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It's Mike and Bill this week, bringing you something. What are we bringing you? Listen and find out.
Mike started off with his reading and it was about choosing the people in our lives. Those we spend time with and those we trust. It was a really good conversation.
We had a couple of anniversaries and a birthday to acknowledge, then we chatted about a front man that passed, some travel talk, taking versus receiving, doing The Steps (again) and we even talked a little bit about The Beatles.
And somehow we talked about can openers and vodka. Just listen, it will make sense.
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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. And I'm ah i'm in real time tonight.
00:00:10.10
Mike
o Yeah, that's right. You're actually in a bordering state
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Bill
yeah
00:00:13.78
Bill
yeah I am. actually i kind i think i'm i you know it's I'm still far enough away where you know I'm not going to pop in. I think it's five i think it's like five hours away. It's not like I'm going to pop in, but the place that I'm going hiking, and ill I'll talk about that in a little bit, but i mean that's a little bit of a drive, but well fucking worth it. No offense, but I see more beauty when I'm out there than I do walking in your door. so
00:00:36.13
Mike
Oh Yeah None taken
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Bill
you know just
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Bill
All right, so before I forget here, I got two anniversaries to mention and also a birthday. Figured to get these things out of the way right away. um First one, anniversary tomorrow.
00:00:51.07
Bill
Well, depending on when of you guys are listening to this, on Saturday, the 26th, which technically would be when you guys are listening to this, that is gonna be the five-year anniversary for my daughter and son-in-law.
00:00:57.18
Mike
a
00:01:01.36
Bill
So that's their that's their wedding anniversary tomorrow, October 26th, yeah.
00:01:01.86
Mike
no Nice.
00:01:06.11
Bill
Which is, again, I can't, they They got so lucky. They got married, obviously, the October before the pandemic. That's, Derek graduated that year.
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Mike
Mm hmm. All right.
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Bill
All these big things, you know, because, I mean, graduations got fucked the following year and weddings got fucked.
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Mike
Yeah. Yeah.
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Bill
You know, so, I mean, two huge events in my kids' lives, you know, and they were able to, I mean, it was great.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Bill
Obviously went off without a hitch before, you know, everyone got diseased.
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Bill
And then on Sunday is our sister, Kathy's birthday.
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Mike
Oh, yeah.
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Bill
So that's ah that's the 27th she is old as fuck. I'm not gonna tell hold she is but I know cuz you're you're coming up but
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Mike
Hey, now.
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Mike
Yeah, she's like a couple of months older than me, so.
00:01:48.73
Bill
That's it's number one, I said it to fuck with her, but I knew it'd be the side fuck to you also. you get You get the fucked with spray going along with that one.
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Mike
ah
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Mike
Nice.
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Bill
But yeah, she's actually, she's out tripping around right now. You'll hear more about it. She didn't want to make a big deal out of it while she was traveling, I guess, from posting or whatever.
00:02:05.80
Mike
Nice.
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Bill
But yeah, she's out enjoying herself for her birthday. but
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Mike
nice
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Bill
um and then coming up next week on Wednesday, this is the and another well another anniversary, two years that from when mom died, which is fucking crazy.
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Mike
Yeah.
00:02:21.63
Bill
We were chit-chatting about some shit before we started and neither one of us could believe it's fucking November, let alone. or almost November, let alone, you know, two years since our mom died.
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Mike
Right.
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Bill
And it just, it's it's fucking crazy.
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Mike
ah
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Bill
I mean, a lot of good things have happened in the last, you know, two years. It's not like, you know, like it's been like some droning couple of years.
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Mike
Sure.
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Mike
No, no.
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Bill
It's been great, you know, it's all good stuff, you know.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Bill
But um so, and you know, last year I went and I, a and they're coming up in the memories on Facebook, on our on our Facebook page.
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Mike
Mm hmm.
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Bill
I did a bunch of episode clips from the year before honoring that first year blah blah blah.
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Mike
Right.
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Bill
I had no plans on doing that this year. The only thing that I would like to kind of throw out there again because this blew my mind when I was thinking about the episode.
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Mike
Yeah.
00:03:05.10
Bill
The episode that we did the week that she died for anyone that listens to us was episode 37.
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Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
00:03:10.89
Bill
um It may be a weird thing to say, but I'm proud of that episode. I think both of us are.
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Mike
right
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Bill
It's probably one of the most, you know I mean, we we try to and you know keep things real. yo yeah um But I mean, that one was, it was.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Bill
I mean, I'm not trying to be weird about it, but it was raw and it was vulnerable.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Bill
And you know it was days, it wasn't even a week you know after after she had died.
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Mike
yeah
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Bill
So um it was ah it was a wonderful conversation.
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Mike
Well.
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Mike
Mm hmm.
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Bill
Again, weird to say, but very healing, I think, in a sense. So I'm i'm glad we did it.
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Mike
Definitely.
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Bill
And even episode 38 was kind of a continuation of that.
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Mike
Mm hmm.
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Bill
But um if anyone wants to to listen back again, you know, of um of a great conversation about having a, not only a loved one die, but a parent die, um in sobriety, I mean, it's, listen, 37.
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Bill
And the thing that blew my mind is this is episode 140. So it's 103 episodes ago.
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Mike
God. Yeah, yes.
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Mike
yeah
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Bill
which I thought about that I'm like you know I'm like that's like 150 with based on an hour and a half episode we've we've spewed out 150 hours of shit since she said she died I don't know whether to apologize to her with her being or whatever it is to just say yeah
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Mike
Jesus.
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Mike
Hmm. I apologize to everyone.
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Bill
Yeah, I apologize to everyone. Hey, sorry, man. But yeah, we're we're never at a loss for fucking words. And um it's been, I mean, most of our episodes are going over by, you know, six, seven, eight minutes, nothing big.
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Bill
But, um you know, yeah, we're in we're we're still easily within that hour and a half.
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Mike
Hmm.
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Bill
And I know for a fucking fact, we could talk longer than that. But, um you know, just it just it's, again,
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Mike
I know you could.
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Bill
I know you could too if I kept you know you would you'd hang around and I know you would because he knows what you say I think you you get engaged but towards the end but and this is this goes back to the real time thing I mean we got started that late but I mean like a half hour later than we would I guess normally quote-unquote start when it's just us
00:04:50.52
Mike
yeah Yeah, right.
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Mike
Right.
00:05:07.62
Bill
So by the time we get done, I mean, it's fucking nine o'clock.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Bill
By the time I get done, it's, you know, it's 10 something, you know, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, i'll I want to wrap up ah my last weekend went to and just a couple of minor things with this place.
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Mike
Mm. Mm hmm.
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Bill
I'll talk about it later. But um i it's nothing compared to what I was dealing with and in Arkansas.
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Mike
Uh
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Bill
So um yeah, this i'm I'm pleased here and I'm I'm here for another week and I'm happy about that.
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Mike
-huh.
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Bill
So
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Mike
Cool.
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Bill
Yeah. But, uh, but anyhow, so yeah, Kimmy and b Brian, obviously Kathy's birthday and then, uh, anniversary of our mom coming up on Wednesday. All those things are going to happen before, before we meet again.
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Mike
That's right.
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Bill
So I figured, fuck it. Let's, let's talk about them. So, okay.
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Mike
Nice.
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Bill
All right. So, um, you had mentioned prior yeah that you spent how long? 10 minutes trying to find a reading, but you have one.
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Mike
ah Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. I have, I have a reading of course. Cause you know, I hear somewhere 90% of it's showing up.
00:06:04.16
Bill
ha
00:06:04.25
Mike
Um, right. i Yeah. I mean, i'm I'm flipping through the book and I'm going shit. I think we did that one. I think we did that.
00:06:09.86
Bill
yeah
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Mike
Actually, I had one marked from earlier in the week and then I'm looking at it, you know, cause I, I was like, I read it in the morning when I first woke up as I always do. And I went, Oh, that's pretty good.
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Mike
When I, so I stuck my little piece of paper in there and moved on with my life and, uh, And I cracked it open tonight and I went, shit, I think we've did that one or I, you know, I don't know. So yeah. Um, and we may not have or whatever. I have no clue.
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Mike
But, um, it's been once again, a long goddamn week.
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Bill
it's ah It's okay, it's okay. yeah
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Mike
Uh, today was a day, uh, several bad moments. You know, not even that bad. Just paint in the ass, work stuff, whatever. Um, so yes.
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Mike
Um, you know, I literally sat down, well, about 35 minutes ago um From my day. So if that started at 6 this morning, it's now almost 8 o'clock.
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Mike
So there you go.
00:07:09.75
Bill
yeah and And just so real quick, I told Mike that if fuck is he didn't get a chance to eat much, I talk a lot, like as he just said, you know, obviously reiterated.
00:07:09.74
Mike
All right enough
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Bill
So um if you happen to hear somebody eating, it's going to be Mike.
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Mike
no, no, it won't be I got I'm done it's getting too late to eat anyway, so
00:07:25.83
Bill
what Who are you? It's never too late to eat.
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Mike
I'm a guy who's not as fat as I used to be.
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Bill
but Yeah. Okay.
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Mike
That's who I am.
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Bill
There you go. There you go.
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Mike
ah
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Bill
All right. Okay. I'll shut up now.
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Mike
All right, well yeah here anyway, so this was this is from keep it simple cuz God grant me was I was getting a dry hole there. So this was actually today's from keep it simple cuz I did remember I was ah as I'm flipping through I'm going all right. Well, um actually I think today from keep it simple was kind of good. So let me go grab that and I did and it's here it is. Jesus Christ, oh October 25th.
00:08:03.77
Mike
ah Love thy neighbor as thyself, but choose your neighbor. Louise Beale did not get a chance to look and see who the hell that is. So you do it if you're interested. Here we go. In our program, we learn a lot about loving ourselves. Then we start to see how this helps us love our neighbors.
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Mike
We learn to love ourselves honestly, seeing our strengths and our weaknesses. We learn to see others honestly. we learned how We learn how much to trust ourselves and when to get extra help. We learn how much to trust others too. We learn to love ourselves with a love that's honest and challenging. We learn to love others this way too.
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Mike
We learn to care about others without losing our common sense. We learn to protect our spirit from harm. Prayer for the day, higher power help me see others clearly, help me love them, but help me choose carefully whom I trust. Action for the day. Today, I'll list three people I trust the most and I'll write down why.
00:09:18.35
Bill
See, how how many people?
00:09:19.96
Mike
right Yeah, now. And you know what? It's funny. Actually, when I read that this morning, I did pause for a moment and run a few names through my head. and I actually came up with more than three. So there you go.
00:09:34.13
Bill
Yeah, I didn't ah quite honestly, I was scribbling down something. I didn't and didn't hear if it was three or five or or whatever it was, but um yeah, so, I mean, let's let's start there because you and I have talked about this openly on here as far as, you know, um let's go to meet the parents, you know, our circle of trust, right?
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Mike
Hmm.
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Bill
And and i talked to I've talked to a lot of people in the program and sobriety and all that stuff that, you know, used to have this huge wide group of what they thought were friends or had, you know, friends.
00:10:02.72
Mike
Sure.
00:10:03.81
Bill
and it um you know it dwindles sometimes it dwindles immediately after we get sober because you know there's the the non drinkers that don't accept us or or i'm sorry the drinkers that don't accept us or the people who drink that maybe accept us but we don't we're just not in that mode anymore because you and i have talked about that
00:10:12.51
Mike
Right. right
00:10:20.41
Bill
So um I don't know, I mean, right off the top of your head as you're, and the people you trust, are they the closest to you? Are they people outside of, do you have people outside of the the program? Whether or not you want to name people is up to you, but um I don't know, let's let's start there as far as your your circle of trust.
00:10:30.86
Mike
Mm-hmm My circle of trust um No, I'm yes. There are there are people in my life that I trust today Um, and the reason that I trust these people is they showed me that they're trustworthy.
00:10:48.73
Bill
Right.
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Mike
Um Right, you know, I i mean kind of way why this reading sort of jumped out at me this morning made me actually pause, you know, that more than sometimes I usually do.
00:11:03.62
Mike
Um, is I really thought about it. I mean, yes, or not. I'm not talking about early sobriety. I'm talking about like where we're at now and where I'm at now.
00:11:13.15
Bill
Right.
00:11:15.13
Mike
And, um,
00:11:19.31
Mike
You know, the the phrase I'm too sober for this shit comes to mind.
00:11:24.44
Bill
Right, right, right, yeah.
00:11:26.29
Mike
Uh, yeah, I mean, I, you know, there's, there's, there's certain amounts of bullshit that it was I really don't put up with any bullshit anymore. Um, there's a, there's a little bit I sort of have to, um, again, not getting deep into it, but you know, yeah, there's always a little bit of bullshit somewhere in your life that you have to deal with because you do it's, it's kind of, it's kind of the right thing to do.
00:11:47.17
Bill
Right.
00:11:51.65
Mike
So you sort of, you know, tolerate a certain level, but, um, Yeah, but for the most part, I mean, I just don't anymore because I can't. um I just, I'm not delusional anymore. Imagine that.
00:12:05.62
Mike
Um, I, I can't, I can't rationalize and justify bullshit anymore in myself.
00:12:05.72
Bill
Right.
00:12:11.01
Mike
And um if I can't do it with myself, I'm sure as hell not doing it with somebody else. Cause I liked rationalizing and justifying my bullshit. You know, it was a goddamn way of life for a long time.
00:12:22.96
Bill
Yeah.
00:12:23.26
Mike
Um, and again, if I can't do it for myself anymore and I can't, I'm sure as hell not doing it for you.
00:12:31.12
Bill
Right.
00:12:31.24
Mike
Um. Yeah. So, you know, but, um, back to the, the, the people I trust, yes, because they've shown that they're trustworthy. Um, and, and I appreciate that. And I, I, you know, uh, and if for some reason these people that I trust, um, start becoming untrustworthy, Hey, guess what?
00:12:51.31
Mike
I'm not going to fucking trust them anymore.
00:12:53.25
Bill
Right.
00:12:53.50
Mike
Uh, you know, um, Well, you know, so but I do. ah Again, it's the choices that I've made in my life today because of my sobriety. I can make these choices in my life freedom oh that ah yes, there are most of the people in my life today that have any meaning in my life today are trustworthy. there there's you know There's a correlation there, man.
00:13:21.57
Bill
Right.
00:13:22.31
Mike
Yeah, if you're in my life today, I'm probably gonna trust you. if if If I can't trust you, but you're not my fucking life.
00:13:30.98
Bill
Right. Yeah. And that's a man. That's a really, um, that, that seems so simple, but I mean, it is, it's true, you know, because, you know, I, there was, I know plenty of people in my life that were, well, I wasn't trustworthy.
00:13:35.83
Mike
Mm.
00:13:43.91
Bill
So, I mean, I probably wasn't really being very choosy.
00:13:44.00
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:13:47.25
Bill
Um, you know, with the people I was, I was spending time with or hanging with her or whatever the case may be. But.
00:13:52.11
Mike
Right.
00:13:52.67
Bill
um You know, it's it's kind of funny because I mean you and I have talked and you know even joked about the fact that I mean I've given you my wallet before I've given you my my debit card I've given you my my credit card and there was one time I think I There was something you you had bought for me or paid you back.
