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Dec. 7, 2024
SoberNotMature - Episode 146 (Porcupines In Heat)
This week Mike and Bill are back with more nonsense and a few things that may amuse you. Maybe even a couple of words of wisdom? Don't hold your breath.
Mike started out with his reading and it was about tough days and tough moments. What do we do and how do we act? Mike was able to add some insight to this, based on his personal feelings this week.
We talked about some podcast stats, Rosie O'Donnell's daughter, setting standards, wanting what we have, staying sober versus living sober, spiritual awakenings, harboring thoughts, sinful cities and wicked porn.
And stupid attorneys.
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Transcript
00:00:01.53
Bill
All right, everyone, welcome once again to another episode of sober, not mature. And for those of you that might skip over our intro, I dropped a new little bit in the beginning and I'm i'm going to try something out here. So if you skipped over it, now you're going to get to hear it. So hang on one second, right?
00:00:25.76
Bill
Did you hear that?
00:00:26.67
Mike
I did Baseball Wow
00:00:29.11
Bill
And okay, here's, I got this, these have been in here. I've been meaning to mess with these things for how long have we had this six months? But okay, what's your, what's your favorite sport?
00:00:43.18
Bill
What is that? What's the instrument that do you have up in your attic?
00:00:47.71
Mike
Drums.
00:00:50.65
Bill
This one I got nothing for.
00:00:54.41
Bill
That's supposed to be a dramatic piano. and I thought I was gonna say, how the fuck do I stop the goddamn thing?
00:00:58.68
Mike
right.
00:01:02.34
Bill
That one plays longer than the other ones.
00:01:02.49
Mike
that Right.
00:01:04.88
Bill
But yeah, I realized that these have been up here for a while. I was gonna fuck around with them. I'd never even press the buttons before. So I'm like, i you know once I set up the recording, I'm like, I don't wanna fuck things up. you know
00:01:14.92
Mike
right
00:01:15.31
Bill
um But then, you know, I read something months ago that you can add, you know, these sounds in there. And I'm like, oh, you know, I wanna, I kinda wanted to showcase that that new thing. And I did, it's gonna be planted. And obviously it is this episode now that has been recorded, of course, for everyone listening. But um I'm just gonna plant it in front of every one of our, um in the front of the intro. I'm not gonna, well, either way, it's gonna be in there. But, you know, if people skip over it, you know, i I don't know, I like it. So here it is again.
00:01:49.21
Bill
Which the only way, and when you said that, I mean, I was laughing, we were talking about the ads that run. I don't want to like, not wanting to run beer ads and whatever, and then whatever came up and you said that. But the problem, i you don't you can't even imagine how long it took me to cut that down like that, it's ridiculous. But I was doing one of our normal episode clips and it came up to it and I missed it in the episode clip and I'm like, fuck, because it's really hard for me to identify, it's it whatever.
00:02:18.29
Bill
So um I'm like, God, I wonder if I can cut that out. So I had to go back into the regular cutting tool. I found it, this and that. But the problem is, is that in you and I, with all of our intro clips, the same thing happened.
00:02:29.01
Bill
The only good thing is, is that you and I, when we were talking over each other, when some of these clips came in, it was when we were on our old setup. So like you, when you came in with like, you're welcome ladies and shit like that.
00:02:37.39
Mike
Right.
00:02:41.00
Mike
Uh huh.
00:02:42.15
Bill
um I was talking and you popped in and you could, you can't hear me because you, Ended up it recorded over me. So this one was hard because I was still talking and when you said that um um like I'm like I Trying to get a closer that it cut off part of yours and I'm like, oh fuck it Part of my voice is gonna be in there.
00:02:59.01
Bill
What the fuck? It doesn't matter, you know No, it just doesn't matter.
00:02:59.54
Mike
Right. It does not.
00:03:03.28
Bill
But I don't know I think it's I think it's funny as fuck and it's gonna start out our episodes So yeah worst case scenario in a regular ad might run then that and then our intro and then into the episode So I just think it's fucking fun.
00:03:07.25
Mike
All right.
00:03:15.42
Bill
So
00:03:17.59
Mike
All right, Ted.
00:03:18.91
Bill
Yeah, but but anyhow, so you said he had a week. I suppose we could talk about that later if you feel um up to it, but I gotta, do you ever get the um but points and stuff?
00:03:23.65
Mike
yeah
00:03:28.93
Bill
You get the points from Domino's, right? With the free pizzas and whatever?
00:03:32.08
Mike
Yeah.
00:03:33.10
Bill
Yeah, I actually got, and I completely, completely kept forgetting that I had points on there.
00:03:37.31
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:03:38.55
Bill
I don't think i I've, I haven't paid full price now for a pizza in probably six weeks, because I've been using the points, and then tonight I did one of those, whatever it is, the emergency pizza, so it's fucking free.
00:03:47.50
Mike
Right. Right.
00:03:48.37
Bill
So I'm like, I think, I think I've spent the same amount over the last six weeks on six pizzas as I do for one, just because I get to know what the points I get charged a little bit for the toppings.
00:03:59.38
Bill
But either way, I'm like, I got, I got fucking pizza, but today it was fucking free.
00:03:59.98
Mike
Right.
00:04:04.48
Mike
Nice.
00:04:04.67
Bill
okay Yeah. Makes it makes it taste just a little bit better that way. Yeah.
00:04:09.06
Mike
fair Yeah.
00:04:11.13
Bill
But, um, I, I've got some stuff we've got, uh, I don't know if, uh, well, you don't know, you're not really much on Spotify, but they came out with their Spotify wrap up, which they do every year. So just a couple of things.
00:04:20.12
Mike
Right. I mean, people post shit all over Facebook, their top, whatever for the year. Okay.
00:04:25.30
Bill
Yeah.
00:04:25.59
Mike
That's fine. Right. The top songs and stuff. I don't listen to music on Spotify. So yeah.
00:04:29.58
Bill
Right.
00:04:31.17
Mike
Cause I went to look, I was like, well, do I have it? No, I don't have shit.
00:04:34.94
Bill
yeah And I think it's just, it's, it's got to be a certain thing and I'll go over a couple of the things from my personal one. We're kind of funny, but, um, I just wrote down it just a couple of quick stats from, you know, obviously our podcast.
00:04:45.22
Bill
I didn't go through everything.
00:04:45.80
Mike
see
00:04:46.78
Bill
It's nothing out of the ordinary, but, um, I dunno, just kind of fun stuff, but I have actually found three articles, uh, this, this week. So ah these are just like little teaser things. One's about, uh, porn.
00:04:57.80
Bill
Um, once about sinful, sinful, I won't go into what it is.
00:05:03.79
Mike
right.
00:05:03.82
Bill
And then the other one has a mess and other drug paraphernalia involved.
00:05:06.95
Mike
All right.
00:05:07.22
Bill
So i got we get, we get some,
00:05:10.27
Mike
We got a full coffee table.
00:05:12.15
Bill
I was just gonna say, you wanna talk about a party like you said last week with the fucking chickens and cocaine. That right there, that's a nice little party. yeah Little porn, some sin, some fucking drug paraphernalia, we're good to go.
00:05:21.29
Mike
Yeah. hu
00:05:27.78
Bill
That's ah that's a Friday night, brother.
00:05:29.56
Mike
It is.
00:05:31.27
Bill
All right, but you know what? Speaking of, let's get all that shitty stuff out of the way for a minute. Let's get back to something wholesome, I think.
00:05:37.20
Mike
ah Well, we'll see.
00:05:40.28
Bill
Well, yeah, it it is you reading it, but there the words that are coming out of your mouth hopefully will be wholesome, right?
00:05:42.28
Mike
Right.
00:05:45.03
Mike
and see Well, that they're not mine, so there's a shot.
00:05:49.40
Bill
ah Right, yeah. and get We got that going for us, which is nice.
00:05:52.09
Mike
Right. It is. All right. Yeah. I was sitting here trying to find something and nothing was scratching me where I itch. Um, like seriously, nothing. I'm going, God damn it. You know, it's getting to be, it was like three minutes to seven and I'm going, I don't have anything yet. um What am I going to do? Um, so I found this one, um, again, kind of goes along with my week, my attitude. Uh, we'll get into it after I read it.
00:06:20.50
Mike
Alright, this is uh This is uh may 2nd Dealing with him is like dealing with a porcupine in heat There's nobody claim that quote, that is anonymous. ah Let's see, some days we wake up angry at the world. Everyone annoys us. We try to tell ourselves that we're spiritual people and need to have a better attitude. But still, sometimes those inner voices keep whispering that the world is out to get us.
00:06:54.26
Mike
um This is called life. Part of life is having bad days. What is important is how we choose to behave during those bad days. We can't take our negative attitudes too seriously. These voices feed self-righteousness and can drive us back to being self-centered addicts. We can end up believing that we are entitled to happiness on demand.
00:07:21.80
Mike
We know where these old attitudes and old behaviors will land us. Prayer for the day. When I feel negative and full of myself higher power, help me to remember that this too will pass, especially if I don't take it too seriously.
00:07:39.69
Mike
Today's action, those pesky actions. Today I will write down a plan for what to do the next time I wake up feeling negative and mad at the world. Who will I call? What will I do to try to turn over my negative attitude? Maybe I'll talk about it on a podcast.
00:07:59.09
Bill
I was going to say, that's a goddamn good place to start because, you know, I joked a little bit, but it's seriously, you know, I mean, we're we're both. ah I mean, you're later in your fifties than I am, but um i'm I'm no longer in my mid fifties.
00:08:09.62
Mike
Yes, I am.
00:08:13.47
Bill
I'm past. I'm on that, you know, that downhill, that downhill fucking rocket sled into 60 also.
00:08:15.14
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:08:18.70
Bill
But, um you know, I. i I feel fine, again, old Buick, I get to get my shit rolling and then fine during the day, but when when I wake up in the morning, man, I'm just some fucking sore, it doesn't matter, you know?
00:08:29.94
Mike
Right.
00:08:30.05
Bill
So a lot of times I do, my first words out of my mouth are, fuck me.
00:08:34.24
Mike
Hey.
00:08:35.88
Bill
but But you know, I mean, I woke up, you know, all those good things, we can get into all that shit, but yeah, so just in in a negative side of things.
00:08:39.81
Mike
ah
00:08:42.42
Bill
So um Mike, why don't we start there? Over to you.
00:08:46.41
Mike
yeah
00:08:49.72
Mike
oh Yeah, I mean, um I don't know man, I just I've been in. I just I don't have fucking tolerance for anything this week. I don't fucking I sure as hell don't want to deal with the holidays. I know that's part of it. I know that's part of it.
00:09:05.81
Mike
um You know, um and usually within the next week or so, Chris and I are jetting off to Mexico. That's not happening this year, right?
00:09:14.36
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
00:09:16.71
Mike
You know, which which has been nice because, you know, I avoid this whole holiday shit. um for And it's one of the reasons that we we go this this time of year.
00:09:27.43
Mike
Um, you know, we get back right before Christmas and it's like, yeah, okay, we're back, you know, okay. And then it's Christmas and then it's done. Um, I dunno, I'm just, I'm just, yeah.
00:09:41.24
Mike
Um, yeah, pretty fucking whatever. I mean, but again, I liked one of the reasons I liked the reading it was because, you know, okay, so we're feeling this way. I'm feeling this way.
00:09:51.52
Bill
Right.
00:09:54.03
Mike
What's my behavior? Um, and, and, you know, I, I'm not perfect. I'm i'm not walking on water or anywhere anytime soon. Well, it is icy out. So I guess I kind of been walking on water, but ah yeah I did.
00:10:06.23
Bill
That's a great point. You know what? I'm going to use that one. You know what? I walked on water today. right hey ah but
00:10:14.03
Mike
All right. Not in water on water. Um, But, but, um, yeah, but I, you know, I, I'm trying not to, you know, because of all of this, uh, whatever training and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, working this program and, and whatever. Um, yeah, I, you know, I'm, I'm consciously not trying to take it out on others and I'm i'm doing a pretty good job. but
00:10:40.88
Bill
Right. But I mean, you know i the the first thing that the that I'll say is that, um and I wasn't thinking about the Mexico thing, but um I mean, i'm not I'm not trying to speak for what's in that fucking big old head of yours, but um my my guess is that that's in the back of your mind and that's fucking up your mood a little bit because this is a,
00:10:48.21
Mike
Hmm.
00:10:59.12
Mike
yeah
00:11:00.14
Bill
this is a time of year when you get an escape and it's a nice warm thing and you and your you know the woman that you love get to go and spend some time together in this nice warm weather and just get get away and recharge and refresh and all those all those you know happy things that you know whatever everyone calls ooze and self-care you know but it is you know
00:11:05.46
Mike
bright see Right.
00:11:17.19
Mike
Mm hmm. It is right.
00:11:19.85
Bill
um But the the only other thing that that I'll say, something you said to me, you know probably 13 years ago, was a gratitude list.
00:11:27.06
Mike
Okay. May I know?
00:11:30.20
Bill
And and you know it was kind of funny, I was i wasn't laughing, but when when you were saying that, you know everything irritates me. i no nothing And I'm like, Jesus Christ, that's I remember literally standing in my bedroom door, you're standing at your bedroom door in the place to where we live, where you and I live together.
00:11:42.67
Mike
isn Right.
00:11:45.24
Bill
And I'm running through that same fucking laundry list of things. and
00:11:47.87
Mike
he
00:11:48.33
Bill
um I'm like Jesus Christ. It was it was it was so fucking weird um But I don't know. I mean, it's ah it I haven't done one in a while Why did I've done one since I've been down here because I just remembered I I lost it behind the behind the dresser It's moving some papers and it fucking dropped down because again a couple years ago, you know when I don't know I was down here 6 8 9 months whatever it was and I got in just a mood about something and I didn't know what the fuck it was and Um, you know, I know now I was thinking about it today.
00:12:02.44
Mike
Ah, right.
00:12:11.11
Mike
Right.
00:12:15.70
Bill
Um, I was actually, you know, I unplugged the modem and was waiting for it to kind of, you know, just sit for a minute till I reset it. And I kind of looked behind me and I could see my, you know, my bags, my all the bags with my travel stuff. And I'm like, man, I want to fucking go someplace, you know.
00:12:28.10
Mike
here
00:12:29.15
Bill
And it has literally nothing to do with, and I qualify that, or qualify, quantify, whatever it is.
00:12:35.64
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:12:35.65
Bill
I explain this every time because, yeah, I mean, it has nothing to do with where I'm at, nothing to do with our sister.
00:12:36.43
Mike
Sub keyword.
00:12:41.99
Mike
Right.
00:12:42.15
Bill
um I'm comfortable, I love her to death, nothing's wrong, you know?
00:12:44.46
Mike
Mm hmm. Right, right.
00:12:46.24
Bill
um But I've just gotten in this in this habit now that now I've been doing, I don't wanna say nothing, but I've been kind of sitting still for two weeks and I wanna fucking go someplace.
00:12:51.36
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:12:55.54
Bill
But, and I'll talk about my other, by what I got planned coming up, it's, you know, big thing, whatever, it's all good.
