
Right.
00:59:15.59
Mike
um Right. That takes the most work every day. um Probably probably my my lack of empathy.
00:59:27.23
Bill
Yeah.
00:59:27.48
Mike
Um, you know, again, it all boils down to, you know, um, I, I believe I read somewhere the root of our troubles is selfishness and self centeredness.
00:59:27.70
Bill
Okay.
00:59:37.20
Mike
Um, and that is the root of all of my problems. Um, yeah, you know, but yes, my, the, the lack of giving a shit about anybody else. And clearly I'm better at it than I was 14 years ago.
00:59:50.46
Mike
Um, you know, but it's still, I still have to work on giving a shit about anyone other than myself. ah I do and I'm better and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but that's, yeah, that's definitely the one I i need to work on every day, that is. ah Again, i the root of our troubles is selfishness and self-centeredness. The root of all my fucking problems is I don't give a shit about anybody but me.
01:00:16.75
Mike
and ah And so, yes, that is the one that I work on. It's my biggest one. I would think all of ours, biggest one. And the one I have to be most conscious of every day and and work on every day.
01:00:33.18
Bill
Right.
01:00:33.33
Mike
You know, and all all the rest of it stems from that. Again, what is it what is a root? It is the thing that all this other shit grows out of. So yeah, you know, um yeah and it again, it manifests in lots of different ways and lots of different things I need to work on, but yeah, that's, boil it down to that.
01:00:41.86
Bill
Right.
01:00:53.23
Mike
Thanks, Bill and Bob.
01:00:56.46
Bill
You know what, and that's ah that's kind of funny because I've never really thought about thought much about the the whole empathy thing.
01:01:04.82
Mike
Yeah,
01:01:04.78
Bill
um You know, I mean, I know maybe that's my problem too.
01:01:08.71
Mike
right.
01:01:09.24
Bill
I guess, here, come to think of it. But yeah, I mean, and that is, ah there's no doubt that is one.
01:01:10.93
Mike
and Right.
01:01:15.21
Bill
I mean, my I know my number one is always patience. And, you know, patience will lead me into every other problem that I have. um lack of patience or any good thing in my life is because i have patience you know so for me that patience is my um it's the bottom of the fork in my road that's that's where it is and depending on what i do um if what i do with that word and what i do with the word patience or how i how it's portrayed if it's a lack of i'm going to get myself in trouble
01:01:23.94
Mike
listen Right.
01:01:47.31
Bill
I may not care about people, I may say shit, I may um you know force something. and all you know we all We all know what happens when all that shit happens, but um same thing. When I said, I'll never forget, you know when we were in group you know that at the Keating Center, God, probably, if it wasn't 10 years ago, it was at least seven or eight years ago, then you...
01:02:07.28
Bill
know we I think that you told me to tell my story about my daughter. You said, yeah, this is the guy, you know, it's the story of your daughter.
01:02:12.09
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
01:02:14.26
Bill
And you said, you said something along the lines of, you know, so, you know, what did it take when it came to the time? I'm like, it it took too long. and You're like, no, no.
01:02:23.59
Bill
no it it took the amount of time you're supposed to take it i'm like damn it's god fucking damn it right right but i mean you know you gotta figure that i mean so even if it was 10 years ago you know still i was four years sober i should have fucking known better it was seven or eight baby i shouldn't have known better more i don't know you know but
01:02:27.79
Mike
Right.
01:02:30.62
Mike
Right. Right. yeah Right.
01:02:43.13
Bill
But yeah, that's, that is, I i don't, um I have no, yeah I didn't even know, like you said, traffic, that that gives me, I don't wanna make, it doesn't make me nervous, it makes me a little anxious when I hear traffic stories because, not because I'm i'm afraid of traffic, but i don't I don't, regardless, wherever I'm going, I'm going someplace because I need to be someplace, or I want to be someplace, rarely, rarely, and I used to do it every once in a while, but these days I just got too much shit that I wanna do.
01:02:53.80
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. Mm hmm.
01:03:10.46
Bill
um Really, do I just go out for a drive, you know?
01:03:13.68
Mike
Right. Oh, yeah.
01:03:15.33
Bill
You know, just on the, you know, like wings on the and the wind or whatever you wanna call it, just, you know, just kind of like blow it along in the wind. I mean, I just don't do that.
01:03:22.15
Mike
Right.
01:03:22.71
Bill
I used to every once in a while, but um anytime, I don't care.
