SoberNotMature - Episode 161 (Alysse B. - Curious Curators Curating Curiously)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. And yeah, second week in a row, we have a guest, another esteemed guest.

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Bill
But, Mike, I decided something again on the fly here.

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Mike
Yeah. Oh, God.

00:00:16.09
Bill
Sorry. I was kind of thinking and deciding, but you let's roll ah roll this by ah everyone and see how this works. So I thought of a good qualifying question now for all of our guests. So guest, anonymous guest, before you introduce yourself, do you have a sibling, a family member who happened to be a comedian, a movie star on Saturday Night Live?

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Mike
Mm.

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Mike
Ha ha ha ha ha.

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Bill
Any fame or fortune involved in in your family?

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Alysse Bryson
Well, I actually do. i actually do.

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Bill
Do you really?

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Mike
ha

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Bill
Damn it. I was about to hang up with you. Okay, go ahead.

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Alysse Bryson
So here's my story. So my mother's cousin, Polly Smith, Polly Smith was the original clothing designer for Miss Piggy.

00:00:59.15
Bill
Oh, really?

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Alysse Bryson
And the Miss Piggy that is in the Smithsonian on display is wearing an outfit by my mom's cousin, Polly, which probably makes her what my second cousin once removed or something.

00:01:01.20
Bill
really?

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Alysse Bryson
um But I think that actually, um I think that me makes me a Muppet by default. Like I'm Muppet adjacent.

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Bill
Well, you know what? I'll give that to you because i have none of that, none of that in my in my past. My uncle's name was Michael Jackson, but yeah he was a car he was a car salesman for years. And and he was born prior to the ah pop star Michael Jackson, but he used to introduce himself. He'd walk up to people on the car lot and say, hey, I'm the i'm the white Michael Jackson. So that was his...

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Bill
That was his lead-in when he sold cars, but that was his so was his real legal name, Michael Jackson. So anyhow, and enough of my fucking nonsense. Elise, introduce yourself, and I don't know, why why why are you here? Tell us.

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Bill
Tell us why you're here.

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Mike
Why are you here?

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Bill
Why are you here?

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Alysse Bryson
Why am I here?

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Bill
Yeah.

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Alysse Bryson
i didn't have anything better to do Like, you know.

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Mike
Hey, who joined the club?

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Bill
yeah

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Alysse Bryson
ah um My name is Elise Bryson. I am the founder of the Sober Curator and um the fangirl of Sober Not Mature.

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Mike
ha ha ha ha.

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Bill
ah You know, I thought about that. What was it two years ago that we were ah we were all, you know, humping up on your leg trying to get you to notice us.

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

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Alysse Bryson
Yep.

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Bill
And now now you're you're coming back here to promote something that you got going on. So, um and actually we, I'll say because we're part of, we're part of the thing.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

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Bill
and And we've been...

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Alysse Bryson
You guys part of the crew.

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Bill
And we've been talking about it for for a long time. And just to remind everyone, um we are, well, least obviously with the Sober Curator, we got involved almost two years ago, I think. We're curators, ah which means we get to, you know, obviously be a part of and put in content and do all that stuff.

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Bill
And then um we've been talking about the the podcast launch for, is this been, you've been working on it a year now. Has it been close to a year?

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Alysse Bryson
Oh, forever. Yeah, forever.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And you know what? It's okay. Cause here, here's the thing I figured a worst case scenario. This is a good, ah a good landing ground for anyone who listens to this, this conversation that's going to listen to the, the sober curator podcast.

00:03:05.56
Bill
They're going to see basically what not to do based on what we do. And you could just say that you could just say that everything that we're going to do on the sober curator podcast is the complete opposite.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So I thought that was a great reason for you to come on here because we're going we do nothing like you guys.

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah, well well, I mean, we don't actually know what we're doing yet, even though we've been thinking about it and talking about it for over a year. um But it's here's the thing, you guys, like I got really tired of people sliding into my DMs and sending me emails saying they wanted to come on my podcast.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Alysse Bryson
I was like, I don't have one. And, but like I was getting them every week, every week I was getting these emails and I was like, it was so weird to me.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Alysse Bryson
Cause I'm like, usually if I reach out and ask to be on someone's podcast, like I'm going to listen to it first.

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Bill
right

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Alysse Bryson
I don't know, but I guess people get confused because we do a lot of reviews about podcasts and there are a lot of ah contributors that are podcasters.

00:04:02.94
Mike
he

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Alysse Bryson
So I can see why there's confusion But it just got to the point where I was like, I think the universe wants this group to have a podcast.

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Bill
right

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Alysse Bryson
So that's what we're doing. It's a group podcast. It's a group ah endeavor. However, i'll be I'll be like the host, the main glue that'll be in every episode that kind of keeps it all together.

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Bill
Right. And know of course, I mean, tomorrow's going to be deeply involved, obviously, on the edit the editing side of things, which we know that's one, again, one difference.

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Alysse Bryson
Deeply. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
We don't edit anything. We we never.

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Mike
We don't edit a damn thing.

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Bill
Yeah, from.

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Alysse Bryson
And I like that about you guys.

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Bill
Well, and it is. It was it was literally by to to begin with. I used to try to be a little bit more particular, even just cutting off like space in the middle or at the end. And even in the middle where we put our our episode or our ah website promo and stuff like that.

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Bill
And now, I mean, I'm like, yeah, it's fucking close enough. Every once in a while, Mike's like, you words from our spot. And it cuts off. And I'm like, oh, fuck. I already already downloaded it.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
I'm not doing it again. I'm not taking another five fucking minutes. And I told him the same thing, too. I'm like, you know we do these certain things. It'd be fun to do it. But I'm like, I don't want to put any more time in this goddamn thing.

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Bill
I mean, we care about it. We do. But we also like the fact. what did you How did you refer to us a couple of weeks ago, Mike, that we're we're like a musical thing, right?

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Mike
Did I? Oh, yeah. but Okay. Maybe. What did say? Freeform Jazz or something?

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Bill
No, you said punk rock. You said punk rock. We're out there doing our own thing.

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Mike
Oh, well, yeah, but that was that was different. That was, you know, nobody's telling us what to do. We're independent and all that.

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Bill
right

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Mike
Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, the actual content and whatever. Yeah, we're just scatting out here, man.