00:12:58.34
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:13:01.13
Bill
But um yeah, it's it's weird, I think that, you know, what plays in the back of our minds and I don't know, I mean, maybe the, again, I never thought about the Mexico thing, but to me that makes that makes a lot of sense, you know?
00:13:12.64
Mike
Sure, you know and and again, in avoiding Christmas, which I can't do as much. you know i'm still I'm still trying, trust me.
00:13:18.28
Bill
Right.
00:13:20.43
Mike
um I'm doing my best to avoid it. um I told Chris the other night, I'm like, yeah, whatever man, it's holiday thing. i'm I'm not having anything to do with any of it. yeah I'm not. um Yeah, it's just, you know, whatever, commercials on TV and everything, I'm just looking at it going, why? It's it's just so fucking stupid.
00:13:42.88
Mike
oh
00:13:43.38
Bill
okay
00:13:43.67
Mike
yeah And it is, but that's fine. That's me.
00:13:49.43
Bill
Right.
00:13:50.04
Mike
You know, if you're out there enjoying it, it's, you know, and well, I mean, it is religiously based and we all know where I stand on that.
00:13:55.59
Bill
Hmm.
00:13:55.86
Mike
And, you know, if it makes you happy, God, great. Good. You know, I'm glad for you. It's just, it's fucking in my face and annoying me.
00:14:03.97
Bill
right yeah and it's uh even even thanksgiving you know because uh you know kathy and i were talking about because everyone was kind of spread out again this year and you know i i had told her i'm like you know i i said you do because she was talking about something i forget what she was talking about doing doing something and i'm like uh oh christmas she was trying to figure it out and she's like yeah that's the one time she's like i really like to you know she goes i don't want to be alone at christmas i like spending time with people and
00:14:04.63
Mike
Yeah.
00:14:10.40
Mike
Right.
00:14:26.95
Mike
he
00:14:27.41
Bill
um And she's like, if if everyone else is in different directions, she's like, I'll go out to Boston meeting her.
00:14:32.50
Mike
Yeah.
00:14:32.53
Bill
She's like, I'll go out, hang out with ah you know Jody and John and Gail and whatever.
00:14:33.45
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
00:14:35.82
Bill
And um and i said I said, if you do that, I said, I don't give a fuck.
00:14:36.46
Mike
Right.
00:14:40.43
Bill
I'm like, I don't care about, I don't i like Christmas being around the kids and stuff like that.
00:14:41.07
Mike
Right.
00:14:44.67
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:14:45.06
Bill
I just you know send a text to my daughter. I'm like, what does what does Ali want to figure out a couple of things for that?
00:14:50.39
Mike
Sure.
00:14:50.50
Bill
if if she went someplace for Christmas, more likely what I would do, because I'm off Christmas Eve and the day after, of course, Christmas, but I took off the surrounding days, not knowing what the fuck was going on.
00:14:55.11
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.
00:15:02.20
Bill
um But I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the kids got going on, but I'm like, I would just drive up maybe one of the days and I don't know, hang out for a minute. You know, um other than that, I don't I don't care.
00:15:08.94
Mike
Sure. Yeah.
00:15:11.68
Bill
I don't care about Christmas.
00:15:12.48
Mike
Right.
00:15:12.96
Bill
It's.
00:15:13.75
Mike
Well, yeah, I mean, you've got, you know, you've got the little one. I mean, I don't even have any little ones anymore.
00:15:16.86
Bill
Yeah.
00:15:19.22
Mike
is So which is fine with me.
00:15:19.26
Bill
Right.
00:15:21.65
Mike
Trust me. I'm not complaining about that. I don't want any little ones anymore.
00:15:25.05
Bill
Right.
00:15:25.64
Mike
ah But yeah, you know, like again, yeah I mean, you know, my granddaughter is going to be 17 coming up this year, you know, so it's like, yeah, you know, it's fine and I'll get her something or whatever.
00:15:33.59
Bill
Right.
00:15:37.76
Mike
But yeah it's not it's not magical little kid Christmasy stuff. I just I'm the.
00:15:43.58
Bill
Right. Yeah, I know. And even even last year, you know we went up to um Milwaukee and there was that, I can't remember even what it's called, but they had this whole thing and in Franklin at this this big old complex.
00:15:55.22
Bill
It was the all the lights, the Christmas shit, the whatever, the Santa.
00:15:57.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:15:59.62
Bill
And we went up there and met Kimmy, Brian, and Ollie, and me, Kathy, and Kylie drove up there.
00:16:03.68
Mike
Yeah, I remember.
00:16:04.07
Bill
um And I never would have went out of my way to do something like that had it not been for him, you know?
00:16:09.48
Mike
Right, exactly.
00:16:09.95
Bill
um And I am like, ah okay, give it it was, I had fun. It was one of those nights when it wasn't even that cold, but it was damp.
00:16:15.39
Mike
Mm-hmm, that's right.
00:16:17.07
Bill
So it was just like, you felt like, I don't know, it was cold ultimately, but it was nice. Whatever the cost was, it was no big deal as a, you know, five hours of driving back and forth, not a huge deal.
00:16:23.21
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:16:28.18
Bill
um you know for the whatever couple hours we got to spend doing that. But again, it is, it's surrounded around you know like him and stuff like that.
00:16:34.70
Mike
Right.
00:16:35.66
Bill
But even like the like Christmas morning and stuff like that, I have not spent a Christmas morning with, I think Kimmy and Brian were out here a few years ago. when all This is before I actually came down here, but everyone was down.
00:16:47.51
Mike
Right.
00:16:48.22
Bill
I think Derek might have been here, but it's been a long time since it's been like a full family thing.
00:16:48.60
Mike
Right.
00:16:52.45
Mike
Right.
00:16:52.56
Bill
you know um But again, I don't ah care as much. it's i I don't care about Christmas. I care about that time with my my kids and my my family type of thing.
00:17:04.20
Mike
right
00:17:05.14
Bill
you know And it just, yeah.
00:17:05.48
Mike
Yeah, but you know, care about that all year long.
00:17:08.17
Bill
Exactly, right.
00:17:08.27
Mike
It doesn't matter, right? I know, you know, I mean, yeah lights.
00:17:11.16
Bill
now
00:17:12.25
Mike
I'm sitting next to a lamp. I have a light right here.
00:17:15.89
Bill
right Yeah, you know it's kind of funny, Kathy did all the all the decorating and stuff.
00:17:16.20
Mike
this
00:17:20.65
Bill
She still has to get a tree and bring up her Christmas dishes. and um you know She spent whatever day it was, Saturday or Sunday, it's probably Sunday, I think it was, you know doing all that stuff. and I mean, she loves doing it. She loves putting all that shit up and taking all that shit down.
00:17:30.34
Mike
Sure.
00:17:32.68
Bill
it is I look at it, I'm like, man, I just, I mean, like when Dawn and I were together, um my my job mainly was and we bought a we bought an artificial tree And the first year that we were there in the house together, we were there for six years.
00:17:48.33
Bill
The first year we took the lights off the tree and then put them back up. And then the second year we're taking the tree down and we got the ornaments off. And one of us was like, why the fuck do we even take the lights off?
00:17:59.29
Bill
You know, it wasn't one of the trees you buy with the lights built in.
00:17:59.70
Mike
Right. Sure.
00:18:02.79
Bill
um She's like, all we got to do if we fold this thing up, put up we but ah a tree bag for it, you know like a plastic bag.
00:18:07.37
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:18:08.54
Bill
And um all I did was ah you could I could carry it downstairs. I put it in a corner in the basement. you know um And that was mainly my job to bring up the tree, carry up some boxes.
00:18:14.41
Mike
Yeah.
00:18:19.19
Bill
She's the one that did a lot of the decorating. yeah I helped with the tree and stuff, but she did probably more of that stuff. Not that I didn't care, but again, we had little kids.
00:18:26.93
Mike
Right.
00:18:27.02
Bill
you know So big difference, big difference.
00:18:28.08
Mike
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. You know, and like i we say every holiday when we do our pre-holiday and talk to newer folks, it's just another day of the year.
00:18:32.32
Bill
Yeah.
00:18:36.47
Bill
and Yeah, it really is. Yeah.
00:18:41.55
Mike
And it really is this year.
00:18:41.78
Bill
and
00:18:44.17
Bill
Well, in and you know that like like I said, this year too, it's gonna be fucking weird because depending on, well, even regardless, I mean, I'll find out what the kids are are doing if if one of the days, either Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, or the day after Christmas, whatever it is, um because I don't know you know what what they got going on.
00:18:50.94
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:18:59.23
Bill
you know And Kimmy and Brian rightfully so, they've done the last two years with you know just them with Ollie in the morning and stuff like that.
00:19:05.64
Mike
Sure.
00:19:05.90
Bill
And that's their, they finally after all these years have their, have a family, you know a little thing.
00:19:09.77
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:19:10.95
Bill
And that's, I mean, I'm like, I mean, who am I?
00:19:11.55
Mike
Absolutely.
00:19:14.42
Bill
Okay, let's put it this way. Who would I be to say god damn it? I want to be there which if I was invited I would fucking love it.
00:19:19.65
Mike
Sure.
00:19:22.18
Mike
Of course.
00:19:23.00
Bill
Okay, but I It's their deal.
00:19:23.18
Mike
Right.
00:19:25.55
Bill
You know, I mean
00:19:25.98
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yes. They're creating their own family memories stuff.
00:19:29.82
Bill
Yeah, and you know what?
00:19:30.35
Mike
Yeah, good. Right. They're supposed to.
00:19:31.89
Bill
they they They love me and they care about me and it doesn't fucking hurt my feelings and I'm not worried about any of that shit being like, well, I can't be there.
00:19:35.40
Mike
Right.
00:19:39.48
Bill
o So I don't know. I mean, I get it. I get exactly what you're what you're talking about.
00:19:44.41
Mike
Right.
00:19:45.50
Bill
And you know um you and I have talked about it plenty of times on here in the last, and what is it, almost you know coming about three years, me and my fucking mood swings, youre you were due for one. So you know it's your turn.
00:19:54.54
Mike
yeah All right. Well, thank you for co-signing that bullshit.
00:19:59.40
Bill
Well, I fucking have them all the time. you know I'm like, why the fuck am i why the fuck do I feel so bad? Then I get out then i fucking get on here a couple of years ago.
00:20:04.80
Mike
Right.
00:20:06.00
Bill
Why the fuck am I in such a good mood?
00:20:08.02
Mike
but Exactly.
00:20:08.16
Bill
you know
00:20:10.48
Bill
I complain about it.
00:20:10.88
Mike
Right. Yeah. And I'm not even in a bad mood. I'm just, I'm like, you know, fucking, I don't know. Yeah. And then of course, grand Torino was on the other night. So I watched that and I fucking love Walt band.
00:20:22.61
Mike
He's my spirit animal. I'm sitting there going, yeah, fuck everybody.
00:20:24.22
Bill
right
00:20:28.86
Bill
Yeah, I got to watch that movie again. That's, that's another one. Cause that's, that's a meme all the time. They show Clint Eastwood standing on his porch and it's like the older I get, the more I understand why he looks at people that way or some stupid shit like that.
00:20:34.83
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:20:38.55
Mike
Absolutely.
00:20:40.13
Bill
Yeah. And the same thing is that, uh, you know, I just saw one the other day and I think I, it was either in a story or I might've actually posted it. It was Clark Griswold, you know, from Christmas vacation with the chainsaw.
00:20:49.23
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:20:50.94
Bill
And they're like, again, older, I get the more I realized that he actually wasn't that crazy.
00:20:54.88
Mike
Right.
00:20:57.15
Bill
And I'm like, yeah, there he, there he are.
00:20:59.24
Mike
Right.
00:20:59.24
Bill
No.
00:20:59.88
Mike
But again, that's the thing, man, you know, ah whatever our fucking moods are back to this stupid reading. Um, Right. It's it's what our what is our behaviors, you know, and I'm again, I'm not well, I've been been lucky and I haven't really been having to deal with anybody too much, which is good.
00:21:18.23
Bill
Right.
00:21:18.28
Mike
um You know, right. um And it's yeah, you know, but what I'm out and about, I mean, you know, like we always say walking into a store or whatever. I mean, you smile.
00:21:28.54
Mike
Hi. How you doing? How's your day? Blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't fucking care. But I yeah but I act as if.
00:21:36.03
Bill
Right.
00:21:36.13
Mike
I learned that a long damn time ago. Act as if, man. Act like a fucking decent human being even if you're not feeling it.
00:21:42.83
Bill
Right. Yeah, and and we've talked about it plenty too.
00:21:43.76
Mike
to
00:21:45.52
Bill
I mean, sometimes that, and and if I've ever been in the mood, I mean, just even since I've been down here, you know, you get in in close proximity with people. It doesn't matter who it is. It could be a significant other.
00:21:55.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:21:56.32
Bill
It could be, you know, a family member. that you know Kathy and I obviously are around each other a lot.
00:21:58.56
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:22:01.37
Bill
And you know, i've I've snapped at her a couple of times and had no idea fucking why and then apologize I'm like, I don't know I'm in a fucking mood and I don't know why you know, and I'm just gonna go upstairs and I'm gonna fucking watch TV That's what I'm gonna do, you know, and if I'm if I'm in a mood and I know it
00:22:09.09
Mike
he ye Yep,
00:22:17.61
Bill
I just try, I just, you know, i if I'm asked a question or whatever, I'll respond, but I try not to engage because I know that it it's it has nothing to do with anyone.
00:22:22.47
Mike
Mm
00:22:25.84
Bill
It could be somebody at work, it could be as somebody at a store, it could be any anyone.
00:22:26.79
Mike
hmm.
00:22:30.16
Bill
And I'm just trying to like, okay, i'm just gonna I'm just gonna walk my way through this and get out of the situation because I don't know why, but I'm in a fucking mood.
00:22:38.22
Mike
Right, right. It could be some asshole in their car doing 25 miles an hour on the freeway.
00:22:39.54
Bill
yeah
00:22:43.31
Mike
Cause it's snowing a bit.
00:22:45.42
Bill
right Right, yeah. Yeah, and you deal with ah you deal with that on a fucking daily basis.
00:22:49.79
Mike
Hmm.
00:22:51.67
Bill
or Man, i talked to this one I talked to this one guy today.
00:22:52.02
Mike
Yeah.
00:22:55.71
Bill
He just he was so fucking stupid. you know i mean either i there's There's a lot of people that are in the middle that are decent human beings to deal with.
00:23:02.45
Mike
Sure.
00:23:03.19
Bill
you know And again, i'm I'm dealing with people in a business level, not consumers.
00:23:03.37
Mike
Right.
00:23:06.76
Bill
Consumer collections can be so much worse only because you know those individuals don't fucking filter.
00:23:06.95
Mike
ah hu
00:23:11.72
Bill
They're sitting there in their house and they got nobody to you know be quiet for.
00:23:13.95
Mike
Right.
00:23:15.06
Bill
you know but um A lot of times you'll get these extremes you get somebody that's um that irritates the fuck out of me because they think they're really intelligent but they're not.
00:23:23.43
Mike
e Right.