01:03:23.71
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:03:27.42
Bill
I um i don't, I get patient impatient with that. I get impatient with work. I get impatient with everything, you know?
01:03:32.83
Mike
Sure.
01:03:33.42
Bill
Everything, it's kinda, what's gonna happen? Fucking now, you know?
01:03:35.49
Mike
Right. I want what I want and I want it fucking now.
01:03:40.18
Bill
right But the apath empathy one, you got me now you got me thinking about that.
01:03:43.99
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:03:44.12
Bill
That's a and something for me to for for me to keep. I need to keep an eye on that, I think is the, because i like you said, no doubt in my mind um that i'm I'm better at it.
01:03:49.13
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:03:54.27
Bill
I think I'm fairly decent as being empathetic most of the time.
01:03:54.89
Mike
Sure. Right. right
01:03:58.74
Bill
you know But it's the, when I'm not, I'm fucking horrible at it. Same thing with patience. When I'm not good at it, it's fucking bad. It's not like it's a little bad, it's fucking bad.
01:04:05.33
Mike
Right. Right.
01:04:09.73
Bill
all or nothing, right?
01:04:10.45
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:04:12.15
Bill
yeah yeah Speaking of ibuprofen, I was dumping ibuprofen in my hand, and it was, again, I woke up during the night, and I didn't feel like I turned out of a light, because I'm like, well, if you turn out a light, you're gonna wake up.
01:04:24.00
Bill
You know, I don't want to try to wake myself up.
01:04:24.79
Mike
Right.
01:04:26.43
Bill
So my ibuprofen was on the on the dresser, and I watched over my, I got an alarm clock that glows a little bit, so I got my hand in front of the alarm clock.
01:04:28.75
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:04:34.82
Bill
I'm trying to figure out the kid thing, so I slide, oh, I got that. and then i just i wanted to take two and four fell out i'm like well if two is good so yeah swear to fucking god i took all four because i'm like they're in my hand
01:04:46.59
Mike
Of course. Well, yeah. Right.
01:04:50.05
Bill
yeah
01:04:51.91
Mike
God wanted me to take four.
01:04:56.04
Bill
If God didn't want me to take four, ah he would have allowed four to fall into my hand.
01:05:01.76
Mike
That's right yeah who Right ah Delusional goddamn trunks, right
01:05:05.16
Bill
Thank you for co-citing my bullshit. God damn it. See, there's a reason. This is a reason we got together tonight. Thank you. Thank you. oh
01:05:15.32
Bill
um All right. so
01:05:19.62
Bill
Yeah, but that's what makes us fun, so. yeah Right, that it makes us a great time. All right, so from the 24-hour book, ah can I see my own happiness reflected in the faces of others?
01:05:34.32
Bill
To you, Mike.
01:05:34.51
Mike
Hmm.
01:05:36.33
Bill
you
01:05:37.85
Mike
Well, thanks, Bill. Uh, can I see? Wait, can I see my happiness reflected?
01:05:43.04
Bill
Yes.
01:05:43.41
Mike
and Um, yeah.
01:05:45.22
Bill
My own, my own happiness reflected in the faces of others, yes.
01:05:48.82
Mike
Yes. Occasionally, you know, but when occasionally when I'm happy. ah Yeah. You know, yes. Yes.
01:05:59.14
Mike
wendy Yeah. I do. I see it. You know, my, my granddaughter, my girlfriend, um, yeah, sure. You know, um, um, things when I'm being good and doing the right thing and being happy as a result of being good and doing the right thing.
01:06:14.70
Mike
Um, yes, I see it reflected in others. You know, they're happy to be around me. Yeah. It's a change.
01:06:21.25
Bill
I was just gonna say that's a difference, right?
01:06:23.16
Mike
Right. Exactly. Yeah. Kind of nice.
01:06:26.74
Bill
Yeah, but yeah, it's just when i when I saw that and again, i do I don't pick too many of these things out of the 24 hour book, but every once in a while I get ah ah get a line in those and I'm like, you know, I just, I like that.
01:06:33.49
Mike
Mmhmm.
01:06:37.82
Bill
and you know And it is, but I mean, all of that I think is explained in you know and one sentence or at least one idea is the fact that, I don't know, maybe what we were saying before, you know we we did the work and we get the results.
01:06:50.21
Bill
you know um We did the work for...