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Alysse Bryson
Are you guys straight edge? I recently learned what straight edge was.

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Mike
Um, right.

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Alysse Bryson
ah That was new to me. That was new to me.

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Mike
Well, clearly not. We weren't, um, you know, and I still smoke and we do caffeine and, uh, so no, we're not, no, I'm not.

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Alysse Bryson
Oh, you're not straight edge at all.

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Mike
No.

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Bill
So what is, I don't even know what straight edge is, let alone if I, if I am. So it's, if you don't do anything that's harmful to your body.

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Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

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Alysse Bryson
Right. And you like um punk music. it's It is a punk adjacent, but it is total abstinence of all the things.

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Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Bill
Oh, okay. Okay.

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Mike
Yeah, it's it's punk rock without the fun.

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Bill
Oh, okay.

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

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Bill
You know what?

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

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Bill
Maybe I might've heard that. I've listened to so many fucking podcasts and listen to audio books and all those sorts of things that I'm, I might've heard that, but I had no idea. I guess I didn't know what it, didn't know what it mean, but no, I mean, you figured that, okay, so there, yeah, I, I still vape, Mike still smokes.

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Bill
Caffeine is in there, but then think about that. I mean, I don't eat fast food, but you eat anything that you eat that, how could you do that without, how could you even survive? There's I mean, everything's processed to a certain extent unless you're living off the the fucking land, you know?

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah, I mean, sugars and everything.

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Bill
Right.

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Alysse Bryson
i don't know.

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Mike
Thank God.

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Bill
That's natural.

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Alysse Bryson
I don't know.

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Bill
Exactly. Thank God. Thank God.

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Mike
Yeah, yeah and sure.

00:07:01.17
Bill
okay But, I mean, sugar's natural. It's not, what's the other and what's the other, what's the other shit that's not natural that's supposed to cause cancer? So... but

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Mike
oh yeah, that sugar-free crap. Well, by hell, I forget.

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Alysse Bryson
that ah Yeah.

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Mike
Aspartame.

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Bill
I was going to say aceto, and I'm like, that's...

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Alysse Bryson
I almost said Asperger's. i almost said Asperger's.

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Mike
Right.

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Alysse Bryson
Wrong word.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Well, that's... Yeah, you can still be straight-edged. You can eat an Asperger once in a while and still be straight-edged.

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Mike
Mmm.

00:07:27.11
Bill
But yeah, it depends on if they bleach their asshole, though, then you've got chemicals in your mouth.

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Mike
Delicious.

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Alysse Bryson
you

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Bill
But anyhow, so back to the podcast. So lease.

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Mike
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

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Bill
But um so anyhow, I mean, it's ah it seriously, though, I mean, we we were talking about this ah in a meeting and I think and i mean I know you say forever, but I I think it was a year ago. But here's the thing. And you've talked about the fact of, you know, this being extremely the sober curator podcast being extremely intentional.

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Bill
As far as you wanted it to put, you want to put out a good product, make sure that everything's set, make sure you had this plan in place. So it wasn't just on a whim. Once again, like we did it.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um And, you know, the other thing too, is cause you've got, and correct me if I'm wrong, as of the release date is next Wednesday, the 26th, correct?

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Alysse Bryson
Correct. Correct.

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Bill
And then how many episodes are dropping as the kids say,

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Alysse Bryson
We're dropping five. We got five on it. We're dropping five.

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Bill
Okay. Which again, i didn't, we didn't learn about that until after the fact we're like, Oh, yeah you should have a handful.

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Mike
he Right.

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Bill
So, you know, people it's the binge society. So people can actually, you can catch people, you know,

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah, ah you know we love to binge. Hello. Like that is totally what our people do.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Well, we had Chris's son ah one time. Wasn't that Cameron that texted Chris one morning?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
It was like seven o'clock in the morning. And he's like, is everything OK with Mike and Bill? Where's the podcast?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
so the Fucking seven in the morning. And um I usually didn't release until like nine or ten. And then Mike texted me and i ended up messaging Cameron. I'm it out, man. It's there. It's OK. It's coming up. But, I mean, we we just we least we release it the day after because we didn't know any better.

00:09:05.95
Bill
But, okay, so five episodes, so you get people in there, and then it's going to be weekly every Wednesday after that. I mean, tell us more, i guess is my point.

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Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. Here's, here's another thing I'm letting you guys in on or your audience in on the first, the, here's the skinny for those of you that, um, are stuck in the eighties and the nineties, like I am, uh, the first 50 people to review us positively.

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Bill
The skinny. The skinny.

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Mike
I

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Mike
saw that in the email.

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Alysse Bryson
Okay. Five stars people, uh, on Apple specifically, ah is going to get a sober curator fanny pack.

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Mike
yeah i saw that email

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Alysse Bryson
And it's, and it's and we the logo, it's black on black.

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Bill
I saw that too. yeah

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Alysse Bryson
So it's not like you're going to have to walk around with our logo, like paste it on your cheek, right? Like it's super subtle and it's a really nice fanny pack.

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Alysse Bryson
So yeah, we've got, we've got 50 of those to give out and there'll probably be some shit on the inside of it when we ship them out.

00:10:02.04
Mike
No.

00:10:03.81
Bill
No. Yeah. And I, and I saw that too. And I, I, I've never, I've never worn one. I never plan on wearing one.

00:10:07.63
Mike
No.

00:10:08.56
Bill
No offense, you know, but, um,

00:10:08.66
Mike
No.

00:10:09.40
Alysse Bryson
No, you guys aren't fanny pack people.

00:10:09.85
Mike
and

00:10:11.12
Alysse Bryson
No, weird.

00:10:11.58
Mike
no

00:10:11.64
Bill
I'm not, I have a, I have a small backpack that I wear when I'm, when I'm hiking, but, um, you know, and I wasn't even, i mean, I've got another, I've got a backpack with all my, all my, my oversized purse backpack, but, um,

00:10:12.32
Mike
no

00:10:12.43
Alysse Bryson
So weird.

00:10:22.89
Alysse Bryson
No mercies for you guys? No mercies man purses?

00:10:25.74
Bill
No, that's the thing.

00:10:26.59
Alysse Bryson
No?