00:23:24.36
Bill
You know where the other people that are just they're truly fucking stupid and you can't get through to him you know. And then this this other guy the other day this one I oh god i almost can stop laughing. Um, I called him up and he's pitching about whatever, talked to him a few different times, trying to get, you know, get him pay this thing.
00:23:38.50
Bill
And finally he's like, fine, you know what? Fuck it. I'll go ahead and pay it. I'm like, okay, how do you want to take care of that?
00:23:43.10
Mike
Yeah, right.
00:23:43.67
Bill
We're setting it up. He's got a guy, you could hear a guy in the background. He must be had a speaker phone in his car or whatever. What's it, you know, he's working. and um He's mumbling the entire time, he's like, you fucking people, you fucking guys.
00:23:54.26
Bill
He goes, you ready yet? I'm like, just one moment, please. You know, listen man, taking this stuff.
00:23:57.31
Mike
Yeah.
00:23:58.26
Bill
Then he's like, he goes, you guys are fucking criminals. How do you fucking sleep at night? This is the end of my head. I'm like, like a fucking baby, man.
00:24:04.01
Mike
you know
00:24:04.58
Bill
You know, I said, thank you. You're just puffing up my commission check. Can I help you? ah How long can I help you?
00:24:08.85
Mike
Right.
00:24:09.78
Bill
You know, I'm like, it it has nothing to do with me, you know, and he's not mad at me.
00:24:14.34
Mike
No.
00:24:14.55
Bill
But um yeah, the whole way is just fuck this, fuck you, mumble it in the background, you motherfuckers, you fucking assholes, pieces of shit. and I'm just I'm trying so hard not to fucking laugh because that's as bad as telling somebody to fuck off.
00:24:24.27
Mike
Right.
00:24:26.91
Bill
If you laugh at them, that's that's as bad in that circumstance. But
00:24:31.11
Mike
Yep.
00:24:31.59
Bill
um And you know people like that don't irritate me put the other two do what I get I talked to a guy today Just fucking irritate for no reason.
00:24:36.41
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:24:37.96
Bill
I was so fucking wound up with this dude. I've just wanted to fucking go off But I can't like you said some guy driving around myself, you know 30 miles an hour whatever it is Same concept, but oh one thing I wrote down this too shall pass.
00:24:44.70
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yep.
00:24:51.85
Bill
Do you feel better?
00:24:52.40
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah, for the moment.
00:24:56.91
Bill
No like that mean hey hey dumb fuck you okay, okay, okay over there
00:24:59.57
Mike
Yeah. Fucking A.
00:25:01.97
Bill
yeah Cause I wrote down from that porcupine and heat. I always loved that reading. Um, yeah, it just starts off with that, that quote, the porcupine and heat, um, angry at the world.
00:25:09.62
Mike
Yep.
00:25:11.15
Bill
We talked about that world is out to get us.
00:25:12.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:25:13.11
Bill
We talked about that.
00:25:14.04
Mike
Right. Which it definitely doesn't play into any of this.
00:25:15.55
Bill
yeah
00:25:17.54
Mike
Cause I know the world's not out to get me cause I'm not that fucking important.
00:25:18.43
Bill
I know, I know. Um, in tight, entitled to happiness.
00:25:22.33
Mike
Figured that out a long time ago.
00:25:25.53
Bill
Uh, yeah, I mean, know I don't think we think that we don't think that way.
00:25:26.43
Mike
No, no, no, absolutely not.
00:25:28.55
Bill
Happiness is a, happiness is a byproduct.
00:25:30.59
Mike
No, I. It is right.
00:25:32.02
Bill
yeah
00:25:32.86
Mike
Yeah. ah All of that's fine. It's just, yeah just, you know, whatever. Hopefully it'll be January soon and it'll all be over with.
00:25:45.51
Bill
I wrote down behaved during bad days or bad moments. So yeah, we, we already talked about that.
00:25:47.88
Mike
Yep.
00:25:49.44
Bill
I was writing something down and then I started to write other things. So I just wrote down the word self. No fucking idea what what part of the reading that was, it was yeah right.
00:25:53.78
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. And it is, I mean, it's, you know, again, I, I know that too. It's fucking selfish and self-centered and you I'm the one that's having you back.
00:26:05.77
Mike
Yeah, I am. And that's fine. And I understand that doesn't make it go away right away, but it will go away eventually.
00:26:09.51
Bill
Yeah. yeah
00:26:13.95
Mike
Cause like you said, it will pass.
00:26:16.89
Bill
right and ah And that's the thing that, you know I don't know, ah same thing. i Once I figured out, and it was, once again, this this podcast has brought about a lot of eye-opening things for me and you know realizing that I actually honestly have mood swings and I don't know why.
00:26:32.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:26:33.37
Bill
you know i don't And i I figured it out on here, because I would, you know from week to week, I'm in a bad mood.
00:26:33.72
Mike
Right.
00:26:39.24
Bill
I'm in a good mood. I'm in a great mood. Why am I in a bad mood?
00:26:40.88
Mike
Right.
00:26:41.56
Bill
Why am I so happy? Say, Jesus Christ. You know, it's just, it gets tiresome, but it's, you know, but realizing that for, at least for me, you know, it's just my, my base point is, you know, fucking miserable.
00:26:53.27
Mike
Sure.
00:26:54.97
Bill
You know, I'm, I ah either, I'm, I'm a miserable son of a bitch, probably deep down, which is why I wanted to, you know, medicate myself all the time.
00:26:59.45
Mike
he
00:27:02.00
Mike
sure
00:27:02.78
Bill
You know, so I, I have to work. I have to walk up the down escalator all the fucking time, every goddamn day and what I forget to, I have to go it backwards.
00:27:07.48
Mike
Yep. Uh huh.
00:27:12.51
Bill
Then I'm like, why am I in a fucking bad mood? Keep walking, dick, that's why.
00:27:15.78
Mike
a Yep.
00:27:19.83
Bill
You stopped walking, you dumb dick.
00:27:19.91
Mike
That's it, man. Right. Just keep fucking trudging along and that happy destiny will fucking be there.
00:27:28.05
Bill
Right. So you guys, speaking of snow though, you guys got hit a couple of times, didn't you? I mean recently?
00:27:32.74
Mike
Oh, well, no, I, I'm not an idiot. And I live on the west side of Cleveland where we know, um, yeah, out East.
00:27:43.03
Mike
Um, yeah it's, I mean, like Ashtabula way out East, you know, going towards Erie and stuff that had like five feet.
00:27:47.32
Bill
Right.
00:27:49.80
Bill
Oh my God, really?
00:27:52.05
Mike
Yeah. I mean, over, over ah four or five, six days, something like that.
00:27:56.86
Bill
Right.
00:27:57.17
Mike
But yeah, yeah, it's been getting hammered. No, uh, my, I haven't traveled my driveway. We had about an inch yes yesterday that and yesterday was the first time, um, you know, my granddaughter was out on the East side.
00:28:03.66
Bill
Oh, really? Okay.
00:28:10.50
Mike
She's spending some time out there and she's like, yeah, we're snowed in blah, blah, blah, my center a picture of the front yard. There's fucking nothing.
00:28:17.81
Bill
ah
00:28:20.24
Mike
Yep.
00:28:21.68
Bill
Well, and it is, well, Sapko, you know, he used to work on, he worked on the east side and obviously when we were still um living at the Keating Center, um you know, in the three quarter dorm, and I remember he used to, he'd leave and, you know, be on his way to work and it would be progressively worse.
00:28:26.85
Mike
Right.
00:28:38.48
Mike
Yep.
00:28:38.68
Bill
And edie anyone out there, just take a look at the state of Ohio and take a look at a map where Cleveland is, literally right on a lake, but watch how the state, if you look at it, curves upwards
00:28:48.26
Mike
Yes, it does.
00:28:48.70
Bill
And it comes across and it just fucking dumps on the snow. It's the same thing with you know the other side of Lake Michigan from Wisconsin.
00:28:53.69
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:28:56.03
Bill
you know Milwaukee will get nothing.
00:28:56.37
Mike
Right. Right.
00:28:58.45
Bill
And you know all those cities on that area, and even where where Kathy lives can get hit.
00:29:01.38
Mike
Yeah. Benton Harbor and shit, right? Yeah. On the, on the West side of Michigan.
00:29:03.94
Bill
Yeah.
00:29:05.44
Mike
Yeah. Cause it's just going across the lake and picking up moisture and dumping it on them. Yep.
00:29:11.94
Bill
There was a, and it just reminded me, there was a time, and this is when, fuck, I think this was, man, maybe it wasn't when Dawn and I were together. Either way, it doesn't matter. But where, um well, you you saw where I lived in, obviously in Germantown, um you know, and how far that was from, you know, the lakefront, you know, what, 30 minutes or something like that?
00:29:27.23
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:29:29.63
Bill
And Dawn and I lived just a little bit south of there, not too far from that Greek restaurant that you and I went to. Well, you went by we and I went by the house.
00:29:35.44
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:29:37.39
Bill
And there was one time when this this storm stalled literally right on the lakefront in this, it was this counterclockwise swirling, okay? And so lake effect snow, obviously that happens all the time in Milwaukee, and then tapers out, you know?
00:29:53.14
Mike
Right.
00:29:53.34
Bill
It was this little, so whatever you wanna call it, squall, swirl, was so bad, we were getting lake effect snow in nominee falls.
00:30:02.77
Mike
Nice.
00:30:03.35
Bill
And it was so big. It just literally it just kept dumping and fucking dumping just dumping.
00:30:06.87
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:30:09.04
Bill
It was fucking terrible. um But yeah, just one of the weirdest things is that me again, you know, you're 20, 30 miles out, you know, or whatever it is, you know, but.
00:30:11.08
Mike
see Right. Well, yeah, I mean, shit when that, uh, that, uh, the Browns game, the snow couple, uh, whatever weeks ago, you know, the national game, right?
00:30:24.42
Bill
Right.
00:30:25.80
Mike
And every, I mean, I had friends and stuff in California going, yeah, bla blah, blah, blah. I'm going, dude, I'm four and a half miles to the west and I got nothing. I mean, seriously, I'm looking at the TV and yeah, it is literally four and a half miles to the east of me, the stadium.
00:30:41.60
Bill
Right.
00:30:41.68
Mike
and a little bit north and and yeah, I'm it's like dumping down on my television and I'm looking out my window and there's nothing.
00:30:49.67
Bill
You're like, you're like, where the fuck am I?
00:30:51.84
Mike
Alright.
00:30:54.77
Bill
Yeah, I know. It's just, it's crazy. And there was a, it was a snow warning here the other day for this area in Valpo. And then, but I started to look at it and the same thing, you know, it was, it was east of here, east and north, you know, going into Michigan and stuff like that.
00:31:04.22
Mike
Yep. Yep.
00:31:06.75
Bill
And I think even like Michigan city, which is not that far from here, but same thing.
00:31:09.74
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:31:10.75
Bill
It's like a trace to, it's just the four inches, the six to whatever it was.
00:31:14.91
Mike
Yeah.
00:31:15.05
Bill
And. And I'm like, yeah, fuck it. Fuckin' lake, man.
00:31:17.93
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:31:18.08
Bill
That lake does what it wants to do, so. But, uh, anyhow, anything more on the, on the reading at all, on the porcupine and heat or and anything?
00:31:29.19
Mike
No, I think we're good.
00:31:31.00
Bill
And that was, ah i you know what, honestly, that even forgetting that, whatever it was, two, three minutes before, that was ah that was good, it was appropriate, it was timely.
00:31:39.41
Mike
and instance Yeah, whatever.
00:31:39.76
Bill
Kudos, my friend.
00:31:42.26
Mike
yeah
00:31:43.61
Bill
That was God grant me though, right? Because I don't remember if you said that.
00:31:45.21
Mike
Yes, it was.
00:31:46.18
Bill
That's what I thought.
00:31:46.19
Mike
Yeah.
00:31:47.02
Bill
I can usually tell by this structure either way when you're when you're reading them, but well, that's cool.
00:31:48.94
Mike
Right.
00:31:51.45
Bill
Well good, and and yes, as as you said, we are definitely in the in slip season with the 24 hour book.
00:31:58.84
Mike
listen
00:31:59.37
Bill
Every fucking, some of the stuff I'm looking at, I'm like, ah irritating, irritating, a little nugget, irritating, irritating, irritating.
00:32:05.00
Mike
Right.
00:32:06.99
Bill
but uh yeah i don't know it is if you if you take a fucking drink it's a goddamn relapse you know so that that is what it is but uh well so since i know you hate stats um why don't we why don't we take just a few minutes and go over this whole uh spotify rap thing again
00:32:12.02
Mike
Yep. Exactly.
00:32:18.21
Mike
a All right.
00:32:23.41
Bill
Interesting ah if nothing else, okay. So um obviously every year they do it, no individuals, but also for podcasts. And I don't know, it's it's fun sometimes looking at it, but um I didn't write down what it was, but I think it was like 70, it might even be 70% of who our active listeners are right now are new to us this year.
00:32:47.36
Bill
which is weird because I mean, our once again, and I've talked about it, are the the number of plays and things like that has dropped in the last year.
00:32:54.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:32:55.02
Bill
So we must have gotten, I don't know, kind of a mix, lost some, gained some, but whatever it is.
00:32:59.15
Mike
Sure.
00:33:00.26
Bill
but dumb So I thought that was interesting. Now the age groups, 45 to 54 has usually been the higher percentage for us for a long time.
00:33:09.78
Mike
Right.
00:33:10.06
Bill
This year, 35 to 44, the age range is 34% of our listener base. And 45 to 54 is 27%.
00:33:22.22
Bill
I didn't write down the 20, whatever it is, the 25 to 34, but I think that's probably 10%, whatever.
00:33:29.04
Mike
Huh?
00:33:29.63
Bill
So I think we've probably, I mean, almost, it's damn close to half of our listener base, I think, is in that 25 to 44, which kind of blows my mind, you know?
00:33:38.06
Mike
Yeah.
00:33:38.95
Bill
um but But interesting if nothing else. Percentage wise, there are, ah let me take a look here, probably 40% of the people who listen to us were in their top 10 of podcasts that they listened to.
00:33:55.37
Mike
Nice.
00:33:56.93
Bill
30% I would say. 30% were in their top five. And I'd say probably 10% of the people of our of our base listener, I'm going off of what I what i know, I think our lists are active listener base is on Spotify.
00:34:13.52
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:34:14.11
Bill
So I think probably at 10, 12%, we're their number one podcast, which I thought was kind of fun.
00:34:19.26
Mike
Nice.
00:34:20.77
Bill
Now here's the other thing that I'll kind of gloss over the rating here we're still rated at four point seven because again I might have been just one person that fucked us up two years ago which still it gave us a bad for review but anyhow we're up we're a four point seven so we're certainly not perfect but um They give you, they kind of go by like, okay, what what do other people listen to?
00:34:42.52
Bill
Where we're kind of amusing, this and that, those sort of things, which again, whatever it is, it's not a big deal.
00:34:47.07
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:34:47.23
Bill
But they say that um out of the people who are your listeners, what else are they listening to as far as podcasts? Okay, so they give you the top five.