01:06:51.01
Mike
Right. Well, again, you know, that happiness, that pleasure, that joy, all that stuff is a byproduct. It's not, you know, right.
01:06:57.20
Bill
Right.
01:06:58.32
Mike
So yes, doing the right thing, being a good boy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I get the byproduct of being a little bit happy and um I get to see because I'm being a good person, these people that are around me get to be around a good person.
01:07:11.99
Mike
And and so yeah, you know, yes, that's definitely reflected back at me.
01:07:17.12
Bill
right Yeah, it just ah i know i was I was thinking the same thing. you know just ah It is. I mean we we um i don't know if, again, the happiness is a byproduct, but I think the you know the the biggest thing is the fact of the happiness that we get to bring to others by not...
01:07:30.50
Mike
Yeah.
01:07:30.89
Bill
you know in In contrast, we're not fucking with people anymore. you know it just even even Even when we're even, you know we're we're being good to people.
01:07:38.05
Mike
Right.
01:07:39.05
Bill
you know We're being better better to people.
01:07:39.30
Mike
Yeah.
01:07:41.46
Bill
yeah Okay, so side side note on that, and it just made me think of something. But first of all, as ah is a scroll moment, um as I was kind of scanning my eyes down this list, I wrote i wrote down this thing, um kind now where did it go? It said, what do you think about the phrase, drinking is not theres not an option anymore, which we already talked about inadvertently. So it just made me kind of laugh that I actually have it on my list. Because somebody said that, there it is, somebody said that on a podcast, I just gotta, I gotta to make sure to take it off my list.
01:08:10.15
Bill
but um okay so
01:08:11.29
Mike
Drinking's not an option anymore.
01:08:13.39
Bill
Right. Well, I mean, it is.
01:08:13.94
Mike
Right? Well, yeah, it's always an option.
01:08:14.67
Bill
It's always an option, right?
01:08:16.48
Mike
Exactly. Yeah. that's Yeah, it's kind of a bullshit statement. um But it's it's not an option if, again, we want that byproduct of happiness, which I kind of do, because I'm selfish and self-centered.
01:08:20.57
Bill
Right. Right.
01:08:32.33
Bill
yeah
01:08:33.14
Mike
Yeah, right. um it's It's always an option, but it's not a necessity anymore, which is really the lovely part of it.
01:08:40.75
Bill
right Yeah, it's not something that you know we don't we don't need. um you know it's ah Thankfully, we don't need it to get well. We don't need it to function. We don't need it you know to for anything.
01:08:50.89
Mike
Yeah.
01:08:51.54
Bill
you know to To be social, we don't need it to get our dance on.
01:08:51.74
Mike
Yeah.
01:08:57.26
Mike
All right.
01:08:58.59
Bill
get our boogaloo on. Yeah, none of that. You know, we don't need it to talk to women. We don't even talk to, you know, people we're nervous around anything like that, you know, just we don't we don't need it.
01:09:07.84
Mike
yeah Right.
01:09:08.68
Bill
So yeah, but I yeah, exactly.
01:09:09.72
Mike
Just don't talk to him.
01:09:12.53
Bill
I just thought it was funny was when we were talking about it before with the pain, you know, that came up, you know, with ah that it's no longer an option, but it is an option.
01:09:16.84
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:09:19.47
Bill
So
01:09:20.00
Mike
Sure.
01:09:20.47
Bill
um So my, my side note on the, on the whole happiness type of thing and bringing happiness to others. And it's kind of, it's, I've been thinking about this. This kind of goes along with, um and I'm not trying to be morbid about this, but I may be, maybe it's fucking morbid, but it goes along, I think with the, and we've talked about, you know, the,
01:09:33.47
Mike
Hmm.
01:09:38.11
Bill
Atheism and agnostic stuff and you know wondering about what's out there and what's next and um is there anything next or you know If from european standpoint, no, um, I don't know, you know other people think that they float up to this, you know Whatever place in the sky, you know, so all these different views but either way You know this this whole mortality thing and these trips i'm taking and some of the things i'm seeing and whatever Um it part of it, you know, you know, I take a lot of pictures that every once in a while I think i'm like, yeah, that's a lot of fucking pictures
01:09:40.01
Mike
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Right. Right.
01:10:06.12
Mike
Hmm.
01:10:06.14
Bill
But I take the pictures for for two reasons. um I get to see the shit.
01:10:10.81
Mike
Right.