00:14:02.03
Mike
Right. Right. Mm hmm.
00:14:10.09
Bill
I remember I gave you my credit card I'm like just use it for gas on the way back home or whatever it was, you know, you you're texting me You're like, what's your fucking zip code dude?
00:14:13.09
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:14:17.79
Bill
I can't get gas
00:14:18.70
Mike
yeah
00:14:19.25
Bill
yeah You know, and it was, it wasn't, ah it was a matter of, okay, next time I see you and said it was one of my, I had a couple of cars at the time and I'll let just take to take this one because whatever it was, we had, we had offset something.
00:14:26.65
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:14:30.89
Bill
I'm like, just take this.
00:14:31.41
Mike
Yeah.
00:14:32.45
Bill
I don't have any cash.
00:14:32.71
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:14:33.29
Bill
Go, go get some fucking gas. You know?
00:14:35.35
Mike
Yeah.
00:14:35.62
Bill
um But they're in like, obviously, you know, I mean, my kids, my kids I trust. I mean, we got this whole group of friends that um that I trust.
00:14:41.11
Mike
this
00:14:43.75
Mike
Right.
00:14:44.40
Bill
I mean, my, obviously Kathy, you know, our sister I trust.
00:14:47.63
Mike
right
00:14:47.92
Bill
But, you know, there's, um and I've been really open about this, that without without a doubt, when I take all those different people, and I think they all are aware of the fact that, you know, I told my told my kids, I'm like, if I ever fuck up, I'm like, but at the time when but mom was still alive and all sorts of things, I'm like,
00:15:04.14
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:15:05.88
Bill
Don't call, don't call Aunt Kathy.
00:15:07.63
Mike
Right.
00:15:07.86
Bill
Don't call grandma.
00:15:08.82
Mike
Yep.
00:15:08.88
Bill
Don't call anyone else. I said, you've got Mike's number. Call him.
00:15:11.30
Mike
Mm hmm. Yep.
00:15:12.26
Bill
I said, they're like, I don't, I don't give a fuck whoever else is around. Call him.
00:15:15.84
Mike
Yeah.
00:15:16.25
Bill
You know what I'm saying? Cause he knows me the best, you know?
00:15:18.39
Mike
Yeah.
00:15:19.32
Bill
And, and you're one person where, and I don't care what it is, there is literally nothing that I would be either cautious or shy or afraid to tell you
00:15:26.84
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:15:29.56
Bill
because I mean, we're we're close, but we're also in the in the same place as far as we we are who we are together type of thing.
00:15:35.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:15:35.68
Bill
you know um But then again, you know we we grew up and we we developed and we we grew in this whole thing together too, which I think is part of it.
00:15:36.03
Mike
Right.
00:15:43.36
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:15:44.60
Bill
you know and
00:15:44.61
Mike
Well, yeah. Our foundations are made it of the same thing.
00:15:47.63
Bill
Yeah, exactly.
00:15:48.09
Mike
Yeah.
00:15:48.74
Bill
Yeah. And you know, I mean, Kathy, I, well, my shit, my ex-wives, you know, I'm, um, Dawn, I, I, I could still, if we ever had the opportunity, I could sit down and talk to her.
00:15:52.93
Mike
Right.
00:15:57.68
Bill
I could talk to, you know, Pam, um, you know, but there's certain things that I, and no offense to any of them, including my kids or Kathy or anything like that.
00:15:59.47
Mike
right
00:16:05.70
Bill
There's, there's some things that I just, I would not talk to them about because it's more of a, it's a you conversation, you know?
00:16:05.68
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:16:09.11
Mike
Right.
00:16:11.92
Bill
And I mean,
00:16:12.04
Mike
Sure. And, and, and quite frankly, right.
00:16:13.22
Bill
yeah
00:16:15.39
Mike
And you're not going to lay that shit on them because they don't deserve it.
00:16:19.90
Bill
You know what that's that's a that's a really good point now is just trying to figure out the, the why behind that and that's that's so that's the way to put it they don't they don't, they don't deserve to hear.
00:16:24.74
Mike
Hmm. Yeah.
00:16:28.77
Bill
um Sometimes I mean what I because I don't think about the shit that we talk on here sometimes I do.
00:16:32.26
Mike
Hmm. Right.
00:16:33.35
Bill
There's conversations that I'll never breach on here or never, never open up about on here because I wouldn't want it to.
00:16:37.74
Mike
Right.
00:16:39.79
Bill
um affect anyone in the wrong way. Again, I'll tell my story all day long.
00:16:42.71
Mike
Absolutely.
00:16:44.25
Bill
You and I tell our stories.
00:16:44.66
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:16:46.09
Bill
There's people involved in them, you know, but I'll tell fun stories about Dawn or Pam or whatever it is.
00:16:50.10
Mike
Right. Sure.
00:16:50.90
Bill
But um I'm not going to tell their side of the stories about, you know, anything like that. It's just not it's not my place.
00:16:56.16
Mike
Exactly.
00:16:56.24
Bill
Same thing with my kids, you know, um you know, but yeah, what a what a great point that yeah they don't they don't deserve to hear that shit.
00:17:02.79
Mike
Right.
00:17:04.02
Bill
And that's there's just no better way to put that. That's fucking awesome. I like that.
00:17:06.66
Mike
Yeah, right. and Exactly. And apparently I do.
00:17:11.62
Bill
Well, and I...
00:17:12.27
Mike
Well, because of my past behavior and that's kind of how this whole ah this whole thing works is right.
00:17:17.89
Bill
Right.
00:17:18.06
Mike
we You know, we we kind of, we owe and part of that that debt that we owe is is taking the shit from other alcoholics and and and you know, right, shared is a problem cut in half.
00:17:30.07
Mike
Well, where's that other half go? On another alcoholic.
00:17:31.89
Bill
Right? Well, in the in the other thing too, as much as we we don't want to admit it, whether it's you know me talking to you, you talking to me, us talking to somebody else in the program, um that other person needs to hear those stories.
00:17:42.23
Mike
Right.
00:17:44.52
Bill
That's how we grow. you know I need to hear all this shit because I can help.
00:17:47.45
Mike
Right.
00:17:48.58
Bill
you know Again, I can help that problem. like These are the parts of how we pass it along and how we grow.
00:17:51.91
Mike
Right.
00:17:53.27
Bill
um So it is, it's ah it's a lifeblood for us to be able to have those conversations. I never think about telling stories to anyone. there's again There's people maybe even in our media friend group that I wouldn't have as deep a conversation as I would with you.
00:18:05.78
Bill
It's no offense to them. It's just the, again, there's this this bond that you and I have have had over the years and you know it's just that this growth that we've had.
00:18:07.08
Mike
Right.
00:18:11.07
Mike
right
00:18:12.74
Bill
But um yeah, the the trusting part of it, that's a, what a great way to put it though. therere I can't think of anyone in my life, thankfully, right now that's in my life that I don't trust.
00:18:22.40
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:18:25.51
Mike
Right.
00:18:25.54
Bill
you know And you know even from a work standpoint, I mean, uh my my manager i mean i've worked for people before that i don't trust um you know my my manager stealing a lot of people he says some shit that he gets some of his typical it's just the way things are in this business in this industry i'm in and i just kind of like i'm like yeah well i i know that i'm part of it but i know i'm not doing those things you know at least not today so i'm not i'm just gonna let it be you know and i'm not gonna make a big stink or get my fucking feelings hurt over it it's not worth it
00:18:30.90
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:18:48.79
Mike
Sure.
00:18:53.10
Mike
Right.
00:18:53.37
Bill
you know But I do, I trust him. I trust that he's not trying to fuck me over and I trust that he wants me to grow because that, and I know it's a selfish thing, it helps him as much as it helps me.
00:18:56.46
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:19:00.96
Mike
Sure. Absolutely. Right.
00:19:03.57
Bill
But God, that's a, what a great point. And yeah, mike my circle of friends, my circle of trust has grown very small.
00:19:09.92
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:19:11.70
Bill
um I've met some people on Instagram that i I consider friends, you know, over the last couple of years, but um that's about the the only growth I've had in friendship has been, you know, so again, some people I've met, these are sober people, though, that I've met on, you know, through Instagram or that we've met, you know, guests and stuff we've had, so.
00:19:15.69
Mike
Sure.
00:19:24.02
Mike
Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You know, I, yeah, you know, people in my, my home group and stuff, um, you know, they, they, they come and go.
00:19:32.66
Bill
Right.
00:19:33.94
Mike
Um, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, since, uh, Foxy Don is, you know, older, and isn't there all the time anymore and stuff. I mean, I'm the most consistent member of that group for the last, you know, wherever fucking, while I've been there over 14 years.
00:19:49.81
Mike
So.
00:19:50.70
Bill
Right.
00:19:50.71
Mike
Yeah, you know, i' I'm the goddamn old timer. And so yeah, people come and go out of there. And um yeah, you know, so that I get, I get new people that I hang out with and stuff because of that. um But yeah, as far as like, you know, new people in my life, no, not damn me neither. You know, I mean, I've got my core set of friends and Shit.
00:20:13.15
Mike
It's enough. Again, like we've talked about that enough thing, you know, it's, it's enough.
00:20:17.57
Bill
right
00:20:18.92
Mike
I don't need more, you know, of anything anymore, which is wonderful.
00:20:20.56
Bill
Great.
00:20:24.41
Bill
Let's say when we were talking to Dr. Sarah and talking about the whole relationship thing, and I'm like, yeah, that's one of my, again, going back to fear, you know getting involved. I'm not afraid to get involved with somebody, but it's ah it is a side thought.
00:20:35.75
Bill
I'm like, well, what the fuck, man?
00:20:37.03
Mike
Right.
00:20:37.23
Bill
you know it's not You're not just buying into that person. It's like, what what if I hate her friends? you know I mean, what if she hates my friends?
00:20:41.17
Mike
right
00:20:43.28
Bill
i mean you know um i And I'm not saying that anyone, um I'm not changing my friend group for anyone because I can't.
00:20:43.35
Mike
Right.
00:20:49.31
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:20:51.03
Bill
you know it's um And you know,
00:20:51.13
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:20:53.52
Bill
I can't, I can't be like, oh yeah, I'm not gonna hang around those drunks anymore. Yeah, here yeah you're right, they're a bunch of fucking drug addicts and alcoholics.
00:20:56.39
Mike
Right.
00:20:59.55
Bill
Well, yeah, of course, that's what I that's what i need.
00:21:00.37
Mike
Yeah, they are.
00:21:02.75
Bill
but um you know So I'm not changed, wouldn't I wouldn't expect somebody else to change, but there would be that that blend.
00:21:07.25
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:21:08.44
Bill
um And yeah, like you said, that it's enough. i mean i'm i'm not I'm not opposed to meeting new people, but I'm very, very picky.
00:21:13.46
Mike
Mm-mm.
00:21:16.83
Mike
Yeah, right. Again, too sober for this shit.
00:21:20.85
Bill
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
00:21:20.92
Mike
Yeah, yeah. You know, I imagine that we have standards today.
00:21:22.34
Bill
um um
00:21:25.71
Bill
Oh, that's it that's a scary thought, isn't it? I mean, wait a second. These guys have standards.
00:21:30.88
Mike
Yes, we do.
00:21:31.12
Bill
Who? Really?
00:21:33.12
Mike
No, really.
00:21:35.76
Bill
But um yeah that's a what a yeah, what a great thought. I like that. I like the trust thing. but So a couple of other things that it that I wrote down. First of all, and um I was going to say this, but I'm just going to, right off the bat when you said the God grabbing was a dry hole and you giggled to yourself.
00:21:48.81
Mike
Yeah, I do like that.
00:21:50.50
Bill
Oh, fucking laugh at my, I wrote it down and I circled it, the dry hole. yeah thank Thank you because I was i was laughing. But um choose our neighbors, love ourselves and love others.
00:21:58.08
Mike
this
00:22:03.44
Bill
Strengths and weaknesses I wrote down. How much the trust it how much to trust others. You waffily web it. Um, we kind of already talked about that, see if it's clearly sort of, but so choosing your, your neighbor kind of goes along the same lines, right?
00:22:19.46
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:22:19.56
Bill
I mean, you know, kind of choosing, well, I mean, you can't choose where you live, but you can choose whether or not you want to, you know, hang out with your, with your neighbors or, or that sort of thing.
00:22:22.82
Mike
Right.
00:22:25.46
Mike
No, absolutely.
00:22:27.11
Bill
So, but, um,
00:22:27.25
Mike
Right. Yeah. You know, well, I mean, when I have permanent neighbors, um, yeah right.
00:22:32.98
Bill
right.
00:22:34.47
Mike
Yeah. I mean, clearly you've been here, you know, one side is, uh, I most certainly don't hang out with them. Uh, they're loud and they're drunk and they're a pain in the ass. Um, you know, and then the neighbor on the other side is a sweet older lady that, you know, I do little favors for, I'm not supposed to talk about it, but.
00:22:51.57
Mike
Um, you know, and, and we have little conversations here and there. You were, she came out on her porch when you were here last time and, you know, yeah, said, hi, how you doing?
00:22:58.07
Bill
Right.
00:23:00.14
Mike
Blah, blah, blah. How things going? Whatever. Yeah. I like her, you know, um, I, I would imagine I trust her.
00:23:05.92
Bill
Right.
00:23:06.14
Mike
Yeah. You know, the other ones, hell no.
00:23:08.85
Bill
yeah And you know what, when, when I was there, um, this, well, whatever that was a couple of weeks ago, they were, um, and maybe it's just a little bit of the weather change or whatever it was. They were relatively quiet.
00:23:19.18
Bill
I mean, there was, there wasn't a lot of like noise and shit like that.
00:23:19.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:23:21.99
Bill
There was the, there's a lady behind you that has a dog and she was yelling at her dog quite a bit.
00:23:27.16
Mike
Really?
00:23:27.46
Bill
Um, Oh yeah. That's like in the backyard.
00:23:29.06
Mike
Yeah.
00:23:30.20
Bill
I think the yard right behind you. I think she was trying to get her dog to go to the bathroom.
00:23:31.80
Mike
Great.
00:23:33.98
Bill
God damn it. Go. God damn it go But she was yeah, she was a little loud every once in a while But you know the thing of it is is I couldn't have the it was it wasn't like it was medium temperature It wasn't like it was hot or anything like that a cool down I think midweek while I was there but a couple of days it was a little bit warmer But I couldn't have the window open just because there there is there's noise and just regular outside noise but
00:23:47.82
Mike
Right. Right. Right. Mm hmm. Yeah, right. Well, I live in this city, right?
00:23:59.02
Bill
Yeah, but I mean even yeah just in general, I mean, it wasn't a big deal, but no, yeah, they weren't really that that loud. But yeah, I've been there. I've been there quite a bit and just shit just on here. you know we've yeah we've We've heard them on the recording, yeah which again, it fucking is what it is.
00:24:07.68
Mike
hey
00:24:10.90
Mike
Yeah.
00:24:14.19
Bill
But so loving ourselves and loving others. I think we've talked about this a little bit. um you know is it Do you think it's along the same lines of you know like forgiving ourselves before we can forgive others type of mindset?