00:34:55.14
Mike
Right.
00:34:56.89
Bill
And one is the, remember when we did that that late night meeting that one time, that nine to 10 o'clock meeting that one night? ah with that dopey, that dopey podcast.
00:35:03.31
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:05.54
Bill
um So that's one that's like the, out of the top five of what other people listen to and listen to us, that's number two.
00:35:12.16
Mike
Cool.
00:35:13.34
Bill
A couple of other podcasts, I think three other podcasts that there round out that top five. But the number one podcast that people who listen to us also listen to, Joe Rogan.
00:35:29.83
Bill
And I'm like, really?
00:35:31.82
Mike
o
00:35:32.14
Bill
So I've never, um I mean, I know Joe Rogan back from the Fear Factor days and watch some of his stand up and he's a, he's a freaking freak, you know? um I've heard things about his podcast, but I've never listened to it.
00:35:42.92
Mike
I never have either.
00:35:44.24
Bill
But, um, you know, I've heard some things, some people, some people it's almost like a cult following that he has my understanding. Other people are like, this, he's such a, he's a fucking major dick.
00:35:50.42
Mike
Right?
00:35:53.91
Bill
Um, I don't know where he falls politically, not that that matters.
00:35:53.94
Mike
Yeah.
00:35:57.74
Bill
Um, Oh, is he?
00:35:57.99
Mike
Definitely towards the right, but yeah, yeah.
00:35:59.92
Bill
Okay. And that's, that's, so I couldn't, I couldn't remember. So, okay. So that.
00:36:02.41
Mike
Well, he had Trump on for like three hours right before the election.
00:36:05.78
Bill
Oh, shit, that's right, that's right. Okay, I gotcha. And i couldn't I couldn't remember that.
00:36:10.39
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:36:10.86
Bill
I couldn't remember that. So many of the, you know, again, the Hollywood folk are on the other side. So I just didn't, I didn't remember that.
00:36:15.08
Mike
Right.
00:36:16.08
Bill
But um so I'm like, okay, he is, I mean, he's the number one podcast out there.
00:36:16.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:36:20.89
Mike
Oh yeah, right.
00:36:21.72
Bill
You know, I mean, the number one podcast. So,
00:36:23.79
Mike
I mean, yeah, that's what I was going to say. I mean, just by his numbers, you know, yeah, something's going to line up with us and him. And yeah, right. Which makes sense.
00:36:33.07
Bill
right.
00:36:33.71
Mike
Right.
00:36:34.62
Bill
Yeah, it's just it it kind of blew my mind because I'm like, first of all, I'm like, i fucking Joe Rogan? Do I want to be lumped in the same bed as fucking Joe Rogan? But then I'm like, he's the fucking number one podcast.
00:36:43.46
Mike
right
00:36:45.52
Bill
And then I'm like, yeah, but he's a dick.
00:36:45.85
Mike
is Yeah, yeah have right.
00:36:47.70
Bill
But I'm like, yeah, but so are we. And then I'm like, um you know the um so and the more I'm digging into this, peeling back the layers, as they say, the more it makes sense.
00:36:56.70
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:36:58.55
Bill
I'm like, okay, yeah, we're we're fucking opinionated. we We're a little bit of a we freaks a little bit.
00:37:03.19
Mike
Right.
00:37:03.29
Bill
We're kind of dicks every once in a while.
00:37:04.81
Mike
Yeah.
00:37:05.78
Bill
We'll just fucking say whatever, which, I mean, all these things that I've heard about Jill Rogan and I'm like, oh okay, whatever.
00:37:07.50
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:37:11.16
Mike
Right. Yep.
00:37:13.53
Bill
But um yeah, that was that was about it. That was the that was kind of the mind blowing thing to me, the Joe Rogan thing. Other than that, everything else was kind of, I don't know, kind of what I call status quo, if nothing else.
00:37:19.26
Mike
Hmm. Sure.
00:37:24.77
Bill
But um so on my personal one, last year, which again, didn't surprise me because you and I went to the Foo Fighter concert in 23, which was obviously last year.
00:37:31.97
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:37:34.48
Bill
um So I mean, I know what that's when the new album came out and stuff like that.
00:37:34.54
Mike
Right.
00:37:38.01
Bill
I listened to a lot of Foo Fighters. So that was like my number one artist in 23.
00:37:41.94
Mike
Right.
00:37:42.17
Bill
um And I knew I had a pretty good idea what my number one was going to be this year. and I just thought about about halfway through, it was a black crows.
00:37:49.55
Mike
Yeah, right. I could have guessed that.
00:37:50.71
Bill
And yeah, same thing, you know, that their new album came out and I started listening to them.
00:37:54.91
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:37:55.02
Bill
And then I just really got back into their music and it's just good, feel good driving around in the warm weather type of music.
00:37:58.77
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:38:03.07
Bill
I mean, it just got, it has that vibe to it if you want to put it that way.
00:38:03.57
Mike
Right.
00:38:06.69
Bill
um But then the other thing, you know, they stay they talk about like, again, what what my number one, I was, oh, you listen to a lot of podcasts.
00:38:06.92
Mike
Nope.
00:38:13.91
Bill
What's your number one? Guess who my number one podcast is?
00:38:17.46
Mike
Sober, not mature.
00:38:18.97
Bill
Hello, because I mean, i've I'm sure they base it by you know how many episodes you've listened to. i've i've never I've never not listened to one, so that's number one.
00:38:24.84
Mike
Right. Right.
00:38:28.42
Bill
But then guess who my number two is. I think you'll guess this one.
00:38:32.24
Mike
Um, uh, Marin.
00:38:34.02
Bill
that's That's my number two, which again, um I've listened to him more in the last year than I have in previous years.
00:38:35.23
Mike
Okay.
00:38:41.95
Bill
you know I don't know why, probably just again, more driving and stuff like that.
00:38:42.44
Mike
Right.
00:38:44.79
Mike
Sure.
00:38:45.17
Bill
um I can't remember the other ones that are on there that maybe a couple other silver podcasts. I can't remember. but the um they went through again a get couple other types of music Foo Fighters are still in her blah blah blah but then i think it was like i don't know 19 or 20 000 hours of podcasts i listened to it was just fucking insane but again all the hours of driving i'm doing i don't listen to as much music trying to take in some information right
00:39:03.81
Mike
Right.
00:39:07.26
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.
00:39:07.86
Bill
um But what was funny was they're like, they're like your biggest day of the year listening to Spotify. You listen to whatever it was, it was like seven or 800 minutes, you know? Which whatever that turned out to be, it was like, ah and I was listening to this thing, they do this wrapped and they rap thing and they play you know all your songs from the year type of thing. um The guy's like, oh, we're gonna go back to January 25th when you listened to it for almost 13 hours. And I'm like, that's that's when I drove to Myrtle Beach.
00:39:37.02
Mike
Right.
00:39:39.14
Bill
So yeah, and in one fucking day, I listened to, I listened to just, well, of course I just had it on, you know, God knows it was either there and back.
00:39:44.84
Mike
Right. Yeah.
00:39:46.92
Bill
I don't know, whatever it was, but I'm like, that's a fucking, it's 30 hours. But again, it was there was a 15 hour drive, you know, so.
00:39:54.42
Mike
Yeah.
00:39:54.99
Bill
But to I don't know some of this stuff is just it's just kind of funny to me But um, yeah, other than that nothing really out of the ordinary on on my stuff I mean that the black rose I guess I could have I could have picked that one out and obviously you could have also But um, yeah, I don't know.
00:40:00.51
Mike
Mm-hmm. I did.
00:40:08.53
Bill
I mean I i like Spotify listen to probably more podcasts on there now that I do You know music but um, yeah, I don't know it is what it is, right?
00:40:14.30
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah, you know, I mean, I, you know, um I listen to Marin and um us and well, I don't listen to us, but I put it down as is a play.
00:40:28.33
Bill
Right.
00:40:28.67
Mike
Um, he and, uh, yeah, that's, that's about it on Spotify. I, and I, like I said, I don't listen to music. I don't listen to any music streaming anywhere.
00:40:40.32
Bill
Right.
00:40:40.40
Mike
You know, I'm going to listen to some tunes. I'm putting a CD in and then, uh, yes, you know, put a record on.
00:40:47.07
Bill
Right.
00:40:47.07
Mike
That is a large piece of plastic. It is a 12 inch circular piece of plastic. yeah
00:40:53.05
Bill
Yeah, and you know, these days, I mean, well, you know, I mean, vinyl, vinyl made a comeback. And I mean, there's there's kids out there that go fucking crazy.
00:40:56.92
Mike
Right.
00:40:59.25
Bill
I know i know for a fucking fact, because I've heard it, they have news stories about it. You know, where, I mean, a lot of these new artists are putting out, they're putting out vinyl because, you know, kids want it from the, you know, I don't know, collector's items, having their hands on something or whatever.
00:41:06.90
Mike
Yeah.
00:41:10.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:41:13.23
Bill
um But yeah, I mean, I, I i don't know, if I got back in, I don't have,
00:41:16.47
Mike
And I'll ball for it.
00:41:17.96
Bill
Yeah, I mean, it's I I enjoy and that's ah the times that we you and I went into. Where do we go in the record store that one time when we spent was that Milwaukee?
00:41:24.58
Mike
That was, that was in Milwaukee. Yeah.
00:41:27.38
Bill
Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, the one. Yeah, it was a big record store down in West Dallas that we went to.
00:41:30.38
Mike
Yeah.
00:41:31.78
Bill
We were in there for what? Fucking hour and a half. I think, you know, and it was fucking wonderful.
00:41:33.90
Mike
yeah
00:41:36.27
Bill
I mean, it's great.
00:41:36.82
Mike
Yeah.
00:41:37.44
Bill
You know, it's absolutely fucking wonderful.
00:41:39.45
Mike
I walked out with some stuff.
00:41:39.75
Bill
Just. Yeah, I did, too. I don't remember even what I bought, but it's literally it's like just, I don't know, looking through a goddamn treasure chest, you know.
00:41:47.42
Mike
Right. I mean, well, Jesus, when I was in high school, I mean, you know, I had spent, you know, probably five, six hours a week in record stores.
00:41:56.71
Bill
Really.
00:41:56.77
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Flipping through and doing and looking and yeah, I was all into that shit.
00:42:04.20
Bill
Right.
00:42:04.58
Mike
Yep.
00:42:06.14
Bill
Oh yeah, one last thing, and it just reminded me when you said that you you listen, quote unquote, to our podcast just to get a play.
00:42:12.84
Mike
Right.
00:42:12.89
Bill
um On Spotify, they they started getting out some new like statistics in the app.
00:42:17.06
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:42:17.69
Bill
And it tells us the difference. Like if we had, I don't know, let's say if we had a count of 50, for instance, it'll actually break it down, you know, 23 of those or 27 of those were complete plays where other ones were just partial.
00:42:31.18
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:42:33.24
Bill
um But percentage wise, on average, 75 to 80% of the people who listen to us are actually listening to, they it's considered a stream versus just a pop-in, which I thought was interesting.
00:42:45.41
Mike
Right.
00:42:46.81
Bill
So again, smaller, we have a smaller audience, but I think based on what I'm what i'm seeing, and I don't know for sure, if you gotta listen to 75% to be a stream, I don't know, I didn't look into it that much, because
00:42:57.72
Mike
Hmm.
00:42:58.73
Bill
I don't fucking care. um You know, but it's just, I'm like, okay, well that that makes a little bit more sense.
00:43:00.37
Mike
Right.
00:43:03.48
Bill
I guess I'd rather have, we talk about that, you know, quality versus versus quantity, you know?
00:43:07.95
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.
00:43:09.11
Bill
I mean, do we wanna, I wouldn't mind having 1,000 people that listen to us, but um you know, if you get, I don't know, X number of people, small number of people, but 80% of them are actually really taking in the content, well fuck, that's a win, that's a fucking win, you know?
00:43:20.66
Mike
Right. Absolutely.
00:43:23.35
Bill
So, you know what, we're winners today.
00:43:27.05
Mike
Winning.
00:43:29.33
Bill
winning, Charlie Sheen, yeah speaking of speaking of drugs.
00:43:32.00
Mike
Yep. Yes.
00:43:36.10
Bill
All right, so on that note, what do you think?
00:43:37.72
Mike
Uh huh.
00:43:37.74
Bill
Should we yeah should we take a drug break? I mean, ah just a break? but
00:43:43.36
Mike
Just a break today.
00:43:44.56
Bill
Just a break.
00:43:45.96
Mike
All right. Well, we'll be back with some ah paraphernalia right after these words from our sponsor.
00:44:00.75
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back. And you know what? That was a fucking good segue to a couple of my stories you want to do.
00:44:07.08
Mike
Hey.
00:44:07.42
Bill
ah Well, you want to do one news story? I will do one. OK, for now, the other ones I'll save.
00:44:10.19
Mike
All right. Yep.
00:44:11.68
Bill
I'll save the I'll save the poor and the sin for later.
00:44:12.59
Mike
Okay.
00:44:15.09
Bill
But that's the that's the big teaser.
00:44:15.98
Mike
da
00:44:19.50
Bill
But since you brought up drug here.
00:44:21.15
Mike
Uh-huh, paraphernalia.
00:44:21.37
Bill
Wow. You know what I mean? Paraphat.
00:44:26.06
Bill
Okay, first of all, um does anyone anymore know who Rosie O'Donnell is?
00:44:32.80
Mike
Does Rosie O'Donnell know who Rosie O'Donnell is? That's the question.
00:44:35.69
Bill
Right, ah and she's she' certainly not as relevant. I think she might be relevant now just because of this news story recent, but um I mean, yeah Rosie O'Donnell is Rosie O'Donnell.
00:44:41.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:44:45.10
Bill
If you don't know, she is, fuck it, look her up. um But did you know she had a daughter?
00:44:50.91
Mike
ah Yeah, I think so. I think she, yeah, she adopted somebody or something. Right.
00:44:55.13
Bill
Yeah, her and her partner over the years and it, I don't know, maybe but she may have more than one.
00:44:57.02
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:44:59.46
Bill
This is the, I don't know if this is her youngest or her oldest, okay? But the reason, here's what caught caught my ear to begin with, okay?
00:45:07.10
Mike
All right.
00:45:07.49
Bill
So her daughter, Chelsea, which um I don't know if it says her age in here, if it does, I'll i'll get to it. but November 18th she was arrested first of all they said again which we'll get to in a minute but they're reading this story on the morning show and the the guys like he goes yeah he goes she got she was arrested in he goes Naegara where's Naegara Wisconsin so that's where I stayed
00:45:16.48
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:45:32.17
Mike
Okay.
00:45:32.70
Bill
when I was in northern Wisconsin.
00:45:34.38
Mike
Yeah.
00:45:34.45
Bill
Now, it's pronounced Niagara, but it's spelled with an A-R-A, not just like setting like Niagara Falls, it's Niagara, Wisconsin.