01:10:11.35
Bill
and i mean it's um Literally, i'm um i I walk up to these these places and walk up to these views and I swear to God, nine times out of 10, I'm just like, fuck me.
01:10:23.32
Mike
if Right.
01:10:23.26
Bill
you know i mean And I say it out loud because I'm like, I can't i can't even believe what I'm fucking looking at. you know
01:10:28.43
Mike
Right.
01:10:29.73
Bill
It's just, it's just, it's stupid, but it's funny. um But the other thing too is I'm like, okay, so I get joy, I get happiness out of sharing that with other people, you know?
01:10:38.90
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.
01:10:41.25
Bill
And I get out with, I don't really care, even if people, Instagram's one thing, but I know that we have a lot of friends, you know, that get an Instagram, I know it gets on Facebook.
01:10:47.66
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:10:49.97
Bill
You know, and some people, it's a lot of pictures. I don't look at everyone's pictures on Instagram or Facebook. Some I do, some I don't.
01:10:55.70
Mike
Right.
01:10:55.94
Bill
um you know but But the other thing too is that, you know if again, if I live another year, then I get to look, I get to relive this memory again you know next year.
01:11:04.14
Mike
Right.
01:11:04.54
Bill
So I get to provide that.
01:11:05.10
Mike
Uh huh.
01:11:06.51
Bill
But then I start thinking about it. This is kind of the the morbid part of it, the mortality part. It's kind of like, what's the fucking point of life these days? you know And I don't mean that in a bad way. I don't mean why am I still living?
01:11:17.19
Bill
And you know I've got nothing. If there is nothing after this, that not even that, then what's the point? but you know I think we talked about this, I think is that I care more about doing things with and for other people these days.
01:11:33.66
Bill
um And some of these, like even even though these these trips I'm taking, yeah, they're all me and I'm by myself nine times out of 10 and I'm doing it for myself, but you know hopefully, I don't know, I got stories to tell people, I could share these things with people and I can leave shit behind that way.
01:11:39.74
Mike
Sure.
01:11:49.38
Bill
Does that make any fucking sense? so
01:11:51.68
Mike
Sure.
01:11:52.68
Bill
Okay, okay. Because that's just kind of like, you know, yeah I don't know, we we get to a certain age where it's like, i'm you know, we're not 20 years old anymore. It's like, Oh, when I'm 50, I'm gonna be able to look back at these, all these fucking memories, you know, 30 years from now. And, you know, now I look at 30 years, I'm like, I'm gonna hurt like hell if I live to 85.
01:12:11.94
Bill
Speaking of ibuprofen.
01:12:16.39
Bill
But um yeah, it's just kind of like, you know, part of the, I think part of the purpose, you know, of my life now is, um again, I mean, I, um hopefully being able to bring, you know, do things to bring other people happiness.
01:12:28.54
Bill
Yes, they're going to bring me some, but, you know, I, and again, I, I don't know, I feel like I'm rambling with that, but that's, I don't know, that's kind of what what I feel lately.
01:12:29.34
Mike
Right.
01:12:36.51
Bill
So I don't know.
01:12:37.21
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. know Well, yeah, whatever it gets you through, man. Um, it's, yeah, you know, you do, you do what makes you happy.
01:12:47.23
Mike
What if what makes you happy is making other p people happy. Then that's pretty fucking good.
01:12:53.45
Bill
right.
01:12:54.10
Mike
Yeah. Nothing wrong with that.
01:12:55.34
Bill
Yeah. And you know, um and again, it'd be like I said before, it'd be some of these trips would be fun to do with other people. I had a great time, like I said, going on those couple of trails with with Kimmy and Ollie and I mean, he was he was a little trooper, but um but I mean, that that was nice and you know, doing stuff like that.
01:13:05.28
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:13:11.84
Bill
It's it's all it's all cool. you know, but um I don't mind doing the shit by myself.
01:13:13.90
Mike
Yeah.
01:13:16.07
Bill
I don't mind exploring all these different places. And again, these just did just, you know, the these things are im just fucking mind these pictures do no justice to some of the things I get to look at.
01:13:18.54
Mike
Right.
01:13:24.54
Mike
No, I know. Right.
01:13:26.62
Bill
You know, just not i know
01:13:27.60
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's some pretty cool shit out there, man. Again, focus on it. You know, you can focus on the garbage or focus on the beauty and hey, let's focus on the beauty because it's better.