00:24:27.63
Mike
Sure.
00:24:28.07
Bill
or okay
00:24:29.13
Mike
Yeah, definitely. you know But yeah, again, you know I can't can't truly love anybody else unless I love myself and I can't love myself unless I can truly love others.
00:24:39.04
Bill
Right.
00:24:39.68
Mike
Yeah, it's all part of the deal. Yeah, I like myself now and I like the people, again, that I choose to have in my life. And the rest of them, I can't fucking stand, but...
00:24:52.29
Bill
ah yeah Right.
00:24:55.43
Mike
But and that's never going to change, you know, and love everybody. Fuck no, I'm not loving everybody. Everybody, you know, the majority of people are assholes. I'm not, yeah you know, I'm not going to try to hurt them, but I don't have to fucking love them.
00:25:08.94
Bill
Right.
00:25:10.14
Mike
And I'm sure as hell not trusted them.
00:25:12.81
Bill
Well, and and I mean, we're neither one of us are, you know, of the of the opinion, there's no way in the world that we think everyone loves us either. So, you know, and that's the, I think that's the thing being realists about stuff like that.
00:25:19.85
Mike
Oh God, no.
00:25:24.56
Mike
from
00:25:25.32
Bill
I mean, I sure as fuck don't love everyone else. And there's no way in the world that I'm delusional enough to think that everyone loves me.
00:25:31.48
Mike
Right.
00:25:31.80
Bill
Like I'm God's gift to whatever.
00:25:33.94
Mike
And, you know, and the cool thing is I don't need everyone to love me anymore. So um yeah you have to like me.
00:25:40.11
Bill
Right.
00:25:42.19
Mike
I'm a wonderful person. now I'm okay. And I don't give a fuck.
00:25:46.35
Bill
Right. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's nice to get, you know, positive validation from those again, that you care, love and trust.
00:25:51.28
Mike
Sure. Yeah. That said that I value their opinion, right?
00:25:55.49
Bill
Right.
00:25:55.68
Mike
If I don't value your opinion, what do I care one way or another?
00:25:56.08
Bill
Right.
00:25:58.36
Mike
What you think of me, whether you think I'm greater or not, it doesn't, if I don't value your opinion, I don't care if you think I'm the greatest thing in the fucking world. That doesn't count either.
00:26:07.43
Bill
right Yeah, you get the slimiest, evilest piece of shit in the universe and like, dude, you're all right. Like don't say that, don't.
00:26:13.38
Mike
reg Thank you.
00:26:15.88
Bill
I don't i don't want you to like me.
00:26:17.56
Mike
No, right.
00:26:17.67
Bill
That that scares me.
00:26:19.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:26:21.19
Bill
But dumb so seeing, others again, seeing others clearly, I think we had talked about choosing carefully. um But what about strengths and in weaknesses? I don't remember exactly how that was put, but I think it was talking about us, um I mean, recognizing our strengths and weaknesses.
00:26:35.73
Bill
I don't know if I'm right about that. I'm not meaning for you to necessarily pull out your book, but it sounds like you may have.
00:26:39.29
Mike
earth
00:26:43.80
Mike
ah Strengths and weaknesses. I don't even see that in here.
00:26:47.20
Bill
Probably in the, it it was be I think it was in the main section.
00:26:50.65
Mike
Right. lot neighbors learn Oh, yeah.
00:26:53.74
Bill
yeah
00:26:54.40
Mike
There we go. Oh, learn to love, uh, love ourselves. Honestly, seeing our strengths and our weaknesses. Right.
00:27:01.35
Bill
Okay, right, right.
00:27:01.52
Mike
Yeah. Well, doing an inventory, right.
00:27:04.09
Bill
And that's ah that's that's how how I thought that it was it was written in there. And that's that is, that's something that, um you know, same deal.
00:27:07.85
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:27:10.28
Bill
I mean, we learned that, we learned that shit along the way, you know, at least we should.
00:27:13.41
Mike
Right.
00:27:13.99
Bill
If we don't, I mean, I don't think we're gonna have much of a, we're gonna have an existence and not a life if we can't, if we get if we can't see our strengths and weaknesses but then going back to you know whenever whenever it was that i I didn't recognize that I sure as fuck didn't recognize what I did my fourth you know looking at the the strengths I had and even for the 10 step per years you know I didn't look at the
00:27:14.36
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:27:33.49
Mike
Right.
00:27:34.92
Bill
at the good things I did. i mean the The main thing is, and I guess I just want to make this clear, I wasn't beating myself up about shit.
00:27:40.02
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:27:40.72
Bill
I just wasn't. I was just looking at the things that I needed to improve or areas where I could be a better person, not necessarily saying, oh, by the way, I did good work over here, um which again, I mean, I don't I don't know.
00:27:47.51
Mike
Sure.
00:27:50.17
Mike
he yeah Right.
00:27:52.72
Bill
Do I even need my own fucking validation? I know what I'm I know what I'm not doing a good job. and i do know deep down without even thinking about it that i know what it means and i know what it feels like to do the next right thing and if i'm not doing it i know that so i don't even i don't know i don't really even have to focus on that you know it's that again it's that gut feeling you know that that we get so which is again a gift oh
00:28:06.46
Mike
Right. Sure.
00:28:16.22
Bill
Speaking of that, there was a Facebook memory that came up today. um It was 10 years ago today that I was sitting in that bar with Dawn after Derek's football season was ending.
00:28:28.59
Mike
Ah, nice.
00:28:29.73
Bill
Yeah, so it was when, yeah, 10 years ago today, so you figure again, I was four and a half years sober.
00:28:34.58
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:28:34.96
Bill
I couldn't, when I was telling that story to begin with, I couldn't remember if it was somewhere between that three to five or or that, you know, four to, I didn't know.
00:28:42.34
Mike
Right.
00:28:42.37
Bill
you know but yeah so literally four and a half four and a half years sober sitting in a bar and then Dawn had to go meet up with somebody and the kids were outside playing and there I am sitting sitting at a high top table in a fucking bar all by myself and like and again it was that just made me think about is that it was that
00:28:51.04
Mike
Hmm.
00:28:56.34
Mike
hey
00:29:00.44
Bill
the beautiful part of having that gut feeling that I'm like, you don't fucking belong here, man.
00:29:02.98
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:29:04.83
Bill
You got to go.
00:29:05.11
Mike
Right.
00:29:05.69
Bill
You know, I just just walked outside.
00:29:05.75
Mike
Yeah. Time to leave.
00:29:07.30
Bill
Yeah. Just walked outside and hung out with the kids until, uh, cause, uh, Alec, my stepson was going, uh, coming by to pick up Derek or whenever it was, but yeah, it just, it kind of like, goddamn 10 years ago.
00:29:07.72
Mike
Yeah.
00:29:13.48
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:29:17.61
Bill
Again, where's the fucking time go?
00:29:19.82
Mike
I have no clue.
00:29:22.59
Bill
All right. So, um oh, just real quick. I have zero fucking recollection of that that reading this morning. None.
00:29:29.34
Mike
Ah, nice.
00:29:29.72
Bill
Not even that and not even a glimmer. i was I was tired and that kind of goes along with my so my story that I'll tell a little bit, but um I was like really fucking tired this morning and um maybe I did.
00:29:41.13
Bill
Maybe I just kind of, I don't know, yeah kind of slept walked through my readings.
00:29:42.41
Mike
Sure.
00:29:45.02
Bill
I did them. I remember sitting here doing them, you know, but
00:29:46.80
Mike
sure Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, that happens to me too. Right. I mean, I, you know, I'll, I'll read it. I know I'm reading it. I'm looking at the words and I know what they mean, but yeah, right.
00:30:02.03
Mike
It's like, okay, I've read that. Put it aside and off you move.
00:30:03.83
Bill
Right.
00:30:05.30
Mike
Yeah.
00:30:06.39
Bill
But you know, I mean, still the the cool part, though, was that, um you know, and we've we figured it out, it's it's happened, it's happened on here, it's happened in regular conversation that, you know, the these things do stick.
00:30:06.57
Mike
Yeah.
00:30:16.13
Bill
I mean, they're, they they go in there and they stick in it, you know, at some point, they're, they're deep, maybe deep in my brain. um But you know again, it's if nothing else, if nothing else, I took the action.
00:30:27.25
Bill
We took the action this morning and did our readings.
00:30:28.32
Mike
Mm-hmm, right.
00:30:29.97
Bill
And we we know we absorbed it, you know at least at the time. And i don't I don't just kind of read it and go like, ha blah, blah, blah, I'm doing my readings, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:37.55
Mike
All right.
00:30:38.50
Bill
I do pay attention, but I just sometimes, this is probably the worst one in a while that literally not a word of it. I i don't remember a fucking word of it, which is, again, it feels kind of terrible, but ah like you said, you know it is what it is.
00:30:52.26
Mike
This episode is brought to you by Previcin.
00:30:55.79
Bill
What the fuck is prepogen?
00:30:57.20
Mike
Isn't it that memory shit?
00:30:59.02
Bill
See, I probably forgot that too.
00:31:00.31
Mike
yeah Jellyfish goo.
00:31:05.23
Bill
yeah I don't know. I i have no idea. and you know the The thing of it is, my memory is really not all that bad.
00:31:11.60
Mike
the
00:31:11.86
Bill
um you know ah just it's My dad, and I know I said this before, but years ago he said that just the older you get, you know you're you're going to have so much stuff on your mind that you're just your brain only has Your active brain only has so much space, you know, to, you know, the things that are in the front of your brain, you know, so it just, I mean, just by, again, older, more responsibilities, more life, more life things.
00:31:25.24
Mike
Right.
00:31:34.60
Bill
like I get a lot of useless shit in my brain too, that's probably taken up unnecessary space.
00:31:39.54
Mike
Right.
00:31:41.73
Bill
Or I could just pull out some fucking factoid from a cartoon from, you know, 30 years ago or well, probably 40 years ago now, you know, but
00:31:46.61
Mike
Yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm.
00:31:49.68
Bill
um yeah that's saying I probably got it well and plus like you always say a couple of brain cells would killed off here and there right ah so um anything else with the reading I mean that's good one I do even though I don't remember and I liked it so
00:31:52.46
Mike
Uh, one or two.
00:32:03.80
Mike
Right. Yeah. No, I think, I think we covered it.
00:32:07.48
Bill
Okay, so one thing I wanted to to bring up and i'll obviously you this this part of it you'll clearly lead the conversation on because I did not know much about the gentleman, um but Paul from Iron Maiden died, right?
00:32:14.81
Mike
Hmm.
00:32:19.06
Mike
Ah, yes. Mr. Diano.
00:32:20.96
Bill
OK, so um and I know I've heard the name. I don't know a lot about it. But a couple of things that I don't know if he was one of us.
00:32:24.79
Mike
Hmm.
00:32:28.74
Bill
I don't know how he died. Obviously, I know of Iron Maiden. I know he was the lead singer, just because I heard or read this part from, what, late 70s, early 80s when he was the lead singer? Yes, no?
00:32:39.58
Bill
OK.
00:32:39.60
Mike
Yes. Yeah.
00:32:40.24
Bill
But other than that, I mean, i I don't know a lot about it. But so do you know anything about what? Because he was only 66, I think, right?
00:32:47.33
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah. He was 66.
00:32:49.10
Bill
OK.
00:32:49.93
Mike
He had health issues for a long time. um Uh, yeah, lots of drugs, lots of booze, long time. Um, I don't know. I i don't think he was like sober sober.
00:33:01.41
Mike
I am pretty sure he wasn't program or any of that stuff. Um, yeah. I mean, the guy's been in a wheelchair for a couple of years, at least probably four.
00:33:09.53
Bill
Oh, really?
00:33:10.11
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:11.17
Bill
Oh shit, see, I didn't know that.
00:33:11.15
Mike
he's Yeah. Yeah. Big time health issues. Um, I'm sure as a consequence of, you know, but lifestyle. Uh, yeah, you know, and, um, I mean, they haven't announced anything yet. Um, I will say, right. I mean, most people, um, you know, Iron Maiden, they know, uh, Bruce Dickinson, you know, all the success and whatever, but the first two albums were Paul Diano. And, um, yeah, I.
00:33:36.65
Mike
From this heavy metal guy's ah perspective, yeah, those are the best albums. um ah you know When I do the metal show once a year, the only Iron Maiden I play is Paul Deano, Iron Maiden.
00:33:49.74
Mike
it's Yeah, that's that's the shit, that's the good stuff. um Before they got real slick and yeah.
00:33:54.17
Bill
Okay.
00:33:56.35
Mike
He was, uh, he was rough. He was, um, I saw him live once in the eighties with, uh, his solo band battle zone. Um, killer show. Great. Still was, you know, doing the shit. Um, yeah, you know, uh, it's, it's a shame. Too damn young. Um, you know, guess what? Alcohol and drugs don't make you healthier.
00:34:19.63
Bill
Wait, wait a second.
00:34:20.26
Mike
Right. That one down.
00:34:21.83
Bill
Wait, wait. Is it alcohol and drugs or just alcohol?
00:34:24.91
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:34:27.94
Bill
Do, do not, right?
00:34:29.24
Mike
Do not do not.
00:34:29.85
Bill
may Make, it healthier or healthy at all?
00:34:32.89
Mike
Hell, no, healthier. Yes.
00:34:36.28
Bill
Healthy her, okay, okay.
00:34:38.05
Mike
Yes. su soon
00:34:40.62
Bill
yeah Einstein.
00:34:43.10
Mike
Right.
00:34:44.75
Bill
but And that was my main question, but I didn't want to ask it before you explained it. I didn't know if he was either one of us or tried to be one of us. And I just mean that I didn't know if he tried to get to get sober or anything like that at any point.
00:34:54.02
Mike
Sure. Um, four probably, um, yeah, but I mean, it was never, yeah, he was never, uh, vocal about it and it was never like part of the thing.
00:34:59.01
Bill
Okay.
00:35:06.04
Mike
So, you know, and I'm 90% sure some of the later photos, he had a beer in his hand and a couple of the pictures and whatever. So, you know, um, I don't think you ever totally quit.
00:35:18.17
Mike
Got sober, or sober. Um, yeah, you know, but again,
00:35:20.17
Bill
Right.
00:35:22.71
Mike
Yeah. i mean Like I said, the guy had been in a wheelchair for at least the last four years. Um, just, yeah, some messed up stuff.
00:35:30.65
Bill
Yeah, see that that I'm in again I knew um I know of Iron Maiden and obviously a little bit I just it's the same thing I mean when I listen out the whole the whole Judas Priest thing I mean I again I knew of them I mean that was the whole I mean I grew up with all of that that music around me knew a lot of their music but I didn't know all the fucking backstories that's why
00:35:34.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:35:41.38
Mike
Sure.
00:35:48.35
Bill
um What's his Facebook book was so dick so goddamn good. I mean it was I I enjoyed the living shit out of it, you know It's just fucking wonderful.
00:35:51.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:35:54.78
Mike
Right.