00:10:26.66
Bill
i bought ah I bought a small backpack because I've got like ah i've got a rain poncho in there. I'll put a bottle of water or two in there. um I've got my bear spray that I put in the side pocket, you know, because it could get eaten by a fucking bear out there. So I learned that much when I started doing all this hiking shit.

00:10:42.50
Bill
um But no, I mean, never a fanny pack. I couldn't see myself walking around with a fucking bear spray and a bottle of water stuffed right in my dick. You know, I mean, I could, you know.

00:10:51.41
Alysse Bryson
You could! You could!

00:10:52.14
Bill
I could.

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Alysse Bryson
That'd be a look. That'd be a look.

00:10:54.27
Bill
it It would be. It would be a definite look. So um do you want to or have you, and I don't remember if I saw it, have you mentioned anything about what the five episodes are is that going to be a surprise?

00:11:05.04
Bill
I mean, I know kind of what a couple of them are, but.

00:11:07.67
Alysse Bryson
Oh, um, no, I don't think we have, but I can, I mean, I can give you guys, I can give I can give a little tip.

00:11:12.46
Bill
You don't have to. You don't have

00:11:14.67
Alysse Bryson
So the first five, episode number one is just Tamar interviewing me and being like, what is this?

00:11:22.21
Bill
Right. Right.

00:11:22.62
Alysse Bryson
Why is this? What's the sober curator? Um, because there's probably still some people who don't know who we are, which is weird, but like there probably is.

00:11:29.09
Bill
right

00:11:30.36
Alysse Bryson
Right.

00:11:30.83
Mike
Hmm.

00:11:31.26
Alysse Bryson
And, uh, and then, ah episode. And so the idea behind the podcast is it's really a way to bring the website to life. And we've got 37 contributors on the site and we're uploading anywhere between 50 to 60 pieces of content a month.

00:11:46.47
Bill
Right.

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Alysse Bryson
And we've been archiving for almost five years. We'll be five on August 1st of this year. And so there's over 2000 pieces of content on the site. And we really lean heavy into lifestyle, pop culture, fun, entertainment, right?

00:12:05.62
Alysse Bryson
So we're not really the spot to land if you're trying to figure out if you wanna get sober or how to get sober. Like that's not really our jam. Our jam's more like you're sober, now what?

00:12:14.39
Bill
right

00:12:16.31
Alysse Bryson
Like we just wanna keep people entertained, motivated and so inspired to keep going.

00:12:18.55
Bill
Thank you.

00:12:21.69
Alysse Bryson
So there's 37 contributors and everybody's doing different stuff. And so we're going to try to kind of keep the episodes to follow the pillars of content that we have.

00:12:32.85
Alysse Bryson
So the first the second episode will be kind of like everything lifestyle, kind of setting up what the lifestyle section is like. The third episode is going to lean into entertainment and we're going to talk about um something that we all watched um that just recently came out.

00:12:52.32
Alysse Bryson
And then the fourth episode is going to be music related. And then the fifth episode is going to be leaning very heavy into pop culture. And then those are, so those are the first five. And then after that, we've got things lined up like, like a podcast episode and a travel episode and a beverage episode. So we're just going to be leaning in every month in every episode to one of our verticals on the site.

00:13:18.92
Bill
Okay. And then you're going to have the the idea here again. you're You're going to be the main host. Obviously, tomorrow's going to be involved.

00:13:25.41
Alysse Bryson
Yep. yep

00:13:25.68
Bill
And then having different guests, whether it be a contributor, whether it be an outside guest, because the plan could be to have outside guests, right? I mean...

00:13:33.06
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, once in a while.

00:13:33.12
Bill
Right.

00:13:33.96
Alysse Bryson
But like, you guys are like cooler. Like, I kind of just like to, ah kind of like to roll with my people.

00:13:36.91
Mike
yeah

00:13:39.51
Alysse Bryson
Like, there's 37 of us. that's And we don't, we're spread out all over the country.

00:13:41.53
Bill
Right.

00:13:44.26
Alysse Bryson
We've got a couple in Canada, and we have one in the UK, which means we're global. um And he has an accent, so that's cool. ah

00:13:52.54
Mike
right.

00:13:53.20
Alysse Bryson
But so yes, occasionally we'll have somebody from the outside coming in. But I really do just want to focus on our group and all the things that we have going on because like, Bill, like, let's talk about your Breaking Bad article.

00:14:07.07
Alysse Bryson
Like, I love that article.

00:14:07.65
Bill
right It was fun.

00:14:09.85
Alysse Bryson
you want to Do you want to tease it up?

00:14:10.27
Bill
It was a lot of fun.

00:14:11.17
Alysse Bryson
do you want to talk about it a little bit? you want to tell your listeners what it was?

00:14:15.56
Bill
um Sure. I mean, I had was a huge Breaking Bad fan. And this was kind of funny as a side note. Years ago, I watched the show Weeds, which some people may or may not remember. And then I went into Sons of Anarchy. And then I started watching Breaking Bad. And then do you remember what you said was you said to me, Mike?

00:14:32.84
Bill
I had posted something on Facebook about starting to watch Breaking Bad.

00:14:32.98
Mike
Hmm.

00:14:36.24
Bill
And Mike posts under that. He goes, well, he goes, I guess this is a progressive disease. Yeah.

00:14:40.66
Mike
Hmm. Hmm.

00:14:42.61
Bill
Because I went from from weed to bikers and whatever the shit they're into onto, you know, fucking meth.

00:14:42.87
Alysse Bryson
hu

00:14:48.10
Bill
But um so huge Breaking Bad fan. Actually, I'm i'm rewatching Better Call Saul now, which is the the prequel, quote unquote, to to that.

00:14:54.05
Alysse Bryson
yep the spin up Yep, yep, yep.

00:14:56.02
Bill
um would think Would that be called a spin back?

00:14:59.60
Alysse Bryson
That's a good question. I don't know.

00:15:01.02
Bill
i'm going to call I'm going to call it a spin back.

00:15:02.07
Alysse Bryson
We can make that a thing. Yeah, we can make that a thing...................

00:15:03.34
Bill
Yeah. But I mean, I like Bob Odenkirt to begin with, and I liked Saul in the show. But um in this this trip that I took, this roundabout trip that I took, ah one of the... I just needed a place to to stop, kind of a second stop on the way out to Arizona.