01:13:39.73
Bill
yeah right right yeah and I uh I mean it it's I tell you what you know they they they say it on the morning show I listen to all the time you know having having fun you know it takes a lot of fucking work and it does you know it's a lot of effort it's a lot of driving I don't care you know but um but yeah I mean I I figured out now I've got you know I got a pattern I mean if I need to get someplace on a Sunday I will but it makes me uncomfortable
01:13:50.66
Mike
Right.
01:13:53.59
Mike
right
01:14:02.38
Bill
you know because i'm like i get too much shit to kind of organize and get set up and i need to make sure my work stuff works and you know just anything like that you know seven trips to walmart like i did the last time um all good no no complaints with it but if i had to do all that on a sunday when i had to work the next day it would have stressed me out a little bit you know that's at the point i would go someplace and be fucking stressed out you know
01:14:07.38
Mike
Right.
01:14:23.34
Mike
Right.
01:14:24.00
Bill
Fuck that, fuck that.
01:14:25.02
Mike
Yes.
01:14:26.56
Bill
All right, so I'm gonna pick one more here. This is random. um Okay, so this is from God grant me.
01:14:30.48
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:14:33.85
Bill
To him or her that is afraid. I don't know why this is making me laugh. Let me start over.
01:14:42.07
Mike
Alright.
01:14:42.87
Bill
To him or her that is afraid, everything rustles.
01:14:45.53
Mike
Hmm.
01:14:47.62
Bill
Again, I don't know why that makes me laugh. Russell, Russell.
01:14:53.17
Bill
You know, it just made me think about something, i which I'll bring up in a minute. But does that make sense? that I mean, that everything rustles, or how do you feel about that? or Does it even make any sense?
01:15:01.68
Mike
I mean, well, yeah, if you're, if you're afraid, everything fucking scares you. Um, and if everything scares you, you're probably going to be afraid most of the time or all of the time.
01:15:12.69
Bill
yeah
01:15:13.92
Mike
Um, right. Yeah. So don't be afraid, man. You know? Um, I mean, guess what? Everything rustles anyway. Shit moves.
01:15:24.84
Mike
Um, right.
01:15:25.44
Bill
Hey, what was that? What was that?
01:15:27.79
Mike
Right. Right. and You know, could be a good thing. Could be a puppy dog. Could be a wolf. ah Yeah. And guess what? You're not in control of any of it.
01:15:38.98
Mike
So it doesn't really matter.
01:15:39.40
Bill
Right.
01:15:41.85
Bill
There was this room. This reminded me of two things. The first thing I thought of up in the second one. So when Don and I first got together, I mean, we were only together probably six months at the time. Um, we haven't even moved in together.
01:15:50.83
Mike
Uh huh.
01:15:51.91
Bill
She was over by a place and we were watching family guy.
01:15:54.53
Mike
ah
01:15:54.66
Bill
And, uh, you know, they do obviously that the flashbacks are not the flashback. What do they call the side shots?
01:15:58.35
Mike
the cutaways. Yeah.
01:15:59.49
Bill
Cutaway cutaway. Yeah, there you go. So whatever it was, Peter said something about a one horse town. Hmm. and then they they do a cutaway to this fucking horse just standing a alone in a town and then uh you know they do a close-up of it and then also the horse is like who was that then he's like the wind and and Dawn and I are sitting there watching it.
01:16:22.81
Bill
She starts giggling and laughing. The two of us, i had I had recorded it at that. I think I had a DVR at the time frame. I had to actually pause it. We're laughing so fucking hard. And for no reason in the world, but that just reminded me of that.
01:16:36.37
Bill
Everything rustles. Who's that? The wind.
01:16:39.31
Mike
The wind.
01:16:40.35
Bill
um But the first thing that I thought about, do you remember um Larry, water bottle Larry?
01:16:44.96
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
01:16:46.42
Bill
Yep, the leaf. Do you remember? Do you remember the story? I don't remember exactly how it went. I just remember Leaf being involved.
01:16:51.91
Mike
and I mean, yeah, you was he was all cracked out, a paranoid, and I believe a leaf was chasing him, and he and he had a problem with it.
01:17:02.18
Bill
oh yeah
01:17:04.23
Mike
It was this goddamn leaf that like he just kept seeing and freaking him out, and yeah, right, yeah.
01:17:12.34
Bill
Yeah, he thought he was being he he's being chased or followed by somebody.