00:35:56.89
Bill
Ooh side note on that remind me about um Al Pacino he's he's got a book out now um But yeah, so I just didn't know I saw that I saw your post on on Facebook about it and then um a lot of stuff between Instagram and um Obviously on Facebook.
00:36:00.78
Mike
All right.
00:36:13.81
Bill
I've seen a lot of people posting some stuff about him.
00:36:14.04
Mike
Right.
00:36:15.77
Bill
So yeah, I
00:36:15.87
Mike
Yep. And, uh, supposedly, uh, uh, the guy that did the Lemmy documentary and the damn documentary, um, has been working on a Paul D'Anno documentary and it's supposed to be out next week year year.
00:36:27.05
Mike
So, uh, yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
00:36:27.99
Bill
Oh, really? Hmm. Okay.
00:36:30.53
Mike
Yeah.
00:36:30.67
Bill
Yeah, I mean, again, that's something that, you know, I, I would, I would definitely love to love to watch or so it's, ah it's a documentary on a book, right?
00:36:37.78
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:38.65
Bill
Okay.
00:36:38.66
Mike
Yeah. Yep.
00:36:39.23
Bill
Okay. But either way, either way, that'd be cool.
00:36:40.41
Mike
yep
00:36:41.95
Bill
Well, yeah, that's a shame. I mean, one one way or the other, I mean, but like you say, you know, but drugs and alcohol do not make you healthier.
00:36:48.00
Mike
Hmm. Healthier. Right.
00:36:51.29
Bill
um Yeah. I mean, it's the thing we've been talking about it, you know, for probably a couple of years now off and on that just that whatever, whatever ends up killing both of us is probably going to be, you know, at least the sideline to to some of the damage.
00:36:59.22
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:37:03.05
Mike
Sure.
00:37:04.08
Bill
Again, I mean, I think I'm okay, but I mean, I get, I get, I don't think I should be this fucking sore all the time.
00:37:05.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:37:09.24
Bill
Maybe. and i'm just You know, I see other people that are, you know, my age and you see somebody that's all fucking worked out and jacked and whatever. And I'm like, I don't want to do that.
00:37:15.33
Mike
Yeah.
00:37:17.07
Bill
But, you know, they're probably feeling a bit feeling a little bit yeah know better than I do to the even get to that point.
00:37:17.24
Mike
No.
00:37:20.95
Mike
little bit better. Yeah. But you know, on the flip side, I see people that aren't quite as old as we are and they're, you know, they're barely moving around and fat and whatever.
00:37:30.04
Bill
Yeah, that's a good point.
00:37:30.36
Mike
And you know, so, you know, I, I think we're all right.
00:37:34.64
Bill
Yeah, and and seriously it's ah I mean that's one of the, one of the biggest things that we talk about it and I'm not trying to, you know, talk down on people in high school or anything or from high school but it does it just blows my mind when I see, you know, some of these pictures and people on like Facebook or whatever it is I'm like holy fuck man, and literally I.
00:37:48.27
Mike
Right. Yeah, you're fucking old.
00:37:51.71
Bill
Well, and, and I know I mean yeah but I mean that's just it's one of those things that I there, there's a clear difference between, you know, I think the, you know, that that that's why I would love to get that, that one picture I posted to be you know obviously
00:37:53.06
Mike
Tore up.
00:38:06.74
Bill
the birthday before I got sober. So whatever it was, six months, five months, whatever, eight months.
00:38:08.40
Mike
Right.
00:38:10.58
Bill
And then, you know, we posted that picture of you where you were sitting on your bed and, you know, looking like hell just a few months or a couple months before you got sober. So we got a pretty good idea how we looked.
00:38:17.76
Mike
right Right.
00:38:19.82
Bill
I mean, we look like fucking babies, you know, compared to now from when like that first picture of us on the rock at the Dr. Bob's house, you know, but we were also at least we were a year sober at that point, you know um But I mean shit I it if if either one of us would have lived, you know for an extra even five years I can't even imagine what either one of us would have fucking looked like, you know um And it just it I mean I understand what alcohol does and it wears you out it dries you out it fucks you up and it and you know, messes up, especially, I mean, maybe somebody having a glass of beer or a glass of wine every once in a while, but but the way we were drinking, yeah.
00:38:27.10
Mike
Right.
00:38:31.66
Mike
Right. No, yeah.
00:38:57.73
Mike
yeah.
00:38:59.77
Bill
We're we're hitting that shit, you know, we were we were running that fucking vehicle down the road really fucking hard.
00:39:04.49
Mike
Yes, we were.
00:39:06.60
Bill
yeah Ridden heart and hug out wet. yeah
00:39:11.90
Mike
Yeah, the wheels were about to fall off.
00:39:14.91
Bill
Yeah. And that's a, that's a fucking truth. So, so real quick, um, and I was trying to think, uh, and I figured it out or remembered it as I was just running it through my head. So, um, Mark Baron interviewed, um, Al Pacino, one of his recent episodes.
00:39:27.83
Mike
Yes. I saw that I did. I hadn't listened to it, but I saw that he was on there. It was, it's, uh, on the, yes. On the many that I haven't gotten to yet.
00:39:37.82
Bill
it's It's good, and I listened to, I can't remember the other, he was on, there's another podcast I had listened to him on, and I can't remember which one it was, but he's he's got a book out called Sunnyboy or something like that, and it's um it's on Audible now, and my re-op comes up at the beginning of the month, so I'm gonna get i'm go get that book.
00:39:47.81
Mike
Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Cool.
00:39:57.75
Bill
Very interesting, you know, what was funny though is that um Mark went along with him too, he was he had him on for, like an hour and a half or whatever it was. He went longer than like what it seemed like for normal towards the end.
00:40:05.88
Mike
Hmm. Right.
00:40:10.02
Bill
And then Mark's doing his typical say, you know, good talking to you, whatever. And fucking hell goes. So he's like, we're done. You kick at the outer sets up like that. And he's like, he goes, well, I kept that head here for an hour and a half.
00:40:21.27
Bill
It was just so fucking funny. It was a really good, engaging conversation, but I'm really actually looking forward to to listening to his book.
00:40:25.62
Mike
Cool.
00:40:29.71
Bill
I get his background and he's so fucking real. They talk about the early parts of his his career and it's just it's good.
00:40:36.00
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:40:36.63
Bill
He's interesting. you know and
00:40:37.60
Mike
Right.
00:40:38.32
Bill
um
00:40:38.36
Mike
Well, I mean, he did one of the greatest heroin movies ever made called panic and needle park.
00:40:41.97
Bill
ah Yeah, they they they touched on that a little bit, and I'm sure that I know that he goes into that in his book a little bit more, but yeah, he said, I don't know, he's talking about, again, I'm just, I'm i'm looking forward to it, but it just reminded me of it when you said the documentary or whatever the thing it was, but I don't know, I mean, i i've always I've always liked Al Pacino, but um it'll be interesting, you know, I guess, i um maybe maybe he's written a book before, I don't know, I guess it didn't sound like it, but
00:40:45.59
Mike
Yeah.
00:40:58.46
Mike
Yeah.
00:41:07.83
Mike
I don't know.
00:41:09.17
Bill
Yeah, I think you'll enjoy the interview with with Mark. I mean, he does, I don't know.
00:41:11.30
Mike
Cool.
00:41:12.83
Bill
weve We talk about Mark Barrens a goddamn much. he does ah He does a really good job when I listen to people that he has on versus the, you know, because Pacino's doing literally again, obviously, surprisingly.
00:41:14.92
Mike
Right.
00:41:22.49
Mike
Yeah, right. You saw doing a book tour, right?
00:41:23.87
Bill
Yeah, exactly. You know, he's fucking everywhere, but I don't know, probably one of the most engaging. And it was one other one. Maybe I listened to at least one other one I listened to, but yeah, it was good.
00:41:33.87
Mike
Cool.
00:41:34.98
Bill
But Mark bar does his thing and obviously is good at what he does. so
00:41:38.72
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:41:40.03
Bill
All right, so um I don't know, we could go another four minutes and split the episode in half or we could take a break now.
00:41:47.36
Mike
Oh, let's take a break now. All right. Well, stay tuned for more. So we're not mature right after these words from our sponsor.
00:42:05.28
Bill
All right, everyone, welcome back. And yeah, I was just looking at it, I'm like, we've been taking breaks a little bit later than than we used to for, I don't know, for a while, but not that it really fucking it matters.
00:42:13.46
Mike
Hmm.
00:42:15.72
Bill
It's just, usually its it just depends on whatever we, it's like, oh yeah, I think we got a clean break that we can split here real quick, so.
00:42:21.75
Mike
Die. Yeah. You know, so for all the affiliates out there.
00:42:26.90
Bill
Right.
00:42:30.51
Bill
All the affiliates and I still think it's funny. yeahs you know Who knows? Somebody probably just listened to you know two and a half to three minutes of breaks and literally it's like seven seconds that we take a break. But i mean it's not like we we haven't pulled back the curtain and told people that before. But all it does, you know honest to God, it just makes my life a little bit but bit fucking easier to so I know where to cut the episode. That's it. but um So a couple of things real quick.
00:42:55.14
Bill
So first of all, the the place here, and I'll get to that in a second, but last, look at last weekend, I told you when when we were talking, I'm like, I might just fucking leave or stay up or just fucking drive or whatever it was.
00:43:03.22
Mike
the Yeah, right.
00:43:05.99
Bill
Well, after all was said and done, and in again, being on fiber, and this is fiber internet here, so I'll have the same advantage, is the the uploads are quicker.
00:43:12.98
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:43:13.37
Bill
So I got things all done and to get everything settled, but it was still, it was, you know, like, it was almost 10 o'clock, you know, and I'm like, fuck. So I'm like, god I'm gonna lay down for like a few hours. So I did, I i woke up at 1 a.m.
00:43:26.95
Bill
Set my alarm, took a shower, did my readings the whole bit. I didn't get on social media. I'm like, I'm not fucking with any of that.
00:43:32.73
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:43:33.00
Bill
um I put the episode up at like two in the morning, just published it.
00:43:36.42
Mike
Yeah, wow.
00:43:37.55
Bill
And then, because I didn't wanna try to publish it while I was out driving, you know?
00:43:41.42
Mike
Right.
00:43:42.52
Bill
Because I don't wanna do it for my phone. So I got it published, but I didn't post it on Instagram until, I don't know, eight, nine o'clock, whatever it was. But um yeah, I mean, I left it like three in the morning.
00:43:50.81
Mike
Hit.
00:43:52.86
Bill
And as i' as I'm driving out of there, and it's like probably the first half hour, 45 minutes, I'm on kind of back roads-ish, you know, these, I'm sure what was a beautiful windy roads coming out. But you know, when it's, you know, I'm about 15 minutes into the drive, I'm like, it's fucking bar time, man.
00:44:06.97
Bill
I'm like, Jesus Christ. You know and so I'm like a little there's like nobody on the road then one person was behind me for a little bit and I'm like if this is a fucking cop, you know, I'm like I'm not doing anything But I don't I don't want to be fucked with right now, you know But nope that obviously didn't get pulled over but no it's fine that the drive was fine it got a little bit tired about I don't know three four hours in whatever it was but I I mean, I'm glad I left when I did because I got here, I got everything in, I got grocery shopping done and I was able to head down to that New River Gorge on Sunday not to worry about grocery shopping.
00:44:19.26
Mike
Right.
00:44:39.45
Bill
But so first of all, and I and i think you probably saw the pictures, I mean, there's there's what kind of been a godly number of stairs to get up to this place, which I knew from seeing. I'm like, that won't be a big deal.
00:44:49.55
Bill
was It wasn't a big deal, but it was a lot, you know. Um, and this will give you that, give you an idea. I spent 11 and a half hours ish traveling, you know, it's basically in the car or whatever.
00:44:59.98
Mike
Right.
00:45:00.15
Bill
And between leaving a place in Arkansas, which was on the second floor, I had to walk down a flight, cut over, it was second floor. So like two flights of stairs coming down. So between that, loading my car and unloading my car and being in the car for 11 and a half hours, I had 7,000 steps on Saturday. So that gives you a little bit of an idea. Yes, I grocery shopped with probably 2,000, but still 5,000 steps just loading and unloading my fucking cars. It was it was a lot.
00:45:26.30
Bill
um but So this place, it's it's kind of, ah again, it's up in the hill, it's it's back down this kind of winding road off the beaten path when you first drive into, I'll call it the to beginning of like the subdivision, but it's not really.
00:45:29.28
Mike
Hmm.
00:45:38.93
Bill
um There's some apartments that are probably lower rent type of apartments, a couple of cars, you know I don't wanna say abandoned cars, but it's it's a little bit hood-ish, but it's country hood, as you kind of drive into this, you know what I mean?
00:45:51.36
Mike
Great. I do.
00:45:54.48
Bill
So it's it's kind of countryhood when you're driving in. And then I almost missed the thing because it looks like it's just a driveway, the road that I'm on, literally it's a one lane road coming up. And then you go around this curve where you can't see. So you kind of ease up around. If some, some fucking crazy ass is coming up or down, I'm like, shit.
00:46:12.39
Bill
you know but um so I get in I get into the driveway and the guy told me a little bit of the gravel got got in backed in the first time and blah blah blah um got everything all loaded in get everything set in here and it's ah it's an older house don't get me wrong um everything's functional um no doubt he could probably it'd be nice if the kitchen was a little bit more updated if the bathroom was a little bit more updated um It reminds me of you know, if you if you just went someplace and you were kind of in just a Cabin ish, but not like the cabin that I was in but just older shit, but everything works, you know But then I in the the beds kind of like a little bit lower.
00:46:42.06
Mike
Yeah. yeah
00:46:48.16
Bill
I'm like, yeah, it's okay So it doesn't have a really tall like maybe he does that box spring just a mattress layup wasn't paying attention. So I get in bed that night and I'm fucking tired, you know? So um I lay down and I'm like, oh wow, like look at whatever.
00:46:59.91
Bill
So the mattress is like these, they're like, I don't know, the the mattress pads, like these really thick mattress pads. It's not even a fucking mattress.
00:47:07.54
Mike
Mmm.
00:47:08.17
Bill
The bed is like these double thick six inch and probably four inch like foam mattress pads. And I'm like, well that's kind of hillbilly-ish, you know?
00:47:14.58
Mike
Mmm.
00:47:16.48
Bill
but And then I sneak in, get under the covers, put my feet, and then my feet go right over the end of the bed.
00:47:16.95
Mike
who
00:47:22.66
Bill
And I'm like, it's just like a fucking child's bed, you know, but, but you know, part of it is just, I mean, ah again, it's, it's just this mattress pad type of thing, whatever.
00:47:25.50
Mike
he
00:47:31.34
Bill
But I'm like, this, the the bed is probably the only thing that I'm, I don't know, real pleased with it, but I can sleep and it's not a huge deal. um But man, today I woke up, I've gotten like this, I pulled something and like my left shoulder fucking hurts, you know?
00:47:44.26
Mike
Mmm.
00:47:44.49
Bill
So I don't know what the hell's going on there. I don't think it's the bed, but that's a whole side fucking note. Um, but other than that, not a big deal, but I laid down on Saturday night and I'm like, Oh, this is nice. This is so fucking quiet. And I'm just kicking around on my phone for a minute and some fucking dog starts barking.