00:15:18.72
Bill
And I'm like, well, Albuquerque but would be kind of cool. And then... After I had it booked, I was trying to look for different places. I want to do, again, trails or whatever it was. And I'm like, I'm like, shit, I wonder if, you know, anyone's got these, you know, anything from Breaking Bad mapped out. And I found a ah website and the guy had, this was back from pandemic time, had mapped out um Walt's house, Jesse's house, the laundry house.

00:15:42.50
Bill
um All the way out to the desert where they had the first cook and also where ah season five, I think it was where there's big shootout and stuff out there.

00:15:51.13
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

00:15:51.25
Bill
So I followed his his path and I did the same thing that he did. um it went out ah around to all these different places. So it was really fucking cool. Yeah.

00:16:01.72
Bill
Because, um you know, just, I mean, putting myself literally in, you know, in these places where the where this show that I was really into was shot. um But the best part was out the desert. I mean, that, I can't even tell you how peaceful it was out there.

00:16:15.24
Bill
And then I wrote the article and put it up on my, the modern day hobo um website. And, you know, I don't know. i don't know if anyone's, you know, actually followed that path again. i know there was plenty of people that did it with the first guy and I credited his website because he's the one that, you know, gave me the idea. But, um man, it was ah it was a lot of fun. And just, again, being part of the show, being kind of a, you know, a fanboy of that whole show. And then I've never done anything like that, let alone never been to New Mexico or out in the desert or any of these goddamn places. And it was ah it was just fun.

00:16:47.33
Bill
It was a lot of fun.

00:16:48.60
Alysse Bryson
It was super fun, especially when I got to see all the selfies that you took in front of like every single one. Like that made me laugh. And then, you know, I had to do my pop culture thing and add to it.

00:16:58.92
Alysse Bryson
And I went and found like the the the cooking RV, like Lego set. And I found like weird merchandise.

00:17:04.61
Bill
Yeah, I saw that.

00:17:06.63
Alysse Bryson
Like I just found a bunch of weird stuff that if you're like me and you're into like collecting weird shit, like You might be interested in knowing that these things exist. They even have a little people breaking bad kit, which is like kind of weird.

00:17:20.79
Alysse Bryson
Right. Like, but, but also if I, if when I was, when my kid was little, if breaking bad had been out when at that time, I'm sure I would have bought that for him because I totally bought him all the South park stuff.

00:17:31.00
Bill
Oh, yeah. Why wouldn't you?

00:17:33.83
Alysse Bryson
Like totally.

00:17:36.24
Bill
Well, and you know, the the only thing that I that i missed on that the list of what that guy did, the selfie thing, I stole that idea too because that's what he did. He took a selfie in front every one of them. um But there was a there was a candy store where they sold um small bags of of rock candy that looked like the meth.

00:17:53.00
Bill
And I, I saw, i I passed the store, but I couldn't find a place to park. It was a Sunday and it was a beautiful day. And by the time it was late in the afternoon, it was like in the mid sixties. And this whole, it was this whole walkable neighborhood with all these, you know, little shops and everything like that.

00:18:07.62
Bill
um And I just, I couldn't find a place to park. And I'm like, ah, fuck it. If I ever get through here again, cause I wanted to buy my, my fucking candy meth.

00:18:17.80
Alysse Bryson
I am so curious about candy meth now.

00:18:17.76
Bill
But, um,

00:18:20.04
Alysse Bryson
I'm going to have to Google that. Like, I remember candy cigarettes.

00:18:21.42
Bill
it was just, it was rock,

00:18:22.00
Mike
Right?

00:18:23.24
Alysse Bryson
Like, we i mean, candy cigarettes, like, that's what I was when I was, like, six.

00:18:23.58
Mike
right

00:18:27.08
Alysse Bryson
But, like, candy meth, that's a thing?

00:18:29.73
Bill
It was just, it was, some it looked, I believe if I, if I remember correctly, um first of all, it's a store and she's called, you know, whatever the store is called something candy lady, probably, you know, fucking old wicked candy lady. um But it was just a little, it looked like a baggie of blue rock candy is what it was, but it looked like the, you know, little bag of meth from the episode.

00:18:45.81
Alysse Bryson
Okay. Okay.

00:18:48.99
Bill
You know, it was just, I'm like, i I wanted to get that, but you know, just didn't.

00:18:49.41
Alysse Bryson
Uh-huh. huh

00:18:53.77
Bill
didn' Couldn't find a place to park. But, um I mean, all those things are are fun. I mean, when, um Mike, when you came up to ah Wisconsin, I think the second time, when did we go to the cemetery? That's the second time you came up, right? well

00:19:06.44
Mike
Hmm. Was it this?

00:19:07.70
Bill
When we went to see Lita Ford and everything?

00:19:09.69
Mike
Yeah, no, that was that the second time?

00:19:11.14
Bill
Or first time?

00:19:11.88
Mike
Yeah. First time, man.

00:19:12.15
Bill
No, that would have been...

00:19:12.84
Mike
Yeah. We went to the cemetery. We went down and saw the bronze Fonz.

00:19:16.80
Bill
Yeah.

00:19:17.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:17.89
Bill
And well, it was cause Mike was, was just so funny. He's like, we're kicking around doing stuff. There's different areas. I wanted to show him cause he had been through Milwaukee, been pretty much through everywhere. Right, Mike?

00:19:27.73
Mike
Right. Yeah. I mean, I've driven past everything.

00:19:28.37
Bill
Um,

00:19:30.44
Bill
Yeah, but just never had you know seen certain things. so But he's like, he's so you're going hate me, buddy. He goes, we're going to we're going to a cemetery. I'm like, fucking hate you. I'm like, I know where this place is. i pass this I probably passed it a thousand times over the years.

00:19:43.06
Bill
um so It's ah called the Forest Home Cemetery. That's where we're all the beer barons and all those sort of things were buried there.

00:19:47.50
Mike
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. all the All the guys from Milwaukee, all the brewers from back in the day, you know, Blatt's and what the hell, i right?

00:19:56.22
Bill
Pabst.

00:19:57.33
Mike
Pabst, exactly, all of them.

00:19:58.12
Bill
Yeah.

00:19:59.27
Mike
Yeah, so there's huge mausoleums with these beer names on them. And, you know, being good alcoholic, I had to go visit that shit.

00:20:08.15
Bill
And it was really cool. We just parked it there and we we were we probably spent 45 minutes for an hour walking around the cemetery trying to find stuff.