01:17:16.04
Mike
Yeah, he's being stalked by a leaf.
01:17:16.34
Bill
and it Was this a fucking leaf? didn't he If I remember correctly, and maybe I'm just maybe i making this up, but didn't he didn't he take that leaf and like save it or or saved a leaf or something like that, had it in his car?
01:17:30.03
Mike
Yeah.
01:17:30.04
Bill
For some reason, I i think I remember like yeah like on his visor.
01:17:31.35
Mike
Yeah. It seems like it. Right. Yeah. Over ah overcome that fear, man. I'll take this leaf with me. It'll become my friend.
01:17:41.14
Bill
ah you know what i Thankfully, I never had hallucinations or delusions, as far as I know.
01:17:45.85
Mike
Hmm.
01:17:47.55
Bill
you know um you know to To the best of my knowledge, I never had them.
01:17:51.67
Mike
Right.
01:17:52.29
Bill
But ah I remember we were kind of, we couldn't have been born a few weeks over, a couple of weeks over, maybe, and he's telling us that story. And we were fucking laughing.
01:18:00.81
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:18:01.59
Bill
He's being, is it he's he's a big black dude. Okay, you know, he's a big fucking mean ass.
01:18:05.07
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:18:06.95
Bill
He's the scared straight dude, right?
01:18:08.45
Mike
Yeah.
01:18:09.04
Bill
You know, so this fucking badass meanie was scared of a goddamn leaf.
01:18:14.89
Mike
Yep. Scared of fucking everything. I remember that.
01:18:17.81
Bill
Yeah.
01:18:18.77
Mike
Yeah, that right.
01:18:19.65
Bill
Yeah.
01:18:20.38
Mike
You know, and I don't want to forget that I was fucking afraid of everything. There's very little I'm afraid of today. Very, very little.
01:18:26.35
Bill
Right. Yeah, and I don't, i you know, I haven't really thought about that, um like ever recently.
01:18:33.42
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:18:33.46
Bill
And yeah, I don't, I mean, things will be, again, makes me nervous or anxious or or whatever, but um I suppose unless I ended up in some really fucking horrible, horrible place that I didn't need to be accidentally, you know, I felt like I was gonna die.
01:18:37.85
Mike
Sure.
01:18:42.18
Mike
All right.
01:18:47.68
Bill
um Yeah, I mean, I just, yeah, I'm not afraid of anything either that i that I know of, again, to the best of my knowledge.
01:18:50.96
Mike
All right.
01:18:55.94
Bill
All right, last last quick question for you. It's nothing to do with sobriety. um the jew Did you ever, and I'm sure you have, you've watched the movie Swingers, haven't you?
01:18:59.02
Mike
alright
01:19:04.10
Mike
No.
01:19:04.73
Bill
Oh, really? Okay.
01:19:05.86
Mike
Nope.
01:19:06.41
Bill
So Vince Vaughn, whatever, do you know about the movie?
01:19:08.94
Mike
I vaguely.
01:19:10.81
Bill
Okay, and well, that actually surprises me because you're one that just has ended up seeing like everything, all a lot of the older movies, but um ah listening to a podcast, I can't remember which one he was on, one of the celebrity ones, and they had Vince Vaughn on.
01:19:17.56
Mike
Right.
01:19:23.09
Mike
Uh.
01:19:24.52
Bill
He was a fun guest anyhow, but they they were talking a lot about swingers, and um I had watched the diner in the last few months because they had someone at Daniel, or I think Mark had Daniel Stern on, didn't he?
01:19:36.60
Mike
Yeah, yeah, a few months ago.
01:19:36.60
Bill
any of Yeah. And he was talking about the diner. Yeah. So I went back and I watched that, which was saying that was okay. you know Kevin Bacon was in it, blah, blah, blah. And then David Stern, a couple of other people.
01:19:43.62
Mike
Yeah,
01:19:45.10
Bill
um But yeah, I watched Swingers. i mean was It was entertaining enough. And it was free. I didn't have to pay for it. But um yeah, they're just all throughout the entire thing. Your money, your money, your money, everything's money.
01:19:56.94
Bill
that's That was Vince Vaughn's saying. I got so fucking sick of it.
01:19:59.15
Mike
Okay.