00:47:59.06
Mike
Mmm.
00:47:59.89
Bill
And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? All it is is a neighbor has a dog they get an outside like fenced an area that they let the dog out the dog does this thing probably and let him back in it's not a problem. You know it's not like those dogs at the other place but other than that I mean it it is it's nice again it's country hood is probably the easiest way to put it, I don't feel unsafe it's not dangerous or anything like that.
00:48:22.37
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:48:22.65
Bill
um But I mean it's just it's fucking quiet it's fucking peaceful it's a house it's older man I don't give a fuck, you know, um but it's not like staying in that in again the studio part wasn't the bad part about the condo is just the fucking neighbors are noisy, you know.
00:48:27.91
Mike
Right.
00:48:34.86
Mike
right
00:48:35.15
Bill
um But what I was saying before the that that New River Gorge it's about an hour and 20 minutes to get down there. You know, so again, three, you know, three hours of driving, you know, but I'm like, it was all I did I went to like where the bridge was last weekend and it did that there was two different trails I went to the one was a visitor center so I could see it then this other one that was like mile and a half out mile and a half bags like three hour or three miles total.
00:48:45.25
Mike
right
00:48:59.73
Bill
The one that I'm going to go to tomorrow it's called the endless wall. and it's this again like a three mile loop but i think there's an area where you could do like an out and back but it's still going to be about three miles but this whole probably mile at least mile or 1.2 1.3 miles of this is all on the ridge of the gorge you know so you're in the woods and then like an outlook in the woods and an outlook and that's supposed to be um when i was looking all around it's supposed to be pretty spectacular
00:49:26.82
Mike
Nice.
00:49:26.89
Bill
And then just the the difference, the leaves were changing a little bit last weekend.
00:49:30.60
Mike
Mm
00:49:31.77
Bill
That's a little bit of color in the pictures.
00:49:33.62
Mike
hmm.
00:49:33.67
Bill
But even around here, I mean, I'm seeing the yellows, I'm seeing bits of red in some of the mountain areas around here. I think that's what I initially focused on, because literally you and I were sitting at Kathy's house in during Easter.
00:49:47.38
Bill
So what was that, April?
00:49:47.66
Mike
Yeah.
00:49:48.18
Bill
april
00:49:48.95
Mike
Yeah.
00:49:49.59
Bill
you know so something that you know i i kind of got my eyeballs on you know six months ago um i think it's literally because i was hoping i'm like god i hope the leaves finally change while i'm here i got this one full weekend you know um so i think it is i think it's going to be nice but this this whole place down there it was busy you know by the visitor center and stuff and even the the trail that i that i went on a lot of people you know but still um still really nice it just
00:49:53.06
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:50:13.27
Bill
It's fucking mind blowing again these goddamn mountains and shit like that this seed these fuck me moments that I'm getting why I'm looking at these again, just like like fuck me.
00:50:19.23
Mike
he
00:50:21.63
Bill
I'm like, it's crazy, you know, so I'll probably you don't drive back and forth down down and back on so Saturday and Sunday.
00:50:21.78
Mike
yeah Oh, yeah.
00:50:29.99
Bill
I mean, I'll get my grocery shopping done on the way back on Saturday, but um I've never have you ever been And again, maybe you've been by this area, Charleston, West Virginia.
00:50:39.94
Mike
Oh, yeah.
00:50:40.23
Bill
Okay, yeah, and it's a Highway 77 runs.
00:50:43.15
Mike
Right.
00:50:43.53
Bill
It's literally, yeah.
00:50:43.62
Mike
Yeah. Well, yeah, I've driven it plenty of times.
00:50:47.02
Bill
Yeah, it was just kind of funny when the the last part of the, you know, wherever I came in, I was coming down like, Oh my God, I'm like 77. I'm like, Oh shit, you know, it's just like, just like highway, you know, like 94 runs all over everywhere, you know, and it just like 65 same type of deal.
00:50:57.44
Mike
Right.
00:51:00.78
Bill
It's just, it seems like it's fucking everywhere. But so it's highway 64 and 77 that kind of merge into this area. um I didn't go downtown, it's the Capitol from where I went to get my pizza like nine minutes away from here.
00:51:09.95
Mike
Right.
00:51:15.20
Bill
The exit there is where the Capitol building is. It in it's and looks like, you know, kind of a White House type of building, you know, but um but it's gold.
00:51:20.23
Mike
Yeah.
00:51:22.64
Mike
Yeah. Right.
00:51:23.46
Bill
And I'm like, that looks fucking weird. Why say why is it gold? ah You know what I mean? It's just like, the the I don't know, it's just different. what I've never seen, they're usually white, you know, like, or or off white or whatever it is, but yeah, it's gold, but, so I don't know.
00:51:32.51
Mike
Sure. Mm hmm. Yeah. Gold dome.
00:51:37.71
Bill
Yeah. And I don't know how Charleston is as a, as a city, um, is that was driving out through this one area to to get out to the one highway to go down.
00:51:41.04
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:51:46.83
Bill
You know, yeah again, you see, again, you see areas that are probably a little bit more run down this one road than I was down. Um, but I don't know how Charleston is as a city. And I probably, for no other reason, I'm doing other shit.
00:51:57.05
Bill
I don't know that I'm going to go downtown to check it out, but, um, it's, I don't know, it's, it's fucking beautiful, you know?
00:51:59.64
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:52:02.91
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah. It's a cute little town. I've driven past it plenty of times.
00:52:05.31
Bill
Yeah.
00:52:08.58
Bill
And again, I know that every time I ask ask that, you're like, is there a freeway there?
00:52:12.32
Mike
Yeah, exactly.
00:52:14.30
Bill
I'm like, yeah, I'm sure i'm sure there is. but Have you really, do you think?
00:52:16.52
Mike
I've been on every interstate in this country. Yeah, bro. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've been, um, yeah, I've been in in all 48 states.
00:52:22.64
Bill
Huh.
00:52:28.59
Bill
Right.
00:52:28.88
Mike
Man.
00:52:30.66
Bill
And then I suppose, yeah, why wouldn't you have been in every interstate, right?
00:52:33.33
Mike
Right.
00:52:34.63
Bill
Oh, but then the the last thing, the last thing, so but Monday, I'm sitting here and again, internet's fine, the speed's fine, the whole bed, I got an area, I set up by my desk in the bedroom, because there's this little cove, this cutout cove in here. um Everything all set up and i' you know I'm working and I'm working away and You know, it's like, uh, it's like nine o'clock, um, central time.
00:52:55.72
Bill
Cause again, I'm working obviously on central time at 10 o'clock here. So working, working, working, and I'm leaving a voicemail message and it's like, the power goes out.
00:53:05.58
Mike
Hmm.
00:53:05.97
Bill
And I'm like, for a second there, I'm looking around because my, the, I was listening to the morning show, which of course is through my phone. It's not plugged in. It doesn't need power, but I mean, so that's still playing in the background.
00:53:13.56
Mike
Right.
00:53:16.59
Bill
But I mean, literally I sat here for about 10 seconds and I'm like, what the fuck happened? You know? So I walk out and I'm like, is it, I thought it blew a breaker, whatever. I'm like, I don't even know where to look for a fucking breaker box in here.
00:53:28.19
Mike
Right.
00:53:28.93
Bill
And then, I mean, the whole house is dead. And I'm like, and I look outside and it's of course it's daytime. So I can't tell if everyone's down.
00:53:33.77
Mike
Yeah, right.
00:53:35.21
Bill
So I'm like, oh, fuck this, this could not fucking happen. You know? So I'm looking around, looking around, search and searching, and then I start to see, I looked online, and you can't, whatever the power company is around here, you have to be able to log in to get direct you know like alerts.
00:53:48.03
Mike
ah Yeah.
00:53:51.62
Bill
But I mean, I'm seeing there's power outages or whatever just on these off-sites or whatever it is. um And so I called i call the 800 number, they're like, yeah, we're experiencing several power outages in the area, blah, blah, blah.
00:54:02.22
Bill
And I'm like, oh, fuck me. So I messaged the guy, I'm like, can you just can you do me a favor? Because I said, I can't get any information, obviously, without logging in. I said, is just can you just find out what's happening, if it's going to be anything that you can find out?
00:54:14.88
Bill
And he's like, because I'm sorry. He goes, I'm on it. Let me see what I can find out. So um at this point, I mean, it's like five minutes. It's 10 minutes. And then finally, I messaged my boss or texted him. I'm like, power just went out.
00:54:25.29
Mike
Yeah.
00:54:26.42
Bill
And I'm like, I'm not getting any any updates, just that I said, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. um And you know, the thing of it is, I've only had, I've had internet outages and the power went out of Kathy's house once for like five minutes, you know, but I was at least in Indiana, not off running around doing my thing.
00:54:39.77
Mike
Yeah.
00:54:43.11
Mike
Right.
00:54:43.33
Bill
Again, not that I'm not allowed to, I just don't, I'm not vocal about it.
00:54:44.61
Mike
Yeah.
00:54:47.35
Bill
I'm like, Oh, I'm going to West Virginia this time, this and that.
00:54:49.38
Mike
yeah
00:54:49.97
Bill
You know, because again, I manage people, I don't need to give anyone an excuse of going, Oh, well, if you wouldn't have been there.
00:54:56.76
Mike
Right.
00:54:57.24
Bill
Well, yeah, but maybe if I was there, something would happen. What does it matter?
00:54:59.69
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah. you Right. Power goes out everywhere all the time.
00:55:03.96
Bill
right, you know, but still I just I kept everything very vague and he never asked, you know, so I'm like, as as soon as I find out, I'll i'll let you know. So that the host gets back to me after about, you know, like a half hour, and he says, he goes, all that I'm getting is that, you know, basically, ah it should be back up within like two hours. And I'm like,
00:55:23.74
Bill
So um you know I'm like, did they give any indication? Because I'm like, OK, did somebody hit something that would ever just try to get my boss something, and know'll give him a little nugget.
00:55:31.33
Mike
Right.
00:55:32.42
Bill
He's like, no, just that it's out. So you know text them back. I'm like, here's the deal. And at this point, by the time all said and done, I've already been down for an hour. right
00:55:40.21
Mike
Right.
00:55:40.95
Bill
So, um you know, so now it's, you know, it's 10 o'clock, you know, work time. And I'm like, fuck. So, you know, I'm like, okay, by noon. And I'm like, I work for another half hour, I take my lunch, whatever. And it's still not back up, you know, after two hours. So at this point, I'm like, I can't remember how long you should keep stuff in the refrigerator. So one of the things you're like, you know, freezer lasts longer, take all your shit, anything you're worried about, put it in the freezer. It's not gonna freeze, but it'll, you know, even it out. So I do that at, you know, after it's been out for three hours.
00:56:08.93
Bill
and I'm just sitting here and I'm like, I'm not getting mad because I know better. I can't do anything about it.
00:56:12.86
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:56:13.51
Bill
Just fucking anxious.
00:56:15.70
Mike
Literally powerless.
00:56:15.87
Bill
it's
00:56:24.53
Bill
Yes.
00:56:25.16
Mike
Yeah.
00:56:28.47
Bill
yeah Oh, thank you. Thank you.
00:56:30.74
Mike
Sure.
00:56:31.63
Bill
I appreciate that. That's fucking awesome. I never never even crossed my mind. It's so great.
00:56:35.40
Mike
Course not.
00:56:36.53
Bill
yeah But, you know, anxious because it's, you know, I bet I had this week and I've got four days next week. It's, you know, basically the end of the month.
00:56:43.41
Mike
where Right.
00:56:43.58
Bill
And I'm like, this is just not a good thing on any level. But I i get PTO and that's how I would cover my time and all that different shit out there or anything. So, um it was like 20 after 12 so 20 after one here the power goes back on, and I had already it when it hit you know like the three hours I'm fucking I'm just getting lunch because whenever it comes up I'm i going to try to go back to work right away if I can.
00:57:04.87
Mike
Right.
00:57:05.74
Bill
So it comes back up, I make sure everything's set for about, you know, five, 10 minutes. And I messaged my boss. I'm like, am I required to take my lunch? Because it would have been at 1230.
00:57:15.37
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:57:15.94
Bill
I said, or can I just go back to work and this and that, log whatever PTO and be done. And he's like, no, you don't have to take a lunch, go back to work. So again, unscathed after all that, but then I'm sitting here, you know you know how it is when something like that happens.
00:57:27.83
Bill
And I'm like, is the power going to go out again?
00:57:28.20
Mike
Right.
00:57:29.48
Bill
Is the power going to go out again?
00:57:29.46
Mike
ah
00:57:31.11
Bill
But to I mean, no no indication, no idea. If I looked around, you know, even ah yesterday, there's no mention of why it went out. It just was fucking out for three and a half hours.
00:57:37.90
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:57:41.88
Bill
But like you said, it just, it happens, you know, just one of those things where it's, it's bad enough.
00:57:43.62
Mike
Yeah. yeah
00:57:46.24
Bill
It's not like I've never been anywhere where the power's gone out, but I, I've never been, um, you know, working remotely when the power's gone out, you know, and it's, I've been at work before, you know, but then everyone's out, you know, so, but, um, yeah, just, it was,
00:57:52.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:57:57.02
Mike
Sure. Yep. Yep. So now you've been through it and there you go. You survived.
00:58:03.07
Bill
but again Like you said, literally powerless, literally.
00:58:06.82
Mike
Yeah. Yep.
00:58:09.59
Bill
But yeah, he was fucked up, but okay. So um I got a couple of things on here that I want to get back to a drunk driver story, okay? But I really want to talk about the drunk driver thing.
00:58:17.38
Mike
and All right.
00:58:19.81
Bill
I think you'll think it's funny, but um okay. So this was from God grant me probably recently.
00:58:25.80
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:58:26.02
Bill
um Joy now comes from what we add to the world instead of what we can get from the world. So again, joy comes from what we can add to the world instead of what we can get from the world. So, and again, I know we kind of touch on that, but um do you think do you think the word joy applies to that or or how do you feel about that?
00:58:46.33
Mike
Um, yeah, yeah. Well, happiness, whatever, you know, we've talked about it a million times, man. It's a fucking byproduct. Um, Yeah, you know, that's that's how I get happiness in my life today. um You know, I i don't.
00:59:02.83
Mike
I don't really get happy anymore like doing things for myself. you know i i Hell, I don't do things for myself much anymore. I mean, relax and whatever. But um yeah, you know when I'm doing something for the the greater good, even you know mowing my lawn or something, I mean, you know I live in a neighborhood, man. If if my lawn's looking a little shabby, um i you know I don't look at it. It's not like I sit in the house and look out at the lawn and go, oh, isn't that lovely?
00:59:32.61
Mike
Um, I'm in the house. I'm probably staring at a screen. Um, right.
00:59:37.73
Bill
Right.
00:59:39.35
Mike
Um, you know, but yeah, just knowing that, you know, a job well done and my house looks good. So anyone else looking at it, you know, again, if I'm home, I'm not, I, I'm not a guy that sits out in the yard.