00:20:12.93
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:15.01
Bill
And I think you had to look up a couple of things on your phone to figure out where they are. But, you know, and that that's the thing.

00:20:18.47
Mike
right yes

00:20:20.39
Bill
And I guess, you know, and to kind of go back to this, you know, not not only things like that, but that trip that I took. These are things that, you know, go back to what you said, Lisa, about, you know, things that... This is, you know, okay, I'm sober now.

00:20:32.38
Bill
What, you know, and, and Mike says it all the time, you know, what the fuck are we going to do when, when we quit drinking jokingly, because i mean, we have, I, I, I don't, I don't understand how i had the the time, you know, to, to drink.

00:20:33.30
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:20:44.40
Bill
Well, I do. Cause I, I neglected everything else in my life.

00:20:45.86
Mike
Yeah, because he neglected everything else.

00:20:47.40
Alysse Bryson
Because you didn't do anything else.

00:20:47.82
Mike
Exactly.

00:20:48.84
Alysse Bryson
Exactly. yeah

00:20:50.68
Bill
I answered my own question. Yes, I, of course I know. Of course I know. But, um you know, all these little things and that's kind of what the, what the website is because, you know, it's like there are a lot of the different, different books and stuff like that that I didn't realize existed or some of the TV shows.

00:21:05.99
Bill
Some I've watched, some I haven't, but there's some of the podcasts that have sober celebrities. I've, I've listened to some audio books now. you know, that had ah from sober celebrities that maybe I knew, but I forgot.

00:21:16.85
Bill
I'm like, oh shit, I forgot that this dude or this person to be more for me is next.

00:21:17.73
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:21:20.81
Bill
I just, I just downloaded that audio book.

00:21:21.77
Alysse Bryson
Oh, can i I have to tell you. So I spent, I listened to hers in one day.

00:21:24.71
Bill
Yeah.

00:21:27.44
Alysse Bryson
i was, um I was like redoing my closet and I was like doing this build-in thing myself that I got off Amazon, whatever. I'm not that, I'm not that good at building stuff, but I was able to put it together.

00:21:36.99
Bill
Right.

00:21:38.33
Alysse Bryson
So I listened to her all day. And first of all, she has an amazing voice. Like, so listening to her is cool, but I felt like I spent the day with her because it just felt like she was talking to me as a friend

00:21:49.36
Bill
right

00:21:49.46
Alysse Bryson
And I had no idea that um she got sober on the set of St. Elmo's Fire. She almost lost that role because of her, of being an addict. addict

00:22:01.19
Bill
right

00:22:01.35
Alysse Bryson
And in order to keep it, they had she was basically in a 30-day treatment center and they they would pick her up and take her to the set and she would film and then she would go back to treatment. Yeah. And so and then, ah you know, and then she was sober for several decades.

00:22:14.25
Alysse Bryson
And then when she was married with Ashton Kutcher, she decided she was fine and went back out. And like, so I won't like say all of her things, but like, it was so fascinating to listen to her whole story in her voice.

00:22:28.54
Bill
right

00:22:29.43
Alysse Bryson
And i just felt like i spent like I felt like she was my friend by the end of it.

00:22:34.89
Bill
Well, she was on, um I knew about the St. Elmo's Fire thing from, um did you listen to that episode, Mike, from Maren when he interviewed her?

00:22:41.60
Mike
ah No, I didn't get to that one.

00:22:43.94
Bill
Okay. she It's a, it's a good interview. Has a great conversation with her. Cause she talks about the, the movie that, that you want to see Mike, you know, with her, but the the most recent one, but yeah, she talked about that. And then she talked about the relapse. I think she called it to begin with. She's like, Oh, and then I had a sidestep after this. She goes, Oh hell, that was a relapse.

00:23:00.70
Bill
know hour

00:23:00.87
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:23:01.60
Bill
However she said it, but I think now she's been sober again for 13 years, 12, 13 years, something like that. I can't remember.

00:23:07.20
Alysse Bryson
Something. I don't know.

00:23:08.33
Bill
Yeah.

00:23:08.86
Alysse Bryson
It's been a while. Yeah.

00:23:10.09
Bill
Right. But I mean, yeah, she was, she was sober for like 20 years or something like that.

00:23:13.53
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. 20 years. Yeah. And then Ashton Kutcher told her like he didn't think that addiction was a real thing and she would be fine.

00:23:14.94
Bill
Yeah.

00:23:20.55
Alysse Bryson
And then she went back out. Yeah.

00:23:23.00
Bill
Well, see, that's, well, yeah, but that, that's, well, and I, and on top of that too, he's, I mean, he's a really good friend ah of Dax Shepard who was a fucking train wreck.

00:23:23.18
Alysse Bryson
And guess what? He was wrong. Sorry. Wrong.

00:23:26.67
Mike
got that wrong, huh?

00:23:28.62
Alysse Bryson
Weird. Weird.

00:23:34.37
Bill
He should know better. God damn it. You know, but um yeah.

00:23:36.48
Alysse Bryson
should totally know better to totally know better.

00:23:38.00
Bill
totally Well, even if you, even if you'd,

00:23:39.08
Alysse Bryson
But the substance, ah her movie, the substance that I think you guys were just referring to, we have that in our.

00:23:43.33
Bill
Yeah, Mike was talking about that.

00:23:43.48
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:44.66
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, we have that reviewed on the site. Lane did the review of that. And then I went to watch it and I don't. ah sorry, Mike, I don't do horror well or goth or any of that.

00:23:53.49
Mike
right yeah yeah

00:23:54.74
Alysse Bryson
Like, I'm just really sensitive. And I had to turn it off at one point. I was like, I don't think I can do this. um But I actually really liked the premise of the storyline, like the messaging that they were trying to convey.

00:24:06.59
Mike
right

00:24:07.15
Alysse Bryson
It was just like so much blood and i and gore. And I was just like, and it was, it did get kind of campy, right? And so...

00:24:14.98
Mike
yeah

00:24:15.79
Alysse Bryson
But I had to like, I had to like take it in two different phases because I had to take a little break. I had take a little break.

00:24:21.43
Mike
yeah

00:24:21.38
Bill
Did you watch it yet, Mike, or no?

00:24:22.36
Mike
Yeah, I watched it last weekend.