00:45:39.38
Mike
Okay. okay
00:45:43.07
Bill
So they're sitting there looking it up and they're like, God, I've never heard of that. I've driven through it. I can see where it is, blah, blah, blah. But so I don't know if her daughter fucking lives in Wisconsin, but on November 18th in Niagara, Wisconsin,
00:45:55.14
Bill
ah She was arrested on two felony counts of possession of methamphetamine, a felony count to possession of narcotic drugs, and two felony counts on bail jumping. um Third arrest in three months, drug related crimes, blah, blah, blah.
00:46:07.91
Bill
Oh, and also faces misdemeanor charges of resisting an officer and possession of drug paraphernalia. When the, yeah.
00:46:16.05
Mike
Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't just, you know, you gotta to have stuff to do it with.
00:46:20.56
Bill
Well, and then it says after what the the officer, after inspection, the officer and a canine dog found a clear smoking device, tested positive for the methamphetamine residue, blah, blah, blah.
00:46:28.28
Mike
Uh huh.
00:46:31.55
Bill
But what happened was, so, and I told you about this town. This town is literally, you talk about these fucking one horse towns. This is like a fucking half horse town, okay?
00:46:38.42
Mike
Right.
00:46:40.68
Mike
see Right.
00:46:41.15
Bill
um There isn't even enough room for a fucking full horse. It's small. And, but I did tell you that there's fucking, there's cops everywhere, you know, yeah they must have 20 cops in this little small fucking town.
00:46:51.01
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:46:52.32
Bill
And it's, and it's beautiful. And it's fucking quiet.
00:46:53.85
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:46:54.80
Bill
And it's along the river and all that stuff. So she got pulled over as I was reading them. Look at the fuck that she got. pull over for and it says the officer noticed the car she and another passenger were traveling in had a loud exhaust.
00:47:04.39
Mike
Hmm.
00:47:07.76
Bill
So she's driving through this little small fucking quaint little little Wisconsin town. but love
00:47:15.50
Bill
Yeah, I'm like, why is it? I don't know. I laugh at some of this stuff, but all these fucking people that are that are up to no good.
00:47:22.31
Mike
Mm-hmm Sure Right
00:47:22.36
Bill
um get The loudest fucking car on the block going through the smallest little town in Wisconsin. But um yeah, anyhow, I mean, it's ah I laugh only because i I'm like, I fucking know that place.
00:47:34.79
Bill
But um anyhow i mean yeah it sounds like she is one of us not on the healing end of one of us but um yeah i guess she's had some i didn't read through the whole through the whole article but um just the as i scanned it um yeah rosie o' donnell has a daughter and she's uh she has some fucking troubles but uh
00:47:51.67
Mike
And she's been awake for a while.
00:47:54.72
Bill
Yeah, but she had, oh, is so separate oh she was charged, oh, she's 20, oh, she's 27.
00:48:02.00
Mike
Uh-huh.
00:48:02.66
Bill
27-year-old mother of four was arrested for the first time on September 10th, charged with four felony counts of maintaining a drug trafficking place.
00:48:05.57
Mike
Jesus.
00:48:10.96
Bill
Ooh, child neglect and possession of methamphetamine and THC.
00:48:13.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.
00:48:15.52
Bill
she was arrested again I thought in October or something like that literally it was like it was like three times within a short amount of time and she was out on bail so they got her I think they hit her on bail jumping on this thing too but um yeah she's just ah but we in this in this business call that a jackpot
00:48:26.66
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:48:33.44
Mike
Yeah, that's what that is. All right.
00:48:36.38
Bill
She said a fucking world of hurt, but yeah, apparently she's still, I don't know if they have her at the, they said Marinette County, which I think is, I think that's that county.
00:48:38.46
Mike
Yeah.
00:48:43.99
Bill
The last, whatever that article came out, um she was still in jail.
00:48:48.50
Mike
Huh?
00:48:48.52
Bill
So, you know, they, I'm waiting, whatever. So, but um yeah, who knows?
00:48:51.50
Mike
Right.
00:48:53.01
Bill
I guess ah we'll, we'll save her a seat or hopefully she finds her way.
00:48:55.18
Mike
We will.
00:48:55.77
Bill
And I wasn't laughing at her plight.
00:48:56.22
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:48:57.71
Bill
It just the, you know, cause I mean, we know, we know plenty of fucking people.
00:48:58.11
Mike
No, of course not.
00:49:01.94
Bill
If anything, it was, it was nervous laughter.
00:49:02.04
Mike
Yeah.
00:49:04.26
Bill
Let's put it that way, right?
00:49:05.23
Mike
Right.
00:49:06.65
Bill
But dumb yeah, I mean, the you know I talk about the i don't know it' a loud muffler and stuff like that. I got pulled over one time when Kimmy's mom and I split up. We had ah we had a car that um Pam got. She got rear-ended in this car. And it didn't fuck it up completely. But what ended up happening, it pushed the exhaust in a little bit and separated it from the manifold and the engine.
00:49:27.26
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:49:27.56
Bill
um So it, over time, it loosened up a little bit more and that car was fucking loud.
00:49:31.71
Mike
Right.
00:49:31.82
Bill
And I did, I got, when we lived in Heartland after we split up, I was driving back into, I think pickup, probably pickup Kimmy for the weekend or something like that. Or men oh maybe it wasn't, it doesn't matter.
00:49:42.19
Bill
But I get, I got pulled over and I think my complaints were expired at the time.
00:49:43.46
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:49:46.33
Bill
So, you know, now that I said that, why did people, you know, people up to no good, I, it was me, it was me, so.
00:49:46.42
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:49:49.98
Mike
Well, exactly.
00:49:53.47
Bill
um I take back everything I just said you know I understand exactly where she's coming from because yeah it is what it is right but um yeah just I don't know what a fucked up situation but I don't know it's a place that I right it's a place that that I had been which again kind of blew my mind so
00:49:57.48
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:50:03.24
Mike
Yep, does not matter.
00:50:11.47
Bill
All right, this is from a day at a time. All too often unwittingly, even unconsciously, we set standards for others in the program. Agree or disagree?
00:50:25.42
Mike
We set standards for others in the program.
00:50:28.89
Bill
Yeah, all too
00:50:29.15
Mike
I set standards for others outside of the program. Um, not, uh, not so much in the program. I mean, uh, other than, you know, the standards I've set for myself that, you know, we're shown to us, um,
00:50:41.08
Bill
Right.
00:50:44.78
Mike
Yeah, not really. I mean, that's, you know, trying to tell somebody how to run their program. And that's definitely not something I do.
00:50:51.22
Bill
Right.
00:50:53.99
Mike
No, I mean, the the standards are the standards. I don't set them. You know, if I set them, they'd be all fucked up. um
00:51:04.55
Mike
Right. You know, that whole. eye headge My life is unmanageable, right? I need some other standards I needed and still do need other standards.
00:51:15.40
Mike
I need the standards.
00:51:17.51
Bill
Right.
00:51:17.77
Mike
Um, yeah. So I know I don't set any standards for fucking anybody, including myself.
00:51:26.26
Bill
um And I was just, so when i when I wrote that down and again, God knows what I did, you know, and thinking about it now, I don't know if I was thinking about it from the like the judgmental standpoint, because we talked about that a little bit, which, you know, again, we we talked about it's nothing wrong with judging people.
00:51:36.50
Mike
Sure. sure
00:51:40.85
Bill
I mean, there is a, you just said it, there's standards that are put in place for us, you know, especially in in a program such as Alcoholics Anonymous, but I think even in just whatever, if you're a recovering individual, a way that you should act and try to be a decent human being, you know,
00:51:43.66
Mike
Hmm. All right. Yeah, well, yeah, society.
00:51:55.58
Bill
yeah and and and of course And of course society. But um yeah, I just say, when I when i was thinking about that, i'm just I guess the only thing would be if somebody is being disrupted. But then again, that kind of goes back to what you said.
00:52:06.13
Mike
Sure.
00:52:07.18
Bill
you know People are are going out so outside of what a meeting standards are. But then again, society standards, you know out there fucking things up or fucking people up, then yeah, that's the time we say something, right?
00:52:12.79
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Right.
00:52:20.57
Bill
Yeah.
00:52:20.91
Mike
Yeah. dave Again. Yeah. There are standards and I did not set them.
00:52:28.16
Bill
and And that's ah it's a goddamn good thing, right?
00:52:30.78
Mike
Yeah. who Fucking smoking meth in Wisconsin.
00:52:36.29
Bill
Right, with a loud exhaust.
00:52:38.42
Mike
Yeah. Damn right.
00:52:38.75
Bill
um So another one that I wrote that down, this is right right kind of in the same area. The statement, I remember wanting what I currently have, okay?
00:52:49.21
Bill
You know, you hear that a lot, people say that, oh, I remember back when I wanted what I currently have.
00:52:49.41
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.
00:52:53.21
Mike
Right.
00:52:53.54
Bill
Did you ever have any thoughts of what you wanted um like before?
00:52:56.85
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:52:58.39
Bill
Like when you first got sober, did you have these grandiose ideas or any ideas, even if they weren't grandiose, ah you know, this would be, um and again, we've talked about it a little bit, but I don't know, things that you said, this would be what I want, this is where I want to be, that sort of thing.
00:53:12.44
Mike
Right.
00:53:13.77
Bill
if Not even an ending point, but you know what I mean.
00:53:14.03
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:53:16.64
Mike
Sure. Right. Oh yeah, of course. I mean, um, I'm shit. I remember Marty, like, you know, giving us or telling us, you know, Hey man, you know, all all this stuff, just to that point, all that stuff that you think you, you want, and it's gonna, you know, where you're going to be in a year and all that stuff. You're going to be so far past all of that. You're going to have so much more than you can even imagine. And I was like, yeah, sure. Whatever.
00:53:42.56
Mike
Um, you know, and, and it's absolutely true. Yeah. I mean, no, I, I didn't, I didn't expect to, you know, uh, be working for, you know, in the same job for the last seven years.
00:53:55.66
Mike
I didn't expect to own a home. I didn't expect any of this shit and, you know, being in a relationship for eight years. Um, you know, yeah, I mean, there's that, no, you know, beyond my wildest dreams, you know, the shit that I, I think that.
00:54:02.90
Bill
right
00:54:12.57
Mike
I'm going to have and I get so much more and it's great. I'm not complaining. fish
00:54:18.99
Bill
her right you know and that And that is funny because i um even thinking back that when, I don't know, even when you know our heads cleared up a little bit, you know you get that 90 days, you get that you know three, four months, whatever it is.
00:54:28.92
Mike
Right.
00:54:32.02
Bill
And you know maybe by the time we get over to the three quarter house and and that sort of thing. But even at that point, I mean, we've admittedly said we're fucking lazy and we would have stayed at that place probably for, we would have stayed there for what, another six months, another year when we should have left probably six months before then.
00:54:44.74
Mike
Sure.
00:54:47.41
Bill
and And not because it has nothing to do with Marty or the circumstance or anything like that, but um we by it helped us grow getting the fuck out of there.
00:54:52.81
Mike
No.
00:54:58.03
Mike
Right.
00:54:58.04
Bill
you know And um it we it wasn't bad for us. I mean, yeah, we were dealing with some shit. We learned how to ah manage you know people a little bit and you know kind of opened up our eyes to you know what not to do you know in a lot of cases.
00:55:09.30
Mike
Right.
00:55:11.14
Bill
And we had we learned about responsibility in a whole different level or on a whole different level.
00:55:14.82
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
00:55:17.02
Bill
um But I don't remember, I mean, the only thing was is that I had my mindset, obviously, on getting back to Wisconsin, but even with that, I didn't i didn't push it, and it were you know they were tough conversations, and I think I've talked about this on here, but you know Derek, I mean, Derek would, every time you know he'd come out or stuff like that, he's like, when are you gonna move back, and this and that, and you know I'm like, I don't know, I'm working on it, and then but whatever time it was, you know and it was three years and four months before I moved back, but probably ah a year, maybe a year and a half in,
00:55:26.72
Mike
Right. Right. Right.
00:55:47.14
Bill
I think he and I sat down and I said you know what I said here's what I what I figured out you know I said I could I could come back I can move back tomorrow you know or next week and and he's got these you know buys get big and I said but here's the thing I said I'd end up you know taking a job that I probably really didn't want
00:55:55.63
Mike
Right.
00:56:05.55
Bill
But I would just take a job to just to have a job. And he's like, OK. Then I said, I'd probably you know move into a place that either I was unhappy with or that I couldn't afford. That would cause stress. And then I said, the what would happen there is I said, if I'm in a job that I don't like and I get stressed here and I'm trying to pay bills, I said the unfortunate part is I said, that's going to come out on ah people in my life. And that includes to you.
00:56:29.36
Mike
Right.
00:56:30.26
Bill
You know, and I said, I don't want to do that. I said, nothing's ever going to be perfect. But I said, I want to make sure that that I can I can stand comfortably on my two feet so that, you know, basically i told him.
00:56:42.10
Bill
So I said, so you and I are good. Now I'm good for everyone else. I said, I'm no good to anyone around me if I can't be good with myself. You know, that whatever was those exact words, that was the mindset of it, you know.
00:56:48.57
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Sure.
00:56:52.43
Bill
and And I did, I mean, out of as impatient as I can fucking be.
00:56:56.71
Mike
see
00:56:58.19
Bill
You know, i let that I let that sit, you know? and And even I remember, I remember talking to Joe, I talked to you obviously about it first, you know, explaining that, okay, here's, you know, I'm getting paid this over here, you know, in my job in Ohio.
00:57:12.00
Mike
Right.
00:57:12.02
Bill
um it's I'm gonna get this much more over here, but like my rent down is way down here because Mike and I are living together.
00:57:19.05
Mike
Right.
00:57:19.21
Bill
then now i'm gonna pay full fucking rent even though it was cheaper it was twice as much as what i was gonna pay you know and i'm like i'm not making twice as much but this that and the other thing and i told i told joe i remember sitting down with them all the fucking shit down on paper i've talked to everyone everything all this shit and i said uh i said i just i i basically told Joe I'm like I don't know what I should do and he said so basically what you're what you're doing is you're you're concerned about just just making a lateral move and I said he said can you will you be able to afford to pay your bills and this and that blah blah blah and I said yes got all done on paper and then and I said beyond that I'm like I can't I can't find a reason not to do it and he said then stop looking
00:57:47.35
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:57:59.01
Mike
Right.
00:58:04.22
Bill
And for everyone out there, that is our sponsor, Joe, and he's ah he's a fucking miracle worker.
00:58:08.49
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:58:09.27
Bill
Not really, he just he was able to see the the obvious that I couldn't see.
00:58:11.71
Mike
Yeah.
00:58:13.72
Bill
you know I was...
00:58:13.84
Mike
Right. Which is kind of the point.
00:58:16.33
Bill
Right,
00:58:16.83
Mike
of having a sponsor. yeah Right.
00:58:19.59
Bill
yeah, I was sitting there. Literally, I was trying to find you know the reason why I shouldn't do it, but you know what? That is a skill that I don't I don't regret having that mindset about things, because I do I try to exhaust all of these things and make sure that that there's not something hiding, you know, um I try to uncover it where I used to be just like you know before I quit drinking and stuff like that I'm just like, yeah Fuck it, it'll work out.