00:59:52.71
Mike
I'm not a guy that sits out on the porch. How many people do they spend lots of time outside their house? I don't. ah you know If I'm home, I'm fucking inside, man. um i don't I don't camp. That's why I pay my mortgage, so I don't have to lay in the dirt and be outside.
01:00:11.43
Mike
oh
01:00:11.81
Bill
Right. You don't climb on mountains or anything like that.
01:00:14.21
Mike
I don't.
01:00:18.57
Mike
I don't. I mean, you know, I live a mile away from a great lake. There's a beach right there. I don't spend any time there. Um, you know, I like looking at the lake when I drive past it when I'm working, but, um, well,
01:00:32.02
Bill
Right.
01:00:33.55
Mike
Well, so, um, yeah, just, you know, whatever yeah that's, I get that, that happiness and that joy and that, that satisfaction and peace of mind from, yes, again, making our little corner of the world a better place. Um, yeah.
01:00:49.15
Mike
You know, um, and, and taking doesn't bring me joy at all. I don't take much anymore. Um, I'm gracious when someone offers me something, but I don't take anymore. And, um, that brings me joy that I don't have to do that. I don't have to live that way today.
01:01:08.75
Bill
Yeah, and it is. I mean, we we talked about the fact that, hey, every everyone, you know, I don't want to say deserves, but it's nice for everyone when you when you get a freebie, whatever it is, you know?
01:01:18.23
Mike
eleven
01:01:19.06
Bill
but I will say ah i was went to a truck stop. I mean, one of the fucking truck stops, that what seems like the millions I've been to in the last you know six months, um you two, you walked into plenty of them, you know?
01:01:25.72
Mike
Yeah. Yep.
01:01:28.16
Bill
And um I get coffee every time every time I go into one, every time, with very few exceptions.
01:01:31.79
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:01:34.20
Bill
And you know, a lot of times I'll get something else to go along with it, but I don't remember where I was or what it was, but it was a truck stop and I got a cup of coffee. The guys like, is that, is that, you know, is that it just a refill?
01:01:45.04
Bill
And he's like, dad, just go ahead. And I'm like, really?
01:01:46.74
Mike
Right.
01:01:47.81
Bill
And he said, no, seriously. I'm like, I, he's like, you're all good. and I just said thank you and went out. you know um and It was nice you know just because there was no fucking reason in the world for him to do it, but he did something nice and I got ah i get a free cup of coffee that cost them about four cents you know that I would have paid $1.64.
01:01:59.64
Mike
What?
01:02:04.54
Mike
Hmm.
01:02:07.29
Mike
Right.
01:02:08.39
Bill
you know but um it's just nice you know and i don't even know so come into places like this i mean i i've talked about it i mean i bought i bought a coffee pot when i was in the Ozarks back in april you know and i just left it there and then i got i actually got to use it when i was back there a couple of weeks ago you know because she kept it but um i was gonna take it with me i'm like ah fuck it i'll just leave it there you know
01:02:10.88
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:02:19.70
Mike
Right. Uh huh.
01:02:29.52
Mike
Yeah.
01:02:30.52
Bill
And um I bought a, I ended up buying a strainer, this whole strainer thing. I bought one in one place I was at um for like $5, you know? Oh, actually, I'm sorry, it was in the Ozarks, because that was still there when I went back. I bought it at Walmart. So I go to Walmart this time, so there's no fucking strainer. I'm like, I got to wash goddamn dishes. I want, where am I going to put them, you know?
01:02:51.21
Bill
They had this, and all it was, it was a strainer, but they put three plastic bowls, which I don't need, three plastic cups, which I don't need, plastic silverware, which I don't need, but then this tray on the bottom that it clamped into, obviously they run the water down.
01:02:57.33
Mike
right Okay.
01:03:01.95
Mike
Right.
01:03:06.17
Mike
Yeah.
01:03:06.28
Bill
So that's $12. And I'm like, that's all they had.
01:03:08.77
Mike
Yeah.
01:03:09.42
Bill
you know that was ah I bought that in Arkansas and I'm like, I brought it because I didn't know if they would have one here. Glad I did. um but more than likely I'm gonna leave that here.
01:03:16.89
Mike
Mm
01:03:18.09
Bill
I don't wanna cart along a fucking stranger with me, but I bought three strangers in the last six months, you know?
01:03:20.13
Mike
hmm.
01:03:25.24
Bill
um But I mean, the same thing. i could I suppose I could do one of two things. I could i could either buy one and just be fine with it, um or I could, well, one of three things. I could buy one and bitch about it, or I could bitch about it and you know not do it.
01:03:37.68
Bill
um But I don't know, it says it doesn't bother me. it It helps me, but I think I'd leave this shit here because, So somebody else, I know the guy's nice. He's a nice guy, you know, and I'm like, I understand what people I'm going to, I'm going to mention to him about the bed, you know, because I think that there's going to be somebody is going to complain about it.
01:03:46.99
Mike
Yeah, right.
01:03:52.52
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:03:57.11
Bill
I almost did because I wanted to to text them next morning.
01:03:57.19
Mike
Right.
01:03:59.63
Bill
i Like, is this a fucking kid's bed? I'm six one and I can't even fit in it.
01:04:02.36
Mike
he
01:04:03.82
Bill
And I'm like, it's just, you know, fucking foam. Um, but again, I slept fine. So whatever. But um yeah, I just I don't um man, we always took before though, didn't we?
01:04:10.24
Mike
Absolutely. absolutely Yeah, right. and And, you know, I think we learned somewhere, I know I did, that, you know, leave things better than you found them.
01:04:23.41
Mike
It feels good.
01:04:23.46
Bill
Right.
01:04:24.09
Mike
it It is. It's the right thing to do. And that's, you know, even, ah I mean, it's small and it's, yes, it's not a huge thing, but who cares, man? It's, yeah, it makes you feel better. Hey, I left it better than I found it.
01:04:36.40
Mike
you know, the next person that walks in here and goes, hey, this place is pretty nice. You walked in there and went, hey, this place is pretty nice. Guess what? It's even a little bit nicer when you leave. That's cool. It feels good.
01:04:46.83
Bill
Right? Right?
01:04:48.27
Mike
Nothing wrong with that. Fuck it. Yeah.
01:04:50.53
Bill
Oh, yeah.
01:04:50.75
Mike
That's, that's the joy.
01:04:52.32
Bill
Right? Yeah. And there was a no can opener, but I carry one with me because there's been, now this is a fourth or fifth place I've been at that didn't have a can opener.
01:04:57.66
Mike
yeah
01:04:59.33
Bill
So I carry one with me.
01:05:00.71
Mike
Right.
01:05:00.75
Bill
um There were no sharp knives, yeah which was fucking weird.
01:05:05.38
Mike
right
01:05:05.42
Bill
um So I bought, I bought, you know, like the, a big knife and two small ones, a dollar a piece at Walmart. um So I, you know, I'll probably leave them. I don't think I'm going to carry knives with me, but part of me is like, part of me is like, well, what if I go someplace that have knives?
01:05:18.40
Bill
But this is the first place I've went at that didn't have sharp knives. But again, these initial things in my head, nobody buys good toilet paper either, but I always carry toilet paper with me.
01:05:20.88
Mike
right
01:05:25.44
Mike
Right.
01:05:27.28
Bill
And I bought, I bought a pack of six rolls of toilet paper. I'll probably take two or three with me and I'll leave the rest.
01:05:30.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:05:32.90
Bill
You know, so there's not, so the next person doesn't have to at least for part of the time deal with fucking one, literally one ply toilet paper.
01:05:37.81
Mike
What play? he
01:05:39.65
Bill
and And I get it, the one guy, did I tell you when I was in Fond du Lac in that place, that's the most I paid for a chunk of time, you know, based on the week that I was there, it's by by cubic square foot of time.
01:05:47.46
Mike
Right.
01:05:51.91
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:05:52.92
Bill
um The most I paid, and it was nice, I liked it. You know, again, older home, but the guy, nice job.
01:05:57.42
Mike
Right.
01:05:57.52
Bill
um But shitty fucking towels, worse than motel towels.
01:06:01.01
Mike
Yeah.
01:06:01.50
Bill
um and And this one ply toilet paper.
01:06:03.87
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:06:05.17
Bill
And again, I brought toilet paper with me and I ended up buying some and whatever but um but I asked the guy said, you know, ah just a suggestion, you know, because I said you have you have no hand soap, um you know, because I would just wash my hands with dish soap.
01:06:18.09
Mike
Right.
01:06:18.42
Bill
um Like you have no hand soap, your towels are fucked up, you know, I didn't say that but I'm like and and for what I'm paying one ply really.
01:06:22.63
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:06:26.15
Bill
And nicely, you know, I said this to him in a side message and he told me, he's like, he goes, here's the thing.
01:06:27.93
Mike
Yeah, right.
01:06:31.47
Bill
He goes, we manage 40 properties.
01:06:32.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:06:33.63
Bill
And he goes, you'd be shocked. Maybe you wouldn't, but um we've had nicer towels. People take them.
01:06:38.51
Mike
Yup.
01:06:39.33
Bill
We have a nicer toilet paper. People take them.
01:06:41.43
Mike
That was my thought too.
01:06:41.76
Bill
And he said, yeah he says, you know what? He goes, for whatever reason, he goes, it's not considered to be damaged from the Airbnb standpoint. So he goes, we can't charge when people steal shit like that.
01:06:51.64
Mike
Right.
01:06:52.38
Bill
And I'm like, really? I'm like, okay, I get it. I said, but I, I said, I travel with it.
01:06:55.73
Mike
Yeah.
01:06:57.38
Bill
Same thing. I travel with, uh, I travel with washcloths. I bring my own washcloths with me and I have my own bath towel in one of my bags that I, that I bought.
01:07:01.37
Mike
Right.
01:07:05.93
Bill
Um, again, just in case if the towel's unbearable, I've got my own.
01:07:09.04
Mike
Yeah.
01:07:09.74
Bill
You know, but things I've learned but but again, it doesn't um part of me I again you you get this mindset.
01:07:12.04
Mike
Mhm.
01:07:16.56
Bill
You're like, okay, I paid for this I feel I suppose you guess i I'm a human being and I want to feel entitled You know, but then I'm like yeah it is what it is, you know Right,
01:07:22.08
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I personally, I find it to be, uh, nice to be self-sufficient. I have what I need because it's my stuff and yeah.
01:07:33.49
Mike
Right. You know, carry that can opener. Yeah. You know, don't have to worry about it.
01:07:36.96
Bill
yeah
01:07:38.06
Mike
I have a can opener. I can open my cans.
01:07:39.91
Bill
Yeah, well, yeah and you you saw my my four, or whatever it is, four Aldi bags that were sitting in your kitchen.
01:07:46.46
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:07:47.13
Bill
I've got, I mean, I didn't use any of your, I used the dish, I used your plates and i used I used the glass, but Tupperware dishes and all that stuff, I carry all that shit with me because I know that I need, you know, one thing I'll warm up, you know, maybe something in there, but the other ones I put food in there, put in the freezer.
01:07:50.69
Mike
Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Right.
01:08:02.91
Bill
So I carry all that shit with me, all the shit that I need, I carry with me, you know?
01:08:04.73
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:07.42
Bill
And I guess you're you're right, it is nice being self-sufficient.
01:08:10.35
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:08:11.11
Bill
It really is. Oh, and the washer and dryer is not on the balcony here, so.
01:08:14.34
Mike
Ah, well, that's good.
01:08:16.86
Bill
It's a, but it's a house that actually has a laundry room.
01:08:18.43
Mike
Yeah.
01:08:18.86
Bill
So it's kind of nice, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, it does.
01:08:19.08
Mike
Yeah.
01:08:21.79
Bill
I mean, oh, there's no better way to put it. I mean, it, it does. It feels good. Um, I don't want to take from people. I really don't want to take shit anymore.
01:08:28.94
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:08:30.35
Bill
Um, I like gifts. It's nice. You know, every once in a while somebody out need to be showered with shit, but, um, like you said, it's nice to get a gift every once in a while, but man, it's, it's so nice to, to be a giver rather than a taker in it.
01:08:33.82
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:08:40.87
Mike
Right. And, and, and being able to support yourself, which again, you know, which to a normal person goes, well, yeah, of course you take care of yourself.
01:08:44.60
Bill
Right.
01:08:49.12
Mike
Well, we didn't for a very long time. So, you know, it's, it's, it's nice. Yes. I like being able to go. Yes. Hey, I need something. Oh look, there it is. I have it.
01:09:01.50
Bill
Well, when i was but I was in the Ozarks the the first time, and I think it was then when I started right before that, so well, I think when I first started traveling, I was carrying washcloths with me right away, I believe, just from, again, doing these test runs that I did and realizing that you end up with, again, these basically paper towel washcloths.
01:09:11.79
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.
01:09:19.02
Bill
um But they the place in the Ozarks, when they replaced the the gas grill with the electric grill, they had to, and it was her mom and dad that came, the host mom and dad that came to do it. She was like, oh, she goes, I apologize.
01:09:29.80
Bill
She goes, I don't think that you know Brooke had washcloth here. Here's a whole brand new thing of them. Like like that, there wasn't any, but I said, I i said i bring my own. She's like, you bring your own? I'm like, yeah.
01:09:40.16
Bill
I said, I've been to enough places that don't have them or don't have the ones I want. So I said, I travel with that stuff.
01:09:43.44
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:09:45.16
Bill
She's like, That's such a great idea.
01:09:47.82
Mike
Yep. this this is this
01:09:48.63
Bill
I'm like, I'm like, well, all it takes is a couple of trips when you don't have something you need.
01:09:51.28
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:09:54.28
Bill
And it's a fucking washcloth.
01:09:54.33
Mike
Yeah.
01:09:55.49
Bill
It doesn't matter, you know, but um easy enough to put in my suitcase.
01:09:56.59
Mike
Right.
01:09:59.17
Bill
So all right. I don't know why this came across, God, I say that all the time, but anyhow, I'll just read it. Do you think that you would ever benefit for doing a full formal redo of the 12 steps, like working them with a sponsor again from start to finish, not just working with somebody, like you sitting down, and I know we talk about, you know we obviously have incorporated a lot, but do you think you'd ever benefit of sitting down like, okay, I'm gonna start to finish, I'm gonna do the steps again?
01:10:17.69
Mike
Uh huh.
01:10:27.83
Bill
Do you think that would ever be a benefit?
01:10:30.35
Mike
I mean, um it couldn't hurt. Um, right.
01:10:37.05
Bill
ah That's that's the best I can make the best fucking answer I want could hurt.
01:10:42.07
Mike
Hey, couldn't hurt. Am I going to do it? Probably not. Um, yeah, I mean, you alluded to it, right? I mean, incorporate, you know, set it on here a million times. I do the first three steps before I get out of bed in the morning. I mean, you know, I work the steps on a daily basis. Um,
01:11:00.34
Mike
But I know what you're saying. Yes, actually doing like a formal, you know, going, taking that first step in doing and doing it and thinking, yeah again, I do that every day. First three are, you know, every day.
01:11:10.41
Bill
Right.
01:11:13.14
Mike
um yeah I try to incorporate six and seven every day. I don't always. um But yeah, in 10, clearly in 11 and 12, try to do every day. um you know Nine is pretty much always there.