00:24:24.00
Bill
Oh, you did. Okay. Okay.

00:24:25.08
Mike
I did.

00:24:25.12
Bill
So what'd you think?

00:24:26.01
Mike
um It was, i I dug what the message was and all that. um It was too long and it was, yeah, I mean, they they needed some editing.

00:24:36.45
Mike
And like I said, I got what they were doing, but I didn't think they executed it all that well.

00:24:42.17
Bill
Hmm.

00:24:42.31
Mike
And as far as the gore goes, it was, eh, it was all right.

00:24:45.82
Alysse Bryson
it was It was only medium gore.

00:24:45.98
Mike
You know, I, yeah, it was, it wasn't, you know, there could have been more.

00:24:52.15
Bill
Yeah, well, him and his girlfriend, Chris. Well, Chris does. um ah You should, what is it, Wicked? What am I, God, Simply Wicked.

00:24:58.60
Mike
Simply wicked to court.

00:25:00.67
Bill
Yeah, so you've got to look that up, Elise. Simply Wicked could wicked Decor. um All the stuff that Chris makes up, it's all horror stuff and and all that all that sort of stuff. But, yeah, she's huge into it. I mean, the fact that these two got together on Tinder and they're so much alike and has so much in common is just, it's mind-blowing. You know, it's it's in in a really, really good way. Right, Mike?

00:25:22.35
Mike
Absolutely. Yep. It'll be nine years in August.

00:25:24.83
Bill
But yeah, that's, ah that's crazy to me. I mean, in again, in a very good way, it just, it it seems like, seems like she's been around forever, you know, but then again, it, you know, it seems like I got nine years and it's funny, chris sometimes at least when we'll be talking about whatever and Mike's like, Hey, he goes, I was hanging out with, you know, three sober people.

00:25:32.85
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:36.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:42.61
Bill
I'm like, who's the third? I'm like, Oh yeah, Chris, you know, because she, she's a normie, but she just, she's become one of us just by being around for, you know, forever.

00:25:44.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:49.28
Mike
yeah

00:25:53.88
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, our sober allies. i That's how I like to refer to them. Libby, who does the editing on the site now ah for the Sober Curator, I've, her and I have worked together for, i think, 15 years at, we're now on our third company together.

00:26:02.58
Bill
Thank

00:26:06.57
Alysse Bryson
And, um, so we're joking all the time that, um, like, is she sobered this week or not? Is she a sober ally? um

00:26:14.15
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:26:14.98
Alysse Bryson
Tony, who's one of the newer contributors, he's doing a step a month ah ah through the lens of stoicism. And she's been editing them. And the other day we were talking about step five. And she was like, whoa, whoa, you can't go there. I'm only on step three.

00:26:29.01
Alysse Bryson
And I started laughing really hard. I started laughing really hard.

00:26:33.22
Bill
Yeah. You know, what it just reminded me of talking about sober allies. I, uh, I helped my, uh, my son and his girlfriend move in. Uh, they moved in together last weekend. and That was one of the reasons I was up in, up in Wisconsin.

00:26:44.23
Bill
Um, and it was, uh, obviously them, a couple of their friends, people I knew, ah my ex-wife Dawn and her husband, Corey were there and, um, Katie's mom, that Katie's mom and her stepdad, a bunch of, bunch of different people. didn't take that long. and They had moved a lot of the stuff before, but,

00:26:59.59
Bill
So we're all said and done. And I had told Derek last weekend when we had lunch, I'm like, okay, you pay for lunch. I'll buy pizza for everyone um next weekend. So I did. And we're we're kicking around to sitting there. And um I don't know, Derek was, i guess i'll I'll ask both of you.

00:27:13.60
Bill
Have either one of you heard of icing somebody? It's a drinking thing.

00:27:18.24
Mike
It's a smear smirnoff thing, right?

00:27:18.45
Alysse Bryson
What?

00:27:20.38
Bill
Correct. Yeah.

00:27:21.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:27:21.86
Bill
Yeah. It's basically, it's like, give somebody the the round, you know, put your fingers in a circle, make them look at it. And then they, you give them a Smirnoff ice. They got to take a knee and down the Smirnoff. And this first time I saw this was when, when Derek graduated from um his tech school. So, I mean, we're talking like five years ago.

00:27:38.28
Bill
And I mean, one of his friends iced him right away when he came in and then, you know, doing that back and forth and,

00:27:38.45
Mike
hmm.

00:27:43.74
Bill
It happens every time all these little fuckers get together, you know. But this time Dawn brought couple of them from the house. So she had one in her pocket. So get everything in, we're waiting around for a second. And then Derek's like, he's like, are you fucking kidding me? And I look over and she's got one in her hand. and's She's like yeah, i brought a couple. He's like, he brought some. He's like, yeah, yeah. First time, you know, first apartment, whatever here.

00:28:05.53
Bill
Got to do it. So he does that. And I told him, I said, i said, damn, I said, it's, I am so glad I have an excuse not to, not to have to do that.

00:28:12.58
Mike
a

00:28:12.55
Bill
And he's, he looks at me, he's like, but do you really?

00:28:15.66
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:16.65
Bill
And I said, I said, well, you know, it's almost 15 years. you know, maybe that'd be a good reason to, to blow my, blow my sobriety over, you know, somebody iced me and I fucking blow my sobriety.

00:28:21.25
Mike
yeah

00:28:25.30
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:28:26.43
Bill
And then, uh, then we were

00:28:27.29
Mike
Then burn your new fucking apartment down.

00:28:29.90
Bill
ah yeah We were talking about it with, and yeah I brought that up to Dawn before. And then she's like, she's like, oh yeah. She's like, why'd you start drinking again? Well, my son moved in and he iced me. And she's like, she's like, no, what you're doing is way too important.

00:28:41.00
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:40.98
Bill
She's like too long. I'm like, I know, I know. I'm just fucking around. But then this was the funniest part. I'm standing at the, they got like an Island between the living room and the, in the kitchen. And I had grabbed a soda and it was a Diet Coke.

00:28:53.26
Bill
And no, so silver can, it was sitting on the counter and Corey had walked over And I picked up the soda and opened it up and went to drinking. He's like, no, you don't. And I'm looking like, what the fuck? And he's like, oh, I'm sorry.