00:58:30.66
Mike
Right.
00:58:38.12
Mike
right
00:58:44.14
Mike
Yeah. It'll happen. Yeah, exactly.
00:58:48.18
Bill
And you know what, I mean, we we talk about it on here.
00:58:50.23
Mike
Mm hmm.
00:58:50.75
Bill
It's part of the program. You don't live for today. Things will work itself out, you know, get out of your own way.
00:58:54.65
Mike
Right.
00:58:55.70
Bill
Yeah, that to a certain extent, but you can't just be, you know, fucking walking willy fucking nilly through life and going, fucking man, it'll work out.
00:59:02.92
Mike
Right.
00:59:04.65
Bill
You know, will, but you gotta do the work.
00:59:06.09
Mike
it Yeah, exactly.
00:59:11.08
Bill
But i I can't go out tomorrow and buy a fucking Ferrari and figure out, you know, hey, it'll work out. I'll be able to figure out how to pay for it.
00:59:16.61
Mike
Right.
00:59:18.18
Bill
It's probably not going to happen. Probably not going to happen.
00:59:19.43
Mike
No.
00:59:20.14
Bill
But all right. So that that i thought was i know that I thought was kind of an a interesting one. so um all right So when do you think you made the transition between trying to just stay sober um to actually working towards living sober?
00:59:41.54
Bill
Here's the thinking one.
00:59:44.49
Mike
When did I make that trans? I mean, um, I dunno, it's, it's been a while. Um, just trying to stay sober. I dunno. I mean, I've kind of talked about it on here that, you know, by the time I got to the Keating center, um, after, you know, going through detox and whatever, I was kind of done, you know? I mean, I knew that in my heart. I wasn't.
01:00:10.29
Mike
you know, yes, I missed it. and Yes. I didn't know how the hell I was going to live without it, but I also knew that I couldn't live with it anymore. And it just wasn't, it wasn't, hadn't been a feasible lifestyle in quite some time. Uh, so, um, yeah, just trying to stay sober. I mean, um,
01:00:37.11
Mike
I, at that point, I wasn't really white knuckling. God knows I had before in the past, plenty of times, um, you know, just trying to get through the day without, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't like that this time. It was, it was like, okay.
01:00:53.45
Mike
Like I said, you know, I didn't know how the fuck I was going to live my life without it, but I knew that I had to.
01:00:58.93
Bill
Right.
01:00:59.11
Mike
Um, and so it wasn't, it wasn't so much trying to stay sober. It was kind of learning to live sober kind of from the get go for me. So I don't know that there really was a transition like that for me.
01:01:14.26
Mike
I don't know how about, I mean, how about you?
01:01:14.27
Bill
Right.
01:01:16.06
Mike
Cause I mean, you know, God knows you came in with a very different mindset than I did.
01:01:21.27
Bill
I sure as fuck did.
01:01:23.02
Mike
hey
01:01:23.97
Bill
And just to remind everyone, or if you're one of our, you know, 72% of our new listeners that hasn't heard this before. um Yeah, i I did not.
01:01:31.75
Mike
Right. Right.
01:01:32.00
Bill
I mean, yeah, granted I needed to, and you know, I was taken there and I joke about that sort of thing. but um I wasn't taken against my will like that tied up and dropped off in a in a fucking duffle bag on the And I want to be there, you know, I just I I did it to appease the people, you know my loved ones my mom and my sister and um you know thought that okay, I don't have any place else to go anyhow, so I got to do this, you know and Literally had the mindset that I'm just gonna kick back for a month a couple months if I have to but I I don't know, I don't know what I'm going to do.
01:01:44.45
Mike
you see right
01:01:50.58
Mike
um sir right
01:01:57.03
Mike
Right.
01:02:04.79
Bill
I don't want to, I had no desire to quit drinking and I was fucking mad. I was mad at everything and everybody. um I wasn't, you know, when I say kick back, I wasn't like some fucking laid back like, oh, I'm just going to know, happy go lucky.
01:02:15.93
Mike
Yeah.
01:02:17.81
Bill
No, not even close, man.
01:02:18.86
Mike
Uh-uh.
01:02:19.81
Bill
um yeah in in this yeah this one on the other side of the microphone here ah i mean he you knew me from you know what day four five or whatever the fuck it was um and yeah i just i didn't want to be there but for whatever reason um you know i i did i stayed i shut my mouth and all that sort of thing but um i don't you know that the thing of it is and i remember a couple of a couple of key things
01:02:21.39
Mike
hey
01:02:28.12
Mike
Right, right.
01:02:43.00
Bill
So first of all, when when Derek came out there and again, when we were shut down and you know he and I, I remember walking him back behind the the building and there was benches bit back there behind the Keating Center where people parked their bikes and um or a picnic pad, whatever the fuck it was, picnic table.
01:02:43.47
Mike
Right.
01:02:53.43
Mike
right
01:02:59.13
Bill
but We just sat down and I explained to him what my deal was, you know, because, you know, I mean, I told him I went out there because I was sick and, you know, he he thought I had a health issue, you know, so I eased his mind on that.
01:03:01.85
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:03:08.64
Bill
I'm like, well, I am sick, but it's self-induced, explained it all.
01:03:10.49
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:03:13.61
Bill
But I'm like, I'm like, this is where I'm living. I said, you just got to meet the people that are that are part of my life.
01:03:17.77
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:03:18.84
Bill
I'm like, um all those sort of things and told them what my deal was and what I needed to do and what I hope to do. um So I think that was a key moment in you know beginning to to start to live sober.
01:03:26.24
Mike
Sure.
01:03:28.48
Bill
That just popped into my head right now.
01:03:30.31
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:03:30.63
Bill
um But also, I mean, he got to see that I was okay you know and realize what I was doing.
01:03:34.69
Mike
Right.
01:03:36.85
Bill
Um, but then, you know, starting up that when I, when I got that, that first job, you know, at that, at that collection agency. And I remember my first day and when I had an hour lunch, you know, and just, I went and sat outside, it was September, you know, and I sat out there and I fucking ate lunch.
01:03:50.16
Mike
Right.
01:03:52.11
Bill
And I'm like, this is fucking wonderful. You know? and And I'm like, but but again, that was a sober moment, you know? And just along the way, being there when when Larry died, when ah these the different things, all these different pieces, sometimes fucking slowly, you know, is, is in and that's kind of what I think what you're saying, right?
01:04:07.51
Mike
Right.
01:04:10.30
Bill
Is that there's no real defining moment, but I get key moments, but I don't know that anyone where I'm like, okay, I'm no longer just trying to get sober.
01:04:10.32
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:04:13.02
Mike
No.
01:04:19.10
Bill
I'm now putting her into second gear.
01:04:19.53
Mike
Right. Yeah.
01:04:22.11
Bill
Time to live fucking sober today.
01:04:23.79
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and the way the the way it was phrased, like I said, you know, that was kind of my goal from the get-go, it wasn't trying to hang on and and not drink because I had done that before and that was myth fucking miserable and I didn't want to do that again.
01:04:42.35
Mike
you know I mean, I had that knowledge of, you know yes, I could be dry for a while.
01:04:42.43
Bill
Right.
01:04:47.00
Mike
It fucking sucks, man. I don't want to do that. I want to i want to not i want to be sober and and be fucking happy.
01:04:54.88
Bill
Right.
01:04:54.95
Mike
Yeah, you know, and I had no clue how to fucking do that. But, um, you know, that was, that was kind of my mindset going into this whole thing this time was fuck. All right, man, I can't fucking drink anymore.
01:05:06.75
Mike
I can't get high anymore, but I want to buy, but I want to fucking still enjoy my life somehow. And, um, that was, that was kind of what I was trying to figure her out from the get go.
01:05:14.05
Bill
Right.
01:05:18.96
Mike
Yeah. So. Um, yeah, just staying sober again, putting down the bottle in the bag is not the problem. We've said that a million times. The problem is how do I fucking get through life without having to pick it back up again?
01:05:33.55
Bill
Right. You know, and it it still amazes me and I know we we had talked about this at one point along this this little podcast journey of ours. Both neither one of us really had those, you know, those, um I don't know those desires and you know that that those cravings while we were in the Keating Center at least I don't remember them and I think you said the same thing.
01:05:52.17
Mike
Yeah, right.
01:05:53.53
Bill
which is crazy, but again, we were we were surrounded by this thing. We were were flooded. I mean, overflowing with sobriety shit and people on a daily basis.
01:06:01.33
Mike
Right.
01:06:02.92
Bill
Yeah, some people relapsed and people were you know using while they were in there and drinking while they were in there and all that stuff, but um I mean, 95% of what we were dealing with was just good, positive people, circumstances, and situations, which, I mean, that that's the point.
01:06:05.65
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm. Sure.
01:06:16.53
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:06:19.81
Bill
I mean, I i said it before. i ah Maybe. I don't think so, but maybe I could have stayed sober doing you know fucking IOP and staying in that place in Wisconsin, but I just don't fucking think so.
01:06:28.18
Mike
Right.
01:06:30.95
Mike
Nope.
01:06:31.17
Bill
you know i just say i don't i't There would have been nothing. There would have been no reason for me to change who I was. I needed, imagine that, a fucking geographical you know actually worked for me.
01:06:37.46
Mike
Right.
01:06:41.77
Mike
Uh
01:06:43.87
Bill
geographical in a positive way.
01:06:45.57
Mike
huh.
01:06:47.19
Bill
But um yeah, it still it does it it fucking blows my mind that, you know, when when we were talking about that neither one of us remember remember having, you know, like, ah ever having like weird cravings and anything in there, which is just, I mean, that's it's really good.
01:07:00.73
Bill
It's just fucking mind blowing, you know,
01:07:01.15
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:07:03.87
Bill
crazy mind-blowing, so okay. um I don't remember what this one says, I'm just gonna start to read it and see what comes out. um Step 12, read the step and asked when, oh, hang on one second.
01:07:17.25
Bill
Okay, what i but this was a note to myself, read the step and ask when you feel that you had your spiritual awakening and in what way.
01:07:25.00
Mike
ah
01:07:26.51
Bill
um So, you know, basically the, obviously it says having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, tried to carry the message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs. See, I i had that in parentheses, but I had the step written down. You see how professional this is, boys and girls? I'm like reading, I'm reading, I'm like fucking Joe Biden reading is reading the, you know, the fucking prompter.
01:07:49.81
Bill
Did you remember those things where you just said end sentence, comma, or whatever he read it?
01:07:53.30
Mike
Right.
01:07:54.88
Bill
That's me. I'm, I'm Joe.
01:07:56.03
Mike
I'm Ron Burgundy.
01:07:58.67
Bill
Right. But, uh, so do you, fuck you, San Diego, and go fuck yourself, San Diego.
01:07:59.85
Mike
Who put a question mark on the prep prompter? Right. Um, right.
01:08:07.76
Bill
Um, but I mean, do you, do you know, like when you had ah a spiritual awakening or when you felt that, or was it just, again, kind of a slow process or?
01:08:15.51
Mike
Well, that's slow. Still, you know, it's still fucking working on it, man. and Um, Yeah. that That's, I mean, that is the answer.
01:08:26.39
Mike
Still fucking working on it. I'm not fully awake yet. Um, probably never will be.
01:08:33.59
Bill
Right.
01:08:33.94
Mike
That's okay. But, you know, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. Um, yeah, I know when I had, right. You know, I mean, yes, Bill Wilson's story talks about the white light moment and all that shit and good for him.
01:08:46.37
Bill
Right.
01:08:47.28
Mike
Um, ain't gonna happen to me. Never will. Um, Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So do a slow, slow fucking process, man. Am I more awake than I was 14 years ago?
01:09:00.90
Mike
Bit your ass. I am.
01:09:02.28
Bill
right
01:09:02.50
Mike
Um, but yeah, I'm not fully awake yet. Still, still working on it.
01:09:07.45
Bill
And it's a, and even we've talked to me, even in this, in this timeframe, we figure in the, ah you know, coming up again, it's a, we're only a couple months away, well, two and a half months away from, you know, three years of doing, doing this here little podcast.
01:09:17.06
Mike
Right. right
01:09:19.93
Bill
And, you know, just the, I think the changes that if we really look back and, you know, the changes that you and I have had individually um in our lives and maybe even in, I don't know, in our, in our program itself, how we deal with things, granted we went through, a you know, and came out of a,
01:09:26.90
Mike
Mmhmm.
01:09:35.50
Bill
ah pandemic and stuff like that and things changed with all that and online meetings and in-person meetings and all these different things but um I don't know what just to it is it's a it should be right a constant state of growth yeah or change
01:09:38.84
Mike
Mmhmm.
01:09:47.81
Mike
I would think so. Yeah. You know, Ooh, I'm spiritually awake. La, la, la. Now go skipping down the pathway of life. Um, well, well, I don't think so.
01:09:58.76
Mike
I mean, it's yeah. ah Now I'm fully spiritually awake. I'm I'm fucking shining. No, not at all.
01:10:07.16
Bill
I'm recovered, past tense, all done.
01:10:08.50
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:10:11.89
Mike
Right.
01:10:12.74
Bill
Well, that, no, wait, that happens at 15 years. So April, April of this year, then then we're good.
01:10:15.87
Mike
Ah, okay.
01:10:18.32
Bill
Not this year, April of, yeah, so handful of months from now, then I've heard that, I read that someplace that, when I hit the 15th year,
01:10:18.42
Mike
Oh, okay. Now something to look forward to.
01:10:24.86
Mike
Hmm. Is that official literature?
01:10:29.35
Bill
Yeah, it's on page 165.
01:10:32.10
Mike
Yeah, exactly.
01:10:33.43
Bill
yeah It's in that 13 step area. um But yeah, just ah i I don't even know again, why why some of this shit comes into my mind, but probably just through through some of the readings.
01:10:44.43
Bill
But yeah, I don't even remember, you know, like,
01:10:44.50
Mike
Hmm.
01:10:48.37
Bill
ah coming out of the, you know, doing doing the fourth and it coming out of that fifth fifth step. I mean, i there was there was a feeling there, whatever that feeling was, it wasn't a flash, it wasn't like, oh, I walk out the doors of that fucking church and, you know, and I'm saved or anything like that.
01:10:52.94
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.
01:11:03.39
Bill
But, um you know, there's a difference.
01:11:03.73
Mike
Right.
01:11:05.29
Bill
I mean, that's a huge thing, you know?
01:11:06.84
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:11:08.39
Bill
So I think that might've been the, I don't know, the most epiphany type moment I had or feeling or spiritually awake moment that I had.
01:11:13.76
Mike
All right. Sure. Right.
01:11:17.94
Bill
If I had to put one on paper.
01:11:18.20
Mike
Well, I mean, you know, the, the fifth step, I mean, When I used to do the 12 and 12 meeting, we talked about it when we do the fifth step. I mean, that's the first step that you actually do it with another human being.
01:11:28.88
Mike
And I mean, you know, that's when you, but that's when you become a part of something bigger than yourself, truly.
01:11:29.30
Bill
Right.