01:11:32.40
Mike
um yeah but We've talked about it, right? Four, five, and eight, you know you do once when you do them. And would it help to do them again? I don't know.
01:11:40.96
Bill
right
01:11:41.04
Mike
I mean, doing a day I don't have to do a four step because I do a 10 step. Um, I did an eighth step and I, you know, over the past 14 years, I can't think of anyone that I need to put on that list again. Cause I, I'm doing the rest of them. I'm working this program. So I don't act in a way that I have to put a name on my eighth step again. Um,
01:12:06.85
Mike
which is nice. You know, right.
01:12:08.93
Bill
Right.
01:12:11.64
Mike
It is. Um, yeah. So I mean, I, like I said, it couldn't hurt, but I, I don't know how much it would help. I really don't because I'm working a program every fucking day.
01:12:20.58
Bill
Right.
01:12:24.73
Mike
So, um, hmm. You know, I, I, I think that's, I think working a 12 step and helping someone else through the steps is far more beneficial than then taking them and doing them again yourself.
01:12:40.96
Mike
if If you're working a program and you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, um that's far more beneficial, working with someone else, doing a 12th and working the steps through them, having them work the steps and showing them how to do it.
01:12:41.08
Bill
Right.
01:12:55.10
Mike
I think it's way more beneficial than doing that selfish, I'm gonna do them again crap.
01:13:00.74
Bill
Right.
01:13:00.77
Mike
You know, yeah, so I don't know. Those are my thoughts.
01:13:05.38
Bill
Well, you know, and I think, I'm pretty sure, cause i i hadn't I hadn't really been listening to a lot of um sober podcasts lately. Cause I was listening to audio books and a lot of other podcast episodes and stuff like that.
01:13:14.60
Mike
All right.
01:13:17.58
Bill
So I think when when my list was starting to dry up a couple of weeks ago, I'm like, I gotta start listening to a more sober podcasts because I do, I get these ideas.
01:13:22.58
Mike
All right.
01:13:25.92
Bill
And I think that's where I got the idea from, from one of them.
01:13:26.51
Mike
Yeah.
01:13:28.85
Bill
um You know, somebody said, oh, you know, um I should go through, you know, formally go through the steps again. And then I think that the word formally,
01:13:33.27
Mike
Hmm.
01:13:35.32
Bill
is where it kind of got me thinking about it.
01:13:35.45
Mike
Right.
01:13:36.92
Bill
And you know again, not trying to put too much thought into it as I as i wrote it down.
01:13:36.95
Mike
Right.
01:13:43.77
Bill
um I didn't think about, again, I wouldn't hurt. It might not hurt.
01:13:48.52
Mike
Right.
01:13:50.25
Bill
I don't know that I thought about that, but I think that in the back of my head, I'm like, I don't i don't know what the point would be. you know But I didn't mean that in a bad way.
01:13:56.53
Mike
Right. No.
01:13:58.94
Bill
Because because of the if I had to, if I came out of, a full set of formally, work or a full time of formally working the 12 steps again, be like, oh my God, I'm a whole new man, then that means that I that i was not doing something right, you know?
01:14:08.82
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.
01:14:16.25
Bill
And like you said, the fourth step, the fifth step, um the A step in a formal sense, you know?
01:14:21.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:14:23.28
Bill
Because we already said, I mean, like you just said, I don't know of anyone that goes on that list, but tomorrow you might be out in the world and run into somebody like, oh fuck, you're on the eighth and here's my ninth, you know, i have to have a nice day.
01:14:28.95
Mike
Yeah.
01:14:32.48
Mike
Right.
01:14:33.53
Bill
You know, not saying that to them, but you know.
01:14:34.22
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right.
01:14:36.41
Bill
um You know, so somebody immediately gets added, you know, you you end up having a conversation and that there's your eighth and ninth with that person, you know? um but Yeah, I just I just don't know. And you know when people say that you know every five years they they do it a whole new set of steps and might by sponsor that one time, you know that in in Wisconsin that in he he said after the fact that he was just joking about it, but I don't think he was.
01:15:00.27
Bill
you know he wanted to He wanted to go, he's like, oh, you know if you would you do another four step with me if i if I wanted you to?
01:15:04.93
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:15:06.41
Bill
And and know I told him, i'm like oh I said, here's my opinion. I gave him my opinion. I'm like, well, I said, if um if I had to or if I felt obligated to do what I would, but I said, but i said i'm not I'm not sitting down and doing the fifth step with you.
01:15:09.73
Mike
Right.
01:15:15.69
Mike
Right.
01:15:19.09
Bill
I said, I'll i'll do it with a priest again. um Because I said, that's how I did it the first time. And that's what would make me comfortable.
01:15:24.67
Mike
Right.
01:15:24.99
Bill
Then he's like, ah, because i you know you don't have to. I was just kind of seeing what your where your mindset was.
01:15:28.75
Mike
o right
01:15:28.91
Bill
and you know and i wasn't trying to be a dick about it but um i was kind of on the mindset where you know i did this and i think i did it as i know i know i did it as thoroughly as i could at the time.
01:15:38.76
Mike
Sure. Mm hmm.
01:15:40.40
Bill
And then same deal, you know, as we go through all this stuff, that 10 step every day, making sure we're, you know, keeping all of our shit straight and in whatever the case is.
01:15:47.05
Mike
Right.
01:15:48.15
Bill
But um yeah, you know, the and the funny part is, is that I thought about this for years, because I did a lot of training, um you know, not really prior to, but certainly since I've gotten sober, a little bit prior ah before my sobriety.
01:15:59.49
Mike
Hmm. Hmm.
01:16:03.01
Bill
But, um you know, as far as like work training, And one of the things I've always been of the opinion I would tell people this these, these people that I would try to walk through it and I guess mentor if you want to call it into roles where they're, you know, like do side by sides of people become supervisors or whatever the case is.
01:16:19.55
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:16:20.18
Bill
And I said if you want to be better at your job I said show somebody else how to do it, you know.
01:16:24.01
Mike
Right.
01:16:24.76
Bill
because I said, that's that's how you become better. I said, if you if you get to the point where you can where you can show somebody what you do and you could do that well, um then that's how you grow.
01:16:26.89
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:16:31.48
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:16:35.61
Bill
And I said, you're gonna become better at what you do just by being able, to you've gotta be able to show somebody else how to do it.
01:16:41.21
Mike
Right. Exactly. Yeah. If you can teach somebody how to do what you do, you get better at it.
01:16:45.18
Bill
right
01:16:45.93
Mike
Absolutely.
01:16:46.99
Bill
yeah And that's i mean that's a parallel to to what we do or what we're supposed to do when but we sit down with somebody new.
01:16:46.99
Mike
yeah
01:16:51.07
Mike
Right.
01:16:52.66
Bill
right
01:16:52.85
Mike
Yep, absolutely.
01:16:55.52
Bill
Yeah. So, okay. So formally, no.
01:16:57.87
Mike
Hmm.
01:16:57.92
Bill
And I, it's, again, I wasn't sure how that conversation was going to go as far as I didn't, I didn't really know what my opinion was, but I, but I didn't want to, I don't know. I didn't want to shut it down, but then again, I, you put it well, I think it just couldn't hurt, you know, but maybe maybe it wouldn't hurt.
01:17:10.79
Mike
and
01:17:12.44
Bill
But then again, it may I don't know how much it would help, you know?
01:17:15.37
Mike
Right. Exactly. Cause you know, I'm already working the steps every fucking day.
01:17:19.64
Bill
Right.
01:17:20.61
Mike
So yeah.
01:17:22.77
Bill
every goddamn day for the rest of my goddamn life.
01:17:24.10
Mike
Right. That's right. One day at a goddamn time.
01:17:29.74
Bill
Right. Okay, so um want to hear about a drunk driver?
01:17:34.31
Mike
Sure.
01:17:35.29
Bill
Okay, so um let's see here in this came up on a news story. Let me pop into this because I saved it. So first of all, this was The drunk driver, we already established that part.
01:17:49.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:17:50.04
Bill
This was him driving the wrong way on the freeway.
01:17:52.23
Mike
Hmm.
01:17:54.55
Bill
um And this was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
01:17:57.05
Mike
Ah, shocker.
01:17:59.56
Bill
I know, I know, but I'll i'll get to the, I'm not gonna jump the route on this one yet, but um a suspected drunk driver drove on an interstate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, toured, and I'll tell you this in a minute, the incident happened about 8.20 p.m.
01:18:13.57
Bill
Monday, this was just this past Monday, I-94 near the market, interchange, change, you and I drove through there, it's just outside of downtown.
01:18:20.85
Mike
Right.
01:18:21.10
Bill
um According to the Sheriff's Department, 55-year-old man, who's right in our wheelhouse,
01:18:25.13
Mike
Hmm. Yeah.
01:18:27.32
Bill
um was observed driving the SUV westbound in the eastbound lanes when he was approaching this particular thing, which I'll tell you about in a minute, and came close to striking a vehicle, okay?
01:18:35.60
Mike
ah
01:18:39.99
Bill
Um, fuck did they, oh, here we go. I'm like, God, did they cut off my article? Um, as the vehicle came closer, I know when I'm, cause I read this before I made sure that everything that I could get the whole article when I saved this, so it didn't cut me off.
01:18:45.22
Mike
I hate when that happens.
01:18:53.23
Bill
It's feel kicking closer. Deputy stopped the man and determined he was impaired before taking him into custody. Uh, recommended charges, uh, operating while intoxicated and recklessly endangering safety. um He had not been formally charged.
01:19:05.45
Bill
I think the he also had a beer in the car. So I'm like, this is just, this is my DUI, you know?
01:19:07.80
Mike
Uh huh. Yeah.
01:19:10.46
Bill
i mean um Okay, so here's the kicker though. There was a um ah kind of an important person in town on Monday.
01:19:19.94
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:19:20.81
Bill
It was the VP.
01:19:22.74
Mike
Ah.
01:19:24.42
Bill
The fucking freeway was closed because because the motorcade was coming downtown.
01:19:26.66
Mike
Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
01:19:30.15
Bill
Yeah, he got on he almost ran into the fucking motorcade with nice president's motorcade And and I'm like, I'm not believe me.
01:19:37.14
Mike
Nice.
01:19:40.50
Bill
I'm not laughing at this I'm just like this dude, but I'm like he had no intention because I never thought about this either But the man also said he did not have any intention of harming Harris or anybody related to her campaign ah remained in jail blah blah blah blah blah
01:19:52.54
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:19:54.88
Bill
ah but failed's field so spriety yeah beercated his car But it never even crossed my mind that this was like an attempt on her life.
01:20:01.57
Mike
Right.
01:20:01.66
Bill
um But then when they wrote that, I'm like, i'm like oh shit. I'm like, but the dude didn't even, he had no idea that he was even on the on the freeway going or going the wrong way, let alone on the freeway.
01:20:07.66
Mike
Right. Yeah.
01:20:12.50
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:20:12.59
Bill
um but so here's the fucking thing go it's bad enough and i only reason i'm laughing is because i mean i i don't i remember bits and pieces of my duy but i was fucking loaded i could have easily got on a highway driver the wrong way um but could you imagine i mean
01:20:24.89
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:20:28.43
Bill
Seriously, it's it's bad enough getting a DUI. It would be, God forbid, you know anyone you know that's hit anyone like that.
01:20:33.10
Mike
Right. Sure.
01:20:35.27
Bill
um But could you imagine coming to and realizing that you he just fucking took out the vice president of the United States?
01:20:40.67
Mike
Hmm. Well, I mean, I've, I've been around, you know, when they've closed off the freeway and stuff.
01:20:42.28
Bill
and There's usually cops.
01:20:46.05
Mike
I mean, I've seen those and, um, yeah. Well, yeah, but what I'm saying is he got on the wrong off-ramp, so it was it was an on-ramp that he, yeah, so there was probably it probably wasn't blocked off.
01:20:56.53
Bill
Oh.
01:21:00.17
Mike
Right, the what going the right way, all that shit was blocked off. And probably, I you know just i may have driven drunk once or twice in my life. um you know He's probably cruising along and went, oh, that's closed over there, but that's open over there.
01:21:14.37
Mike
I'll just get on over there where it's open.
01:21:17.10
Bill
Right.
01:21:17.27
Mike
and And that's exactly what fucking happened. I'll guarantee it. They didn't have, they didn't have the off-ramp closed because they had all the on-ramps closed.
01:21:20.87
Bill
Huh.
01:21:25.58
Mike
And so he got on the off-ramp and got on the freeway.
01:21:28.23
Bill
Right.
01:21:29.10
Mike
Yeah. Makes total sense.
01:21:31.39
Bill
Yeah, you know what I that never again that never even occurred to me. See, there you go. um Write these two things down from tonight. Powerless and duh, why wouldn't you get on there? You know, why?
01:21:40.50
Mike
Right. Exactly. Well, that one's open that all that shit's closed off over there. I'll get on over there where it's open.
01:21:47.17
Bill
Yeah, yeah, why would why wouldn't I get out over there?
01:21:47.81
Mike
Yeah. You don't know where, ah how does he know where I'm going?
01:21:49.81
Bill
It's open.
01:21:52.72
Bill
You're going the wrong way. You're gonna hit the vice president. How does he know where the vice president is?
01:22:00.10
Mike
Right.
01:22:01.12
Bill
He's drunk.
01:22:02.03
Mike
Yeah.
01:22:03.75
Bill
But yeah, I mean, but part of the article was he almost hit one of the one of the vehicles in the motorcade. It doesn't say there was her vi her vehicle, but um right.
01:22:07.98
Mike
Right. Probably not right. Yeah. Cause they're, they're pretty much in the middle. So if he was, yeah, the first vehicle he would have had any contact with it was one of the outer ones, which is secret service.
01:22:17.80
Bill
right right yeah just i mean literally when they were they're doing something like hey i gotta i gotta to get this fucking article i'm like this this is uh this is just crazy it's it's timely because of political shit it's drunk shit it's fucking duis it's driving the wrong way it's doing shit that again you know i'm laughing it's it's it's a scary thing
01:22:18.96
Mike
Right.
01:22:29.95
Mike
Right.
01:22:37.87
Mike
Hmm.
01:22:38.32
Bill
It is, so here's here's the thing with with Milwaukee. You were in Milwaukee, you know, downtown, you and I kicked around a couple of times.
01:22:42.59
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh.
01:22:44.76
Bill
And I think we even, I think I specifically took you by the one interchange that has like five different ways you can go at one stoplight, which is right down where we were to see the Foo Fighters where we walked.
01:22:51.02
Mike
Right.
01:22:55.17
Mike
Right.
01:22:55.25
Bill
If we would have went to the right, that's where that intersection is.
01:22:57.96
Mike
Yeah.
01:22:58.34
Bill
um And it is, it's a fucking mess if you don't know where you're going. um But, it it's happened a number of times.
01:23:04.03
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:23:06.59
Bill
And i I mean, more than what I would have ever thought, I can't even remember the number of stories I've i've read of people driving on, you know, getting on the highway, going the wrong way.
01:23:16.90
Bill
And it's nine times out of 10, it's coming out of downtown because it is, they're kind of fucked up ramps and shit in there.