00:29:05.60
Bill
They had Coors Light.

00:29:06.82
Mike
hey

00:29:06.99
Bill
Okay. Silver can, whatever. He thought I just cracked a beer and started to drink it. So this is, Elise, this is my my ex-wife's husband telling me not to drink. it's like He's like, don't do it. I'm like, no, no, no. It's just soda, man. Settle down. He's like, oh, God. He goes, I'm sorry. I'm like, yeah, I'm not fucking blowing my sobriety. Certainly I'm over at a goddamn Coors Light.

00:29:27.48
Mike
Hell no.

00:29:27.47
Bill
yeah

00:29:28.30
Alysse Bryson
No. so You know, it's funny that you say that though, because um my my son lives with me. He's 28. He rinsed for me to be clear. And his best friend recently moved in with us, which is great because my plan is...

00:29:43.70
Alysse Bryson
I would like them to take over the house and rent it from me and I would like to move out. So it's working out great.

00:29:48.02
Bill
Right.

00:29:49.52
Alysse Bryson
um So the other day, one of them had, I don't know which one, but I think it was McCabe, put a Coors Light, like, I don't know how many ounces it is. It's like one of those huge big ones. And it was in the fridge and um it was like right next to the water. And it started like talking to me.

00:30:06.45
Alysse Bryson
And you guys, I was never a beer drinker. And if I drank beer, it wasn't Coors Light.

00:30:11.91
Mike
Right.

00:30:12.00
Alysse Bryson
And I was just like, why is this can talking to me? Um, like, and it, just and, and cause we have a drink fridge out in the garage where normally that's where they keep their stuff. So I don't have to look at it, which is really nice, but for whatever reason, this one had made it in the house.

00:30:26.64
Alysse Bryson
And, uh, so I like, after it talked to me, like the third time I opened the door, i was like, okay, you're going out to, you're going out to the garage. You can't stay in here.

00:30:35.41
Bill
Quit talking to me and get where you're supposed to be.

00:30:36.18
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:38.26
Bill
Yeah, and you know what? um Kathy got, ah our our sister Kathy got a bottle of, um I don't even know what the brand was, but it was this, I mean, beautiful bottle of bourbon. And it was, it was a good looking fucking bottle.

00:30:49.48
Alysse Bryson
Thank you.

00:30:49.75
Bill
It's like in the 24 hour book, Mike, when they're like like, ooh, to see all the packages dressed up in the windows.

00:30:53.99
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:30:55.33
Bill
And it was, it was a beautiful bottle of bourbon. And it sat on the kitchen island and then on a kitchen counter for probably a month. So every time I walked in the kitchen, I'm like, there's that bottle of bourbon. There's that bottle of bourbon. I didn't want to drink it, but ah you can't help but but notice it.

00:31:10.55
Bill
Talking to me, I don't know that it was.

00:31:12.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:31:13.17
Bill
I like the way you say that you said that, Elise, but um it was catching my attention. Every time I walked in, it's just like, sup? Hey, sup with you?

00:31:21.16
Alysse Bryson
Right?

00:31:21.48
Bill
yeah So maybe maybe it was talking to me that way.

00:31:22.02
Alysse Bryson
Well, I even thought about like you know those dumb like filters like they have on Snapchat or TikTok or whatever where you can like put lips on something.

00:31:23.91
Bill
Just, you know. Yeah.

00:31:32.84
Alysse Bryson
like You can do it on your pet.

00:31:33.76
Bill
ah

00:31:34.45
Alysse Bryson
So I was like, oh, that would be funny. I should like actually like make a joke of this beer can talking to me. And then ah then I was like, that's just too much effort. I'm not doing that.

00:31:43.53
Mike
Right.

00:31:44.95
Alysse Bryson
Okay.

00:31:46.41
Bill
But, yeah, it is. It's just it's just weird. But I was i mean i was was actually touched by you know the the three of them you know in the random things. i mean and I've got i got so much support from you know all these all these people.

00:31:59.74
Bill
I never feel uncomfortable. and At least Mike and I talk about this all the time. Yeah. the The people that we surround ourselves are are people who care about us, you know, and we don't really worry so much about, you know, being in weird circumstances because we don't.

00:32:13.88
Bill
Well, first of all, we don't hang around those people. Right, Mike?

00:32:16.60
Mike
Right.

00:32:17.56
Bill
um But it just I know so many people have struggles, you know, with family members or the Ashton Cushers of the world or that sort of thing that are like, ah you're fine.

00:32:28.45
Bill
You know, oh you can do this. It's it's OK. Yeah. You know, where, know, I got my fucking ex-wife's husband going, no, you don't. Probably about to fucking tackle me if he actually thought I was going to start drinking, which, hey, if he was willing to tackle me because I was going to, you know, blow my fucking sobriety over a goddamn Coors Light, more power to him. I would take it.

00:32:50.87
Bill
But it is, it's just, it's nice.

00:32:51.19
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, I mean, you do it. i I too, like my inner circle is all people that support my choice for sobriety and abstinence, right?

00:33:02.56
Alysse Bryson
Doesn't mean I don't have friends that do drink. I have i'm a a huge network of people, especially professionally. That drink.

00:33:08.65
Bill
right

00:33:09.36
Alysse Bryson
um And they know I don't. And like, we just try not to make it weird. Right? Like, that's the thing is like, it just don't make it weird.

00:33:14.39
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:16.83
Alysse Bryson
I recently just did. It wasn't a TED Talk, but they had this thing in Seattle called Ignite Seattle. And it was kind of like the Hunger Games version of TED Talk, because you only got five minutes to make your point.

00:33:29.87
Alysse Bryson
And there was, you had to have a slideshow that was on the screen behind you with 20 slides that auto-advanced every 15 seconds.

00:33:35.02
Bill
I don't

00:33:36.74
Alysse Bryson
Like, it was intense. I probably spent, I don't know, 30 or 40 hours preparing for this five-minute talk, right? And there were all kinds of talks. One guy did a talk on you're doing your dishes wrong. Another guy did a talk on how not to kill orchids.

00:33:51.71
Alysse Bryson
um So I did one on Sip Happens Connection Without Alcohol. And just like trying to talk to the general public, like, listen... Everyone deserves to celebrate regardless in their glass.