01:11:35.88
Mike
Because I mean, the first four steps are, it's all about you, you know, selfless, self-centered, alcoholic assholes that we are. Um, you know, I've thought everybody says, you know, oh the four step is so, you know, now you're still fucking gazing at your own fucking toenails. Um, you know, it's that fifth step when you share it with somebody else and you, you actually invite another human being into your life truly through this process. And yeah, I mean, if you do it properly, um, best of your ability, all that good crap, um,
01:12:09.04
Mike
Yeah, that's, that's definitely, I mean, I felt that too.
01:12:12.12
Bill
Right.
01:12:12.22
Mike
It's when you become a true member of Alcoholics Anonymous, it's when you become part of something bigger than yourself. It's not just you anymore.
01:12:18.39
Bill
Right. Yeah, and I mean, you you said that you know before about the the first time you're doing you know one of these steps with a person. And quite honestly, it's so fucking, again, elementary, I never thought about it until till those fucking words came out of your mouth. Again, probably on here, I'm like, oh yeah, uh.
01:12:35.75
Mike
ah
01:12:38.23
Bill
you know and I because I've heard the old you know part of that's when you know it separates they even say the they say again the men from the boys or the you know the children from adults if you want to make it more correct but you know it's ah it is it's that it's that's you know that's stepping off point into into something bigger um you know I think from that point forward but um yeah just I when you first said that I'm like wow really that is
01:12:44.59
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
01:13:00.03
Bill
yeah
01:13:00.22
Mike
Out.
01:13:01.44
Bill
You know, but I don't know. I just, it, it was a, it was a curiosity thing to me. Cause I, I think when I wrote that down that I was like, I don't know what I became when I first felt awake or even part of, or a start of, I don't fucking know.
01:13:09.06
Mike
yeah Right. Mm hmm.
01:13:14.22
Bill
I didn't even, I didn't have any fucking idea.
01:13:14.42
Mike
Yeah. i Right.
01:13:16.74
Bill
So the one thing though that I did write down from the 24 hour book, and this thing I this thing i always i like, I think this is in one of the first or earlier readings this week.
01:13:28.13
Bill
And again, obviously we all know we're in slip season, but it says it says in idle thought connected with drinking casually pops into our mind.
01:13:29.56
Mike
Uh huh.
01:13:35.78
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:13:36.95
Bill
This is a crucial moment. Will I harbor the thought even for one minute or will I banish it ah from my mind at once? And I mean, once again, I know it's talking about slipping and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:13:47.38
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:13:47.73
Bill
But that's literally what we talk about all the time.
01:13:51.28
Mike
Right.
01:13:51.47
Bill
you know and i And I like that a lot because and the reason i the only reason I wrote it down is because it literally put down in sentences exactly what we talk about.
01:13:58.60
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:14:00.63
Bill
um And the answer is, you know will i will I harbor it? No. Will I banish it? Yes.
01:14:05.65
Mike
Yeah.
01:14:06.85
Bill
And it has to be.
01:14:06.94
Mike
Hmm.
01:14:07.49
Bill
It doesn't have to be at once, but it's got to flow out that other opening.
01:14:11.78
Mike
Right.
01:14:11.89
Bill
Get the fuck out of there, man.
01:14:12.50
Mike
Well, I mean, yeah right. I clearly I read it this week too. And, um, you know, I, I went, I w when I read it, I was like, do I harbor it?
01:14:22.86
Mike
Well, a little bit, a little, cause yeah, right.
01:14:27.33
Bill
Hi there.
01:14:29.25
Mike
It's there. Hmm. Yes. Hmm. Like a drink, a nice cool drinking Manhattan. blah, blah, blah, all that good stuff, it's in the reading. um Right, but then that's when I thankfully have that wonderful tool of playing the tape through.
01:14:44.95
Bill
right
01:14:45.15
Mike
um you know It's not banish the thought instantly. um I don't like that second part. No, I don't banish the thought instantly. What I fucking do is I go, okay, asshole, you know play that tape through.
01:14:58.41
Mike
Okay, take that drink, then what? yeah know hope How's it gonna affect you? How's it gonna affect everybody around you? um and And take that thought and no, don't harbor it.
01:15:08.58
Mike
oh It would be so lovely. It would be wonderful to have a drink. No, fucking think about it, ass. Yeah, that drink.
01:15:15.48
Bill
yeah
01:15:16.92
Mike
What's exactly going to happen if you do that? And I think that, you know so no, I don't banish it. I play it through and then go, well, that's not a very good idea and then it goes away.
01:15:29.43
Bill
you know And that's ah that's a really good point. And yeah, if ah if a thought just came in and you dealt with it like a fucking hot cold, you're like, but I'm not touching that.
01:15:38.35
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:15:39.52
Bill
But yeah, processing that thought, that's ah that's a good that's a good that's a better way to put it because yeah, I don't really want these, well, not even really, I do not want these thoughts to just come aimlessly into my head and be to just fucking bounce them off me.
01:15:41.70
Mike
Yeah.
01:15:51.61
Bill
I'm not dealing with this shit. because I think that's troublesome because then if you really do, again, angry, lonely, hungry, tired, whatever it is, you're in a bad fucking way and that thought comes in and then you don't know how to fuck it, you have no defense, right?
01:15:53.21
Mike
Right.
01:15:58.37
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:16:03.18
Mike
Exactly. Right. Yeah. You know, I, and we've said it on here a million times, we're going to have the fucking thoughts. We do have the fucking thoughts.
01:16:09.04
Bill
Right.
01:16:10.93
Mike
Um, right. Yeah. But no, just saying, Oh, can't think about that and pushing it out. No, no, think about it for a second. Think about it truly for a second and in in proper context.
01:16:23.21
Mike
Yes. It's fucking wonderful. We know how wonderful taking that drink is. We know how wonderful taking that hit is of whatever it is we're taking. taking that shot who goddamn man you mix up some coke and some fucking heroin and you stick it in your arm it's goddamn lovely you know the best description i ever heard of it and it's very true it's like god comes down and kisses you on the forehead absolutely why wouldn't you fucking want to think about that it's wonderful Yes. And then next, but then think of it all the way through. Then you're sitting on a piece of cardboard in an alley off the mission and in San Francisco with a fucking pile of human shit about 10 feet away from you. Lovely. Good times. Yes.
01:17:06.15
Bill
we Where's God with his kiss now?
01:17:09.98
Mike
Right.
01:17:12.15
Bill
But no, I mean, that's ah that's a good point. It's not even the, it's it's the thoughts that I always mentioned that every one of these fucking towns I go into, all these still fucking driving around I'm doing, and I notice every fucking liquor store, every goddamn time I notice every bar every time.
01:17:21.41
Mike
Mm hmm. Of course.
01:17:24.75
Bill
Oh, today I'm going up to get my pizza and you went with me to get pizza here the one time.
01:17:28.02
Mike
Yeah, right.
01:17:28.98
Bill
And you know, went by the the bank where where Kathy works
01:17:31.73
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:17:32.16
Bill
and then right down from there there's a liquor store on the left that's the one where people are buzzing in and out of all the time usually you know it's this fucking friday night man going to get my drink on well this lady was walking across the street like right by where the liquor store was so i mean i obviously slowed down it wasn't i don't it wasn't a data hitter as far as i know
01:17:37.65
Mike
Right.
01:17:41.50
Mike
Yep.
01:17:47.09
Mike
Uh huh.
01:17:50.77
Bill
So I let her pass, but you know, I know she bought, she had a box of bottled wine. It was Franzia. I got close enough to, I wasn't even close to her, but I know what it was.
01:18:00.68
Mike
Right.
01:18:01.10
Bill
And then I did, I looked at what was in the other hand. She had a brown bag. She's got a bottle of something and a box of Franzia wine.
01:18:07.08
Mike
Nice.
01:18:07.25
Bill
Who fucking notice who fucking notices this shit, you know, I know that's my point and that's I I wouldn't even I mean the fact that it didn't even click in my head until I just started talking about it that I Did I knew that they what type of wine it was it didn't it didn't click it didn't register Until I just started thinking about it now, but I took that Oh Franzia wine and I hate fucking wine don't even like it
01:18:07.64
Mike
Good times.
01:18:10.69
Mike
We do.
01:18:15.56
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.
01:18:28.20
Mike
Right. Right. but I went through a little phase with it. You know, I'd take it out of the box and have a space bag of wine.
01:18:36.97
Bill
ah why wouldn't you right
01:18:38.16
Mike
Right.
01:18:38.35
Bill
of course of course you did
01:18:39.58
Mike
Nice, shiny silver bag full of wine.
01:18:43.67
Bill
Yeah, and my mom and Larry used to have their fucking bag of wine all the time, but you know the boxed wine, but you had the bag in there it and yeah at some point, yeah you'd see Larry get down to the end of it, he's got a fucking box open, he's squeezing the last little fucking bits out of it.
01:18:48.62
Mike
Right.
01:18:55.33
Mike
Yep.
01:18:57.89
Bill
ah And again, i don't I don't know that, I don't think, I think Larry was that, he was that he was a problem drinker until he had significant reason not to not to drink anymore and he quit, you know?
01:19:03.79
Mike
Mm hmm. Great.
01:19:09.27
Bill
um I don't think he was one of us, you know, because he was able to do it on his own when something presented itself, which was his health, um you know, he ended up with shingles or whatever the fuck it was.
01:19:11.97
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.
01:19:16.50
Mike
Yep.
01:19:19.07
Bill
And what had so much fucking pain with that. And it was tied, you know, could be tied to drinking.
01:19:23.24
Mike
Yeah.
01:19:23.72
Bill
So he fucking quit, you know, and hi fucking more power to him, you know, because he, he could this wine away that's for God damn sure ah but okay so you want to hear some ah what do you want to hear first you want to hear porn or or sinful stuff let's lead up to it okay so um this is actually pretty oops don't want to go there that's fucking Rosie O'Donnell we already we already talked about her um
01:19:25.13
Mike
Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
01:19:39.53
Mike
fair Well, let's go sinful and then porn. Let's finish it off strong. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:19:56.24
Bill
What are, well, this is an article, again, I probably, yeah I think I just ran across this one, um the most sinful cities in America, okay?
01:20:06.68
Mike
Mmm.
01:20:07.83
Bill
And Wisconsin has two.
01:20:11.52
Bill
And that's, I think this came up, this must've come up on some, oh, this is an I Heart article, that's kind of surprising.
01:20:16.46
Mike
Yeah.
01:20:18.12
Bill
It says, do you live in one of the most sinful cities in the country just because a Destination City may have heard the nickname, blah, blah, blah? I don't even know how they ah they identified it, the sinful part, probably drinking and boozing it up and blah, blah, blah.
01:20:31.16
Bill
but so
01:20:31.38
Mike
I mean, I would think, I mean, the only real way to tell is, you know, the seven deadly ones, right? You know, right.
01:20:37.85
Bill
Yeah, well, Las Vegas continues to rank in first place. I don't think that would be a surprise, but um Milwaukee was number 76, Madison number 178, which I thought that was kind of high for Madison, but yeah, Milwaukee made 76.
01:20:43.27
Mike
Sure. Right. Sure.
01:20:54.31
Bill
So we know the number one is Las Vegas. Pick any any city that you think might be in the top 10 above these sinful cities outside of Las Vegas.
01:20:56.45
Mike
sure
01:21:02.96
Mike
Right, right. I would think New York would be in there.
01:21:06.59
Bill
Um, while surprisingly not in the top 10.
01:21:09.40
Mike
Really? Well, fucking Giuliani cleaned it all up. Thank God I got to live there before he did. um time When Times Square was Times Square, it was all fucking nasty.
01:21:15.45
Bill
Right.
01:21:19.63
Mike
It's not all disnified. Wow.
01:21:23.72
Bill
L a
01:21:26.18
Mike
LA?
01:21:27.72
Bill
is number three.
01:21:28.69
Mike
Okay, good.
01:21:29.64
Bill
Take, take one more shot than, then I'll give you, then I'll give you the list. Pick any other city.
01:21:34.07
Mike
ah Miami.
01:21:35.71
Bill
There's one number eight. I figured, you know, I'm thinking you went you went kind of kind of boozish and Hollywoodish, and then you went straight to the Coke. So I figured you go to, I felt you going to Miami. i really I really did. I swear to God, I did.
01:21:46.07
Mike
Right.
01:21:47.37
Bill
So number 10, St. Louis, ah number nine, Dallas, Miami's eight, Phoenix, which I'm going to Phoenix in a month.
01:21:49.79
Mike
Hmm.
01:21:55.16
Bill
um That is number seven, Denver, number six.
01:21:57.55
Mike
Hmm.
01:21:58.12
Bill
I wonder if it's because of the weed. I don't know, that wouldn't seem, that didn't seem weird.
01:22:00.27
Mike
Hmm. Oh.
01:22:02.59
Bill
Philadelphia Five, Atlanta atlanta Four, LA Three, Houston Two, and of course Las Vegas is number one.
01:22:04.31
Mike
Yeah. Hmm. Hmm.
01:22:12.02
Bill
um I didn't, kind can I click in here? I was gonna see if Cleveland even, all right, let's take a look. This is through another, I'm gonna try to spin through here real quick and see if, oh yeah, Cleveland is, oh shit, Cleveland missed the top 10 by one.
01:22:27.66
Bill
Cleveland is 11.
01:22:28.47
Mike
Number 11, really?
01:22:30.42
Bill
And New York, New York is 12.
01:22:33.56
Mike
Okay. Wow. Cool.
01:22:37.82
Bill
Yeah, and I guess I'm kind of surprised. Milwaukee could be kind of a filthy city too. So to be all the way at 78 kind of surprised me, but okay.
01:22:42.28
Mike
the
01:22:45.68
Bill
But it's ah again, it's a list on the internet. Okay, so that was our,
01:22:48.21
Mike
Right. I mean, is there any, is there any criteria or any, anything in there about how they came to these realizations?
01:22:57.98
Bill
um You know and that's what I was looking for in the opening of the article. I just saw the list Hang on one second. Let me just go back to this wallet hub thing ah what is socoter baby Oh um It says a fill of people Behaving illicitly no place is innocent.
01:23:13.62
Bill
We'll all have flaws and a fly darkest corners of America. Hang on one second Oh, ranges from violent crimes to excessive drinking, number of adult entertainment establishments per capita.
01:23:23.59
Mike
even
01:23:24.97
Bill
um So yeah, it's the main things are violent crimes, excessive drinking, and adult entertainment establishments. So those are the top those are the top three.
01:23:32.54
Mike
All right. Yeah. and yeah
01:23:39.72
Bill
Yeah, I'm like, ah I don't know, it's it it is what it is.
01:23:41.94
Mike
All right. No drugs, no adultery, no fucking obesity.
01:23:42.72
Bill
so
01:23:45.62
Mike
I don't know, man, this list, this doesn't, uh, it doesn't do it for me.
01:23:48.63
Bill
it's it's ah It's a list.
01:23:49.92
Mike
I mean, I'm glad we're number 11, but whatever.
01:23:53.90
Bill
it's a list on It's a list on the internet, so.
01:23:56.15
Mike
Right.
01:23:57.44
Bill
All right, so, oh, come on, please don't have blocked me here. God damn it to this.