01:23:20.22
Mike
Right.
01:23:23.00
Bill
um You know, it's not about blaming the city for for doing it, but I mean, it's just, it's crazy the number of things
01:23:26.02
Mike
Right. Pretty sure they have some signs up. So, you know, if you're paying attention, yeah, it's a little complicated.
01:23:29.45
Bill
ah Right. Yeah, it's just it's it's not like it's it's like, it's not badly constructed. It just it is what it is there. It's always
01:23:38.22
Mike
Yeah. You actually have to think a little bit while you're maneuvering your vehicle. Hmm.
01:23:43.73
Bill
hey And the the only time that I've heard it's been all drunk people I think the one time it was this lady that was like 85 degrees something 85 degrees 80 She might have been yeah she might have been 85 degrees.
01:23:50.80
Mike
Sure. It's a little, a little cold. All right.
01:23:55.90
Bill
I don't know but yeah 85 years or 90 years old She's fucking oldest dirt and should have been driving and
01:23:56.76
Mike
just couldnt Yeah. Impaired one way or another. Right.
01:24:02.17
Bill
Yeah, got on the highway the wrong way. But um but yeah, it just, a I mean, the the more and more I think about it, I'm like, it's it's happened a lot, but I mean, Jesus Christ, I just, again, never never crossed my mind that, well, two things, like you said, well, why wouldn't you have gotten on there?
01:24:16.50
Mike
Right. That's where it was open.
01:24:17.81
Bill
But yeah, that's where it was open. But um ah shit, yeah it just didn't cross my mind that somebody would try to be out to, that's how I'm gonna try to hurt or affect the you know the president or vice president or something like that.
01:24:27.32
Mike
Hmm.
01:24:29.87
Bill
So there was one time, and I think this was back in the, God, this might've been back in the Clinton years. I don't even remember now. But I was going um south on 94, coming out of the city, like going down towards receive and stuff going out that way.
01:24:42.14
Bill
um I don't remember, I was going to an appointment or whatever it was. So driving down the highway and then, this whole string of cops come up. And I mean, everyone's in these lanes and they're as they're coming down as three lanes of traffic, and there was probably six or seven cop cars, and they come up and they slowly come in and they they literally um started moving over and pushed everyone to the side of the road.
01:25:02.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:25:04.47
Bill
It was thinking it back, it was pretty fucking impressive, because whatever the traffic was, so they shut off the freeway at one point and then moved the rest of us over.
01:25:06.92
Mike
Right.
01:25:10.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:25:11.59
Bill
And then the presidential motorcade came through behind us, and then because they were going to the airport.
01:25:13.85
Mike
Right. Yep.
01:25:16.52
Bill
you know But i was I was fucking blown away.
01:25:16.77
Mike
Yeah.
01:25:19.74
Bill
I'm like, that was awesome.
01:25:23.02
Mike
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
01:25:24.83
Bill
because literally this just this this this maneuver and they just came in and they they just live they got like they you know pointing their guns at us and said and pull over but they did they just you know kind of like it uh like moved us all over that way it was pretty fucking cool um but yeah i mean usually it just ah i mean at some point they gotta yeah they shut it down they suppose they gotta to do that move cars off of there just it's crazy when it happens but um
01:25:27.89
Mike
Yeah.
01:25:31.92
Mike
No. Nope.
01:25:46.56
Mike
Yeah.
01:25:47.68
Bill
Yeah, but, uh, I don't know that, that guy, I wouldn't have wanted to under any circumstance.
01:25:52.67
Mike
Hmm.
01:25:52.77
Bill
I've, I've woken up in, you know, not in jail, but I've got, I got sprung that night that, uh, that I got my DUI, but still I've been, I've been taken to jail for it.
01:25:55.47
Mike
yeah
01:26:00.72
Bill
I wouldn't want to have been notified that I just took out the like vice president. Yeah. Not a good day.
01:26:07.93
Mike
No, no, no, how's that beer?
01:26:08.18
Bill
Not a good day at all.
01:26:12.13
Bill
yeah Right. Oh, you know what? I got one more quick question. Let's let's end this on a musical a musical note.
01:26:16.04
Mike
right
01:26:18.48
Mike
i o
01:26:18.53
Bill
ah I didn't mean it that way, really. But um this is just something I've never known.
01:26:21.41
Mike
see
01:26:24.75
Bill
I thought you musical guy might know. So all these people over the years, a lot of people have said it. I've heard it on radio shows and podcasts and interviews. People talk about the Beatles music as basically being like the roadmap of all other music, kind of like the structure and all those sort of things.
01:26:42.12
Mike
a
01:26:42.89
Bill
first of all, have you he say that, what do they mea just saying, I mean, I've j once the Beatles did it t of people model model their so genre they're in on how t that music. Does that ma
01:26:59.37
Mike
Um, I mean, you know, they, they certainly refined. Um, you know, I mean, they, they incorporated a lot of stuff that, uh,
01:27:10.33
Mike
people before them didn't incorporate together, you know, I mean, jazz and classical and and, you know, they took kind of everything and put it together in rock and roll-ish pop music, whatever. So yeah, I mean, they were the first ones to kind of take everything and put it together, you know, Indian music and in world music, whatever African beats and stuff. And yeah, they were the first.
01:27:34.68
Mike
popular band that that took kind of everything and and put it together and open that up to you know before the Beatles there was you know rhythm and blues and jazz and and you know classical and and big band stuff and whatever you know but it was all pretty structured of what it was and they took all of it and put it together and kind of opened it up so people could put take everything and whatever and put it together so yeah that makes sense
01:28:04.04
Bill
right Yeah, just I just heard i heard so many people over the years say that and I didn't really know what it means cause i you know because I listened to um any Beatles song. it doesn't really seem They don't seem complicated, but they're when you if you really listen to them, they are they're structured.
01:28:16.02
Mike
Hmm. Yeah.
01:28:20.16
Bill
What is it? A couple of the songs open up right away with the you know with the title of the song and some of them start off with lyrical, some of them start off musical.
01:28:25.20
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:28:28.39
Bill
but you know they it's just been explained that I guess they all have this this really cut dry clean structure and it just what kind of made it popular and it just I never thought about it before and I didn't even know what made me write it down but um I've never really understood what they mean by that but so many people refer to them as just that yeah the Beatles get kind of this that blah blah blah so okay
01:28:32.02
Mike
Hmm.
01:28:48.08
Mike
Huh? Yeah. I mean, that's my take on it, that they took like lots of stuff that people didn't necessarily put together or add or, you know, different things and put them into pop music.
01:28:59.29
Bill
Right.
01:28:59.48
Mike
Yeah.
01:29:00.52
Bill
Kind of like all things, all things to all people.
01:29:02.77
Mike
Right. Yeah. You know, like I've always said, there's two kinds of music, getting bad and they use them both.
01:29:10.52
Bill
But you, I mean, you've always been, you've been a fan of the Beatles, right?
01:29:12.85
Mike
Oh yeah. You know, I mean, yeah, yeah, definitely.
01:29:13.83
Bill
Yeah.
01:29:15.08
Mike
I mean, my, the first album I had when I was three years old was Abby road.
01:29:19.37
Bill
Oh, really? Okay.
01:29:20.11
Mike
Yep.
01:29:21.45
Bill
I don't think I knew that.
01:29:22.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:29:24.00
Bill
Nice. Okay.
01:29:24.90
Mike
Yeah. Closely followed by Jimmy Hendrix experience smash hits and then the Beatles white album.
01:29:26.04
Bill
Cool.
01:29:30.42
Mike
So yeah.
01:29:33.07
Bill
Yeah. I think, did I ever tell you that, uh, grandma J bought me a Led Zeppelin Zoso?
01:29:38.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:29:39.92
Bill
Yeah. I said, uh, whatever, whatever that album came out, which what would have been in the early eighties. Uh, was it 75?
01:29:45.80
Mike
No 1975. Yeah.
01:29:50.07
Bill
Okay.
01:29:50.20
Mike
But, so you got it.
01:29:50.32
Bill
I don't know why I was thinking.
01:29:51.28
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you probably got it then, but yeah.
01:29:54.75
Bill
Yeah. Cause I was sure I was trying to think where we lived at the time. I got it, which might've been.
01:29:57.62
Mike
And technically it's Led Zeppelin four, but go ahead.
01:30:01.05
Bill
Oh, okay. Well, I mean, you you know what I mean. but i mean people So people do call it so-so, right?
01:30:03.46
Mike
I do.
01:30:06.03
Bill
Am I wrong with that or no?
01:30:06.19
Mike
Yeah. No, I mean people do, but it's, yeah, it's Zeppelin four.
01:30:11.24
Bill
Okay, so that one. um But yeah, the dude with the with the thing on his back, right?
01:30:13.25
Mike
Yeah.
01:30:15.82
Mike
The faggot.
01:30:17.98
Bill
Yeah.
01:30:19.23
Mike
It is looking up.
01:30:20.08
Bill
Yeah.
01:30:20.23
Mike
It's a bundle of sticks.
01:30:21.76
Bill
No, I know I know it is. But yeah, that's that's the album.
01:30:24.31
Mike
Yes.
01:30:24.39
Bill
But we were I remember where we were. But yeah, she took me out. It was probably for my birthday. And ah I was just thinking we were in Pittsburgh at the time, which well would have been late 70s at that at that time frame.
01:30:33.64
Mike
Yeah. So i was it was probably a few years old when you got it, but yeah.
01:30:33.99
Bill
But
01:30:36.67
Bill
yeah yeah Yeah, I mean, it took me you know from, I don't know, maybe late 70s when I was like eight or nine to get into Led Zeppelin, but I was.
01:30:44.19
Mike
Right.
01:30:44.72
Bill
Because I know it was in Pittsburgh because the guy I hung out with was um his brothers were a little bit older. They were huge Zeppelin fans. And that's when I get into Van Halen. And that's when their their first album came out, right?
01:30:55.00
Mike
Yeah.
01:30:55.07
Bill
Mid to late?
01:30:55.54
Mike
78.
01:30:56.32
Bill
Yeah, 78. Yeah, so. OK, well, that's enough. ah That's a music talk for you on Silver Not Mature.
01:31:02.85
Mike
Right.
01:31:04.42
Bill
But yeah, anyhow, speaking
01:31:05.39
Mike
And talk about useless facts in your head that you don't have room for other shit. Like a what year did Led Zeppelin four come out?
01:31:10.79
Bill
Yeah.
01:31:13.83
Bill
Yeah, and you knew it, so.
01:31:14.98
Mike
Yeah. Again, useless shit in my head. It's yeah it's why I can't learn anything anymore.
01:31:20.01
Bill
But the thing, you know, to me, it's not useless because that's, you were the one I come to. And I mean, I, I, I've heard when, as soon as you said the Led Zeppelin form, like, oh yeah, I've heard that, but I always, I've heard it the other way too.
01:31:24.59
Mike
Right.
01:31:29.86
Bill
So, you know, um either way, but now yeah, you, you've enlightened me in a couple more ways, a little condescending with it, but that's okay.
01:31:35.83
Mike
All right.
01:31:37.29
Bill
You know, I'll accept it. I'll accept it. So I know that, you know, you were, you were being a Dick to try to teach me something. So um I'm okay with it.
01:31:42.91
Mike
That's right.
01:31:45.76
Mike
That's my teaching style.
01:31:45.97
Bill
All right. Right. All right, Dick, your turn.
01:31:48.86
Mike
You want me to sponsor you, you motherfuckers? ha
01:31:52.82
Bill
yeah yeah yeah No, thank you. No, see, you're you're nice to people when you're nice to people when you sponsor them, I believe.
01:31:56.09
Mike
Yeah, little condescending and a little dickish, but you know, yeah, that's how it was done with me.
01:31:59.25
Bill
You're you're forceful, you're forceful.
01:32:03.51
Bill
Yeah, that's okay. Right, all right, so I think that, yeah, speaking of an hour and a half, I think i think we're done. What do you think, your turn?
01:32:11.69
Mike
We are, ah yeah, I know I'm done. All right, well, thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Super Not Mature. As always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't tell anybody you did it. Leave that fucking can opener behind.
01:32:30.20
Mike
All right, now from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time till the ends of the earth, always and eternally, fuck you. Now it's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.
01:32:54.62
Mike
Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.
01:33:03.38
Bill
oh It was nice again different different stuff in there. I like it mix it up a little bit and no I'm not leaving the can over to because I just had I had to buy a new one because I got you know, really the only thing I used to I open my beans, you know like green beans
01:33:11.18
Mike
hey
01:33:19.64
Bill
And you know so I open it up and i clearly you've got you know the the moisture and juice from that. And the the wheel on the other one rusted. I went to use it. I'm like, well, fuck this. So I had to buy.
01:33:30.39
Bill
This is a brand new one I just bought. So I'm not leaving it.
01:33:32.11
Mike
No, rusted.
01:33:33.17
Bill
Fuck it.
01:33:34.40
Mike
Why don't you wash that shit off and put it in the rack that you bought?
01:33:38.65
Bill
I tried to clean it. it would it didn't It didn't help.
01:33:40.98
Mike
Well, no, I mean, like after you use it, you wash it off, put it in the rack and oh now you do.
01:33:41.10
Bill
So I just bought. Oh, I do. Now I do. Yeah, now I do. i I've learned, I've never, I've never had that happen with a can opener before.
01:33:51.89
Bill
So it's this, it's one from Walmart. It's not, I, I like yours when I was at your place. I'm like, cause you know, when I was opening, I was opening a can of bees. I'm like, I'm like, Ooh, this is a nice one.
01:34:01.25
Mike
Yeah, I don't have to live that way anymore.
01:34:01.86
Bill
yeah But I, and that was,
01:34:05.14
Mike
I have a nice can opener.
01:34:05.75
Bill
Yours, I tried. Yours is KitchenAid at Walmart. They have like fuckin' Faberware or whatever the fuck it is.
01:34:11.68
Mike
Hmm.
01:34:13.84
Bill
It's just cheap. And I'm like, that's all they had. So I had to buy the same goddamn thing again. But yes, now I clean off my can opener. But you, my friend, again, you're lucky I didn't take yours.
01:34:24.38
Mike
Ooh. Now, now we're not takers anymore.
01:34:27.40
Bill
I know, that's why I said you're lucky because the fact that I'm, um yes, I'm too sober, for I'm too sober for that shit and I'd be like, I don't know, wasn't me.
01:34:27.71
Mike
We're givers. Am I lucky or are you lucky? Where's my fucking can opener?
01:34:39.97
Mike
Right. And then the next thing you know, you're sucking a bottle of vodka. How's that can opener working out for you?
01:34:45.99
Bill
Right, it works well, it works well opening up my bottle of vodka.
01:34:50.31
Mike
That's right.
01:34:52.15
Bill
All right, man, I think I know we're done now and I.
01:34:54.94
Mike
I know that.
01:34:57.13
Bill
All right, I love you, brother.
01:34:58.27
Mike
I love you too.
01:34:59.51
Bill
and We will talk soon.
01:35:00.80
Mike
We shall.
01:35:01.94
Bill
Bye.
01:35:02.33
Mike
Bye.