01:20:01.34
Bill
Saying that, no, you're good enough. You're that you're cool. You're this and that. your money baby your money this and all this i'm like oh my god it was just it got to be enough you know your money baby you know that sort of thing so but i just figured you would see that i was going to say that after after watching it because i kept watching the movie i'm like because i thought i saw it before
01:20:06.72
Mike
Ah.
01:20:15.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:20:19.08
Bill
And I thought it'd be one of those moments where I'm like, I, I watched it drunk and I just, just didn't remember it.
01:20:23.60
Mike
Right? Mm-hmm.
01:20:25.28
Bill
But, um, no, I got through the entire movie. There was none of it. The only, the only line that I recognized was what they were going to Las Vegas. And he's like, it's Vegas, baby. It's Vegas, baby.
01:20:36.51
Bill
Only reason I know that is they use that they've used that as a, um, as a, like a bumper line on the morning, Charlotte listen to.
01:20:44.02
Mike
Ah.
01:20:44.72
Bill
That's the only reason I knew that line.
01:20:46.31
Mike
All right.
01:20:46.31
Bill
Wasn't because I watched the movie, so.
01:20:47.57
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:20:47.95
Bill
But anyhow, okay.
01:20:48.94
Mike
Nope. Never seen it.
01:20:49.29
Bill
So I just figured, yep, just figured you had seen it. But all right, so um let's take a look back. On that note, is this Ben the season...
01:20:58.97
Mike
Yeah.
01:21:00.78
Bill
Fuck it. No, it's it's just been it's been another episode. There's nothing to do with it. This was the end of season five It hasn't been spectacular I don't think you know, but you know if I'll tell you what hello listeners if you think this episode has been spectacular Email us at info at sober not mature calm.
01:21:05.74
Mike
Right.
01:21:08.63
Mike
Hmm.
01:21:17.47
Bill
Tell us what you think today Whatever, I don't know So yeah, we're done.
01:21:19.17
Mike
Sure.
01:21:22.74
Mike
Right. da da yeah yeah we We finished another season.
01:21:23.46
Bill
We're done, right?
01:21:26.31
Mike
and Whatever the fuck that means.
01:21:26.97
Bill
Yes, we did. another It just means we got to do the same goddamn thing next ah and know next week with the same with a different label on it. That's all.
01:21:35.33
Mike
Yes. Right. And we'll have a wonderful guest who's a doctor and it'll be much better than this.
01:21:36.89
Bill
Cool.
01:21:41.14
Bill
Exactly. Yeah, yeah so if you if you didn't like this, fuck you. Show up next week. So there you go.
01:21:46.94
Mike
Right. Try again.
01:21:49.53
Bill
All right, man.
01:21:49.65
Mike
We will.
01:21:50.03
Bill
youre Exactly. Your turn.
01:21:53.04
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to another episode of sober, not mature. So always be kind to each other. Be good to each other and go out there and do something nice for somebody else this weekend. Don't tell anybody you did it. Have that happiness be a byproduct of doing the good thing that you did.
01:22:11.10
Mike
Now, it is time. Oh boy is it time. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying you cannot fuck off past here. Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream and keep fucking off forever.
01:22:29.70
Bill
The fast ending.
01:22:31.20
Mike
Yep.
01:22:31.39
Bill
Okay, one I'll end this up with a guess since we started with the beginning with a guess. How many fucks do you think we had last week's episode with our with a guest?
01:22:40.17
Mike
Um, well, I think it was a little lower, you know, uh, let's go 72.
01:22:48.63
Bill
Oh, you know, close-ish, 52.
01:22:52.15
Mike
Oh, wow.
01:22:53.47
Bill
Yeah, I mean really low.
01:22:54.19
Mike
Wow. We were on a good behavior.
01:22:56.02
Bill
yeah Well, and I don't think he swore at all. He might've sworn a couple of times, but yeah.
01:22:59.21
Mike
A couple of times. I think he dropped a shit or two in there and that was about it. Yeah, I know.
01:23:04.39
Bill
Trapped the shit or two. Well, he actually, he's probably a better human being than us, which at the, yeah, it's a, it's a low bar.
01:23:06.91
Mike
Yeah.
01:23:09.48
Mike
Well, I'm sure i that's that's a look here it is.
01:23:13.83
Bill
All right, man. Well, you know what brother, I love you and we'll talk soon.
01:23:16.10
Mike
I love you too. We shall see all next week.
01:23:21.21
Bill
All right, bye.
01:23:22.61
Mike
Bye.
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