01:24:04.95
Bill
Son of a bitch. This is a,
01:24:10.16
Bill
fuck. Did you hear about,
01:24:10.93
Mike
Did the porn site block you?
01:24:12.92
Bill
yeah No, so it actually is not, it's not a porn site.
01:24:16.30
Mike
Nah.
01:24:16.32
Bill
Did you hear about the the movie Wicked um having a link to a porn site?
01:24:21.67
Mike
Oh, yeah.
01:24:22.75
Bill
Okay, you did, okay, okay.
01:24:23.99
Mike
Yeah, yeah.
01:24:24.58
Bill
So the the gist of it was is that, um and i didn't look up the I didn't look up the website I was going to, just not a grin, so maybe I will.
01:24:31.35
Mike
Well, no, man, it's, it's real easy. Um, it was on, uh, I think it was dolls. Um, I know it was a toy, right.
01:24:37.63
Bill
Yeah, right.
01:24:38.86
Mike
They came out with, yeah. And they put on the packaging wicked.com.
01:24:43.12
Bill
Right.
01:24:43.23
Mike
Well, right. Wicked was a ah porn studio in like the nineties and the 2000s big one.
01:24:48.64
Bill
Oh, was it?
01:24:49.47
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.
01:24:49.84
Bill
Oh, see, I didn't know that, okay.
01:24:50.94
Mike
Oh yeah. It was, it was a ah movie studio porn movie studio.
01:24:54.82
Bill
Oh, well, shit, I'm i'm glad i'm glad we're talking about. See, again, once again, remember when I say everyone how intelligent my friend Mike is in all these different things? This is exactly what I'm talking about. So do tell, go more, more, more, more.
01:25:06.44
Mike
I mean, that's, that's pretty much it.
01:25:08.50
Bill
That's it.
01:25:08.56
Mike
There isn't any more, right? Yeah. Wicked films, right. But it was, yeah, their, their website was wicked dot.com and they put it on the fucking packaging of the toys and little kids were going to wicked.com.
01:25:20.04
Mike
I want to hear about the green, which la, la, la, la, la. Yeah. Which I'm sure if you go deep enough, there's, there's a green, you know, sure.
01:25:25.69
Bill
yeah and This probably is a green witch in there. She's she's doing some shit, but just she's a green witch with ah with a broom.
01:25:31.60
Mike
Right.
01:25:35.23
Mike
Right.
01:25:35.73
Bill
Yeah, I guess she is riding the broom.
01:25:36.48
Mike
and She is writing it. Yes, she is. It's all there.
01:25:40.24
Bill
Yeah, but what I heard that I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? X is supposed to be wicked either wicked the movie.com or wicked movie, something like that.
01:25:45.91
Mike
Sure.
01:25:47.60
Bill
But yeah, it's just inadvertently said wicked movie.
01:25:47.84
Mike
Right.
01:25:50.23
Bill
But the whole point is there's a fucking class action. Some mom filed a class action lawsuit for like $5 million.
01:25:53.37
Mike
Oh, yeah. no yeah who Good luck with all that.
01:25:56.94
Bill
dollars And again, this is They'll end up having to pay out something, which is fucking terrible. Mattel's going to end up having to pay out something, which is just fucking terrible.
01:26:05.05
Mike
Right. Stupid.
01:26:06.92
Bill
um It was was a goddamn mistake, you know and I get it.
01:26:09.41
Mike
Right.
01:26:10.03
Bill
um But you know so they to their point when they were talking about it on the the morning show, they're like, OK, so $5 million dollars fixes everything, right?
01:26:19.10
Mike
and that Right.
01:26:19.44
Bill
Where'd that number come from? And I'm like, that's the exact point. you know were there really is whether five million dollars of damages is that like a. I mean again these fucking attorneys out there in these accident cases of blah blah blah you know there's pain and suffering there you know these these.
01:26:35.65
Bill
Things that you can't really put a number on but that's where they make their money you know there's a medical bills which is the actual damages and then there's you know the other ones.
01:26:39.34
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:26:44.08
Mike
Right.
01:26:44.19
Bill
and then you know all the all the other ones are the ones that they're like oh well this is a million because it's lost wages if it's this and it's pain is suffering and how can you quantify what we we just put a figure on it that's how we can quantify it's just like god damn it but yeah Patel's gonna end up getting speaking of porn site fucked in the ass
01:26:49.22
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.
01:26:54.85
Mike
right
01:27:03.60
Mike
Right.
01:27:05.46
Bill
yeah
01:27:05.94
Mike
Well, here's the real problem is this fucking Karen mother, um, probably did something for wicked back in 1995. It doesn't want it. Anybody to know.
01:27:21.19
Mike
Yay. and What's that in your mouth?
01:27:33.38
Bill
i didn't plan on that everybody but here we go
01:27:35.08
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:27:35.96
Bill
so i talk about attorney ads all the time and all these all these attorney ads are so fucking stupid and they're just ridiculous this one actually made made me this one made me laugh and i think it's about percentages so we'll go from there this is um again something i hear on uh it plays on tune in when i'm listening to the morning show but it's a chicago attorney whoever the fuck this guy is or this law firm so the attorney
01:27:40.11
Mike
Right?
01:27:43.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:27:55.56
Mike
Right? Is it the hammer?
01:27:58.97
Bill
and No, no hammering. No, we're going to make the insurance company pay.
01:28:00.84
Mike
Yeah.
01:28:03.75
Bill
We're going to hammer up with the hammer. Nope, not the hammer again.
01:28:06.92
Mike
Okay.
01:28:06.94
Bill
Not even a weird voice. Very professional, this guy.
01:28:09.42
Mike
Yeah.
01:28:09.56
Bill
Okay. So, um but he's talking about, he defends. ah parental rights for fathe seeing their kids and tha So he goes, you know, ki a father, um you know, growi 20% of them have trouble in school okay um certain percentage go to prison.
01:28:16.59
Mike
Okay. Hmm.
01:28:24.22
Mike
Hmm.
01:28:29.01
Bill
so it's get a little worse there
01:28:30.90
Mike
Right.
01:28:30.98
Bill
and then Check out this fucking percentage that this guy says with a straight face.
01:28:33.88
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:28:35.78
Bill
ah fifth oh This is kids growing up without a father. okay So let's keep this in mind.
01:28:39.00
Mike
Yeah.
01:28:40.83
Bill
50% to 100% end up addicted to drugs.
01:28:46.61
Mike
Hi.
01:28:48.98
Bill
then And then, then I'm like, 50% to 100%.
01:28:52.71
Mike
hi sure hu All right.
01:28:53.09
Bill
I'm like, what the fuck? You know, cause he, that's his, that's his closer, you know? Oh my God, Mike, it's going to be on drugs. I got to do this. I got to do that. But then, you know, to your point, you just said hi.
01:29:03.42
Bill
So I'm like, okay, so let's, let's have a panel discussion here, Mike. Um, now I think you have admittedly said your dad was not necessarily around, correct?
01:29:13.18
Mike
No, not at all.
01:29:14.51
Bill
Okay. So not at all. My dad was around when I was a kid. I remember him being drunk and disorderly half the time.
01:29:18.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:29:19.48
Bill
And then we moved to Pittsburgh and he was a drunk and there was a number of years, uh, I guess part of my formative years that I did not have a ah father figure.
01:29:21.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.
01:29:27.22
Mike
Right.
01:29:27.42
Bill
So you and I kind of in the same boat, different ends of the boat, maybe depending, but, but still in the fatherless boat at some point, um, did you have trouble in school?
01:29:31.18
Mike
Right. Yeah. Sure.
01:29:37.98
Mike
if I hated it.
01:29:39.85
Bill
Okay. So hated does it hate? Does that go along with trouble? Hate trouble.
01:29:43.66
Mike
Well, I'm sure I had trouble that they were fucking trying to teach me shit I already knew.
01:29:44.80
Bill
Okay.
01:29:48.42
Bill
Yeah, I could have done a lot better, but I just did enough to get by to keep mom off my fucking ass.
01:29:53.16
Mike
Yeah.
01:29:53.31
Bill
And it still didn't, it still didn't fucking help. Um, a certain percentage and then maybe it's, so it's 20% of trouble in school. Maybe it was 10% or 15% go to prison. Mike, are you, and are you in prison?
01:30:04.16
Mike
Yeah. Uh, not currently.
01:30:09.37
Bill
Okay.
01:30:09.40
Mike
No, no, I have to be honest. God damn it. Um, no, I've never been to prison. Um, I've been to jail a few times, but never been to prison.
01:30:18.68
Bill
Right, and I was just gonna say, you and I have talked about that. I've only spent one night under lock and key, but um I've been arrested a handful of times, but actually only spent one night under under lock and key.
01:30:24.23
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:30:26.95
Mike
Sure.
01:30:30.23
Bill
But so both of us have been to jail, so yeah sort of, not not prison.
01:30:32.55
Mike
Oh, right.
01:30:34.67
Bill
So we're gonna check that box. But, okay, not only 50% of the panel here, but 100% of the panel became addicted, not necessarily to drugs, okay?
01:30:37.57
Mike
Hmm.
01:30:46.84
Mike
Right, alcohol is a drug, period.
01:30:47.82
Bill
But alcohol, alcohol is a drug. Okay, so so I'm correct. So am I correct? So this this attorney's not too far off. 100% of us, you and I became addicted to it.
01:30:56.73
Mike
Yup.
01:30:58.94
Bill
God damn, I start, maybe I should start listening to attorneys. Is that what I should?
01:31:02.75
Mike
Nah, don't do that.
01:31:05.17
Bill
i know it's just and know what i would
01:31:07.70
Mike
ah What percentage of people that have fathers listen to attorneys?
01:31:13.13
Bill
Right. I don't know. It's just the the whole thing. And it's just, again, one of those ants that I would had nothing to, you know, they had trouble in school, this and that, but then the drugs. And I know trouble kids end up ah experimenting, but so do whatever you want to call regular, you know, kids and families and blah, blah, blah.
01:31:26.07
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.
01:31:28.45
Bill
But yeah, the 50 to 100% I'm like, can you be more specific? Can you? Can you?
01:31:35.20
Mike
Right.
01:31:35.26
Bill
know what I...
01:31:36.00
Mike
Can you throw like a, you know, a 74.3 or something in there? 50 to a hundred.
01:31:41.47
Bill
Yeah, yeah, or just you know a a study taken by the Massachusetts massachusetts Institute of Whatever in 2014 stated, I'll even take a 10-year-old survey to get a little bit more narrowed down, but I'm like 50 to 100%, okay, I gotcha, I gotcha.
01:31:47.35
Mike
Uh-huh.
01:31:58.22
Mike
All right. Yeah.
01:32:00.01
Bill
But just last last thing about attorneys, so I was talking about being fucking boneheads. There's this, this um I don't know where this guy came from, but he's it's ah his his name is Russell Nicolay. He's an attorney now in Milwaukee, and literally he's got fucking billboards all over the state now, because I was different parts of the state, you see him everywhere.
01:32:15.88
Mike
Right.
01:32:16.23
Bill
So he's like this new up and coming attorney. He's a younger guy too, I think. Probably if I had to guess, he might be in his 30s, something like that.
01:32:22.14
Mike
Mm hmm.
01:32:23.97
Bill
um But, you know, so i I don't know if I saw the billboards, whatever. He advertises on the morning show I listened to. The first couple of ads that he came out, first of all, he's got the bald head kind of like he's got a beard.
01:32:37.08
Bill
um So he, part of his ad is, hey, if you want you know help, call the beard. He calls himself the beard.
01:32:42.89
Mike
Ah.
01:32:43.01
Bill
You know, like it's Nicolay Law, the beard. But this one commercial when he opened up, I swear to fucking God, and i'm I'm not exaggerating. This is how he sounds. Commercial opens up. Hey, what's up?
01:32:53.29
Bill
It's Russell Nicolay. And I'm like, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
01:32:55.42
Mike
for
01:32:58.98
Bill
And he's like, he's like, this, this, this, uh, yeah, you call the beard, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, you know, call our officer, hit me up online or whatever. um Let's just like, oh my God. I'm like, this, okay.
01:33:10.64
Bill
I don't care if you're 20 or if you're 70. Do you want your attorney to be going, hey, what's up? What's up?
01:33:17.24
Mike
No, I do not.
01:33:20.15
Bill
oh Like when he opened up that those commercials don't run anymore, but they did for a while I would fuck I've kept meaning to bring that up. I kept fucking laughing because I'm like, oh my god, dude He's clearly making some money.
01:33:31.41
Bill
He's got all these billboards around and shit like that But um he's hitting some group and I'm like, what group is he fucking hitting with this?
01:33:32.34
Mike
Right.
01:33:37.69
Bill
What's up? I Could I couldn't imagine walking into an attorney's office just say hey, what's up, man?
01:33:39.74
Mike
Morons.
01:33:46.55
Bill
I All right. But anyhow, enough ah enough fucking attorney stuff. And you know what? I just think enough. Enough of this tonight. What do you think?
01:33:53.21
Mike
Yeah, I think so.
01:33:55.30
Bill
All right, man. So i guess I guess it's your turn. Oh, wait. One one more. Ready?
01:33:58.82
Mike
Yes.
01:34:03.16
Mike
yeah All right, well thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature.
01:34:04.82
Bill
On that note, it's your turn.
01:34:14.31
Mike
So always be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it. now from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my black soul from the beginning of time till the ends of the earth always and eternally fuck you now it's time kids it's time for you to fuck off then keep fucking off Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.
01:34:45.61
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream and keep fucking off forever.
01:34:54.60
Bill
Was that our our bad 70s game show host?
01:34:57.84
Mike
Yeah.
01:34:58.91
Bill
I liked it. I liked it a lot, actually. And you know what? I forgot to talk about my whole trip. I'll talk about it. I got plenty of time. I got it a few weeks before I leave.
01:35:04.58
Mike
Yeah.
01:35:06.16
Bill
But um quick question. You never watch Breaking Bad, did you?
01:35:10.36
Mike
No.
01:35:10.99
Bill
Okay. So it's based in Albuquerque and I found out some cool stuff.
01:35:12.93
Mike
Yup.
01:35:14.11
Bill
And I don't know if you saw my post, but, um, just, yeah, I, I, I'm kind of excited about that.
01:35:14.53
Mike
Yup. I did.
01:35:19.10
Bill
It was an afterthought and I'm like, it's going to go out in the fucking desert, go find this one place.
01:35:23.53
Mike
Right.
01:35:24.38
Bill
It's only fucking, yeah, I don't know.
01:35:24.63
Mike
Make sure you take a meth pipe and get a pork pie hat.
01:35:27.29
Bill
Hey, whatever. Yeah. Meth pipe and I'll, I'll knock the exhaust off my car and see if I can get pulled over.
01:35:35.62
Bill
Yeah, exactly. All right, man. Uh, I love you brother.
01:35:39.22
Mike
I love you too.
01:35:40.60
Bill
and I think we'll talk soon.
01:35:42.26
Mike
We shall.
01:35:43.25
Bill
Alrighty, bye.
01:35:44.34
Mike
Bye.
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