00:34:03.10
Alysse Bryson
Like you can drink in front of me. I'm not going to burst into flames, right? I'm not going to grab it out out of your hand and start guzzling it. Like it's okay. We can all be in the same room together and have a celebration. And it doesn't matter if you're drinking or not drinking.

00:34:18.91
Bill
Right.

00:34:19.56
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:19.64
Bill
Well, you talk about that, Mike, as far as not not being, what, anti-alcohol, right?

00:34:25.23
Mike
Oh yeah. I mean, the big book talks about, yeah, we can't be anti-alcohol. I mean, you got to remember those those guys, those guys were all fucked up during prohibition when it was illegal, right?

00:34:28.93
Alysse Bryson
No.

00:34:35.11
Mike
They knew that the folly of all of that, um, you know, so yeah, I mean, I'm absolutely, I've, I've said it on here before. I'll say it again. You know, I think all drugs should be legal.

00:34:47.46
Mike
I think I, you know, I, it's safer, make it safe, take the crack, the crime out of it. Um, You know, I mean, yes, absolutely. I'm all for that.

00:34:57.83
Mike
um I just, I can't do them. You know, that's fine. But, you know, I can't drink. I can't do drugs. But people can. And I think they should be able to.

00:35:08.25
Bill
Yeah. And it's, uh, we've gotten into conversations before about, um, you know, and I, I hear it on other podcasts and I hear it on, um, you know, social media and, and all this stuff, you know, people are just, you know, talking about the evil of, you know, and it's all alcohol and this and that, and people are preying on and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you know what, my, my example is always, well, okay. So the same people that are up there on their fucking soapbox, you know, talking, talking down about anyone who drinks and they're evil and all those different things,

00:35:37.59
Bill
you know, probably have a goddamn Big Mac, you know, in their mouth and a Kit Kat in their pocket, you know, and it's, ah it's okay. Pick your, pick your vice, pick your, pick your literally pick your poison. And I'm not saying that alcohol is, has a health benefit. I mean, ah again, studies are out there now saying it doesn't, but you know, if somebody can drink and do it responsibly, if somebody can go to, I don't understand when I, when I drive by a McDonald's and I see the loads of fucking people, I don't understand because I don't eat fast food anymore.

00:36:06.11
Bill
I don't understand the the draw to it. Well, I do, because if I've ever... You walk by a fast food restaurant and it's the same goddamn thing. You want to talk about something talking to me. I'm like, Jesus Christ, that sounds or that smells good.

00:36:18.21
Bill
But I know how I'm going to feel. It just makes me feel sick. I know and no it's not good for me, but I'm not going to stand out in front of a goddamn McDonald's or go online and be like, McDonald's is poison.

00:36:22.06
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

00:36:29.96
Bill
McDonald's is this. If you eat this, you're fucking evil. Yeah. You know, and it again, is somebody can go to McDonald's and, you know, then they could probably go out there and goddamn fucking marathon. I can barely, you know, i I run my mouth a lot, you know, but I mean, I can't, I can't run a goddamn marathon.

00:36:46.12
Bill
That dude over there probably had four Big Macs over the last 30 days and and he's in better shape than I am. So who the fuck am I to say, you know?

00:36:54.59
Mike
Exactly.

00:36:54.70
Alysse Bryson
You can always, if you want to know how I'm doing, just ask me when the last time i had McDonald's. Because if I don't know, things are going great. And if I can tell you exactly what it was, then there's been a disturbance in the force.

00:37:04.91
Bill
if I tell you exactly what it was, then...

00:37:12.83
Bill
and And you know, the thing of it is I went, when I stopped, I haven't had McDonald's since I got sober. So almost 15 years. Okay. And it wasn't a, it wasn't really a thought saying that I'm going to stop eating this, this shit because it it wasn't that case. I went to McDonald's before I got sober because I take my son, you know, the play land and all those sorts of things.

00:37:33.04
Bill
Plus on top of it, kicking around and being out and doing the type of work that I did, it was easy to stop and grab a couple of hamburgers or whatever, Um, I have nothing against it. I love the food. I love the taste, but towards the, towards the end, um, I mean, i would, it just, it tasted so good, but I literally, i would feel, I would feel terrible.

00:37:50.62
Bill
I mean, physically feel terrible, you know, so that's why I stopped eating it.

00:37:51.61
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, yeah.

00:37:54.72
Bill
Um, Mike and I, you remember that, Mike? if God, probably this has been 70 years ago. We drove through. We went out and played cards with friends of ours. We actually went to Burger King two nights in a row. I don't remember why we went the second night.

00:38:04.16
Mike
We did. I don't know.

00:38:05.17
Alysse Bryson
Oh.

00:38:06.24
Mike
Right.

00:38:06.27
Bill
yeah

00:38:06.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:07.16
Bill
But, um you know, it's like the big fucking Whoppers and shit like that.

00:38:07.92
Alysse Bryson
Oh.

00:38:10.41
Bill
We're driving through ah Burger King. in a it wasn't It's not a sketchy. Is it a sketch part of town where we went? Yeah.

00:38:16.23
Mike
but yeah

00:38:17.52
Bill
Okay. Yeah. It's, it wasn't, it's not, it's not the great, it's not the greatest part. I didn't think I was going to die, but yeah, it's not the greatest part of town, but it's one o'clock in the morning drive-thru only. And we're waiting in the drive-thru and I'm like, I'm like, God, I said, I would bet that they haven't had a sober person through this line in four hours, you know?

00:38:34.16
Bill
And I mean, there's a couple of sober guys being like, hey give me all this fucking food, man.

00:38:34.42
Mike
Great.

00:38:37.66
Bill
Yeah. But, um yeah, I get that again. I've got nothing against it. But that just, go again, goes back to the whole point is, you know, the people that can do what they do, you know, and and not ah Mike always says it. Get up and, you know, take care of your kids in the morning type of thing.

00:38:52.70
Bill
i I lost that privilege and i believe so. So did you guys. Right.

00:38:56.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:38:57.83
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

00:38:59.16
Bill
So um real quick and kind of in, we're going to get into this more, but I mean, you've been talking so much about the, um the website and in the podcast before we, we do take a break. um Give us the website address right now and where the podcast could be seen where, where it's going to be mainly focused and the release date again. And then Mike, you can run us into a break. What do think?

00:39:20.31
Mike
Cool.

00:39:21.06
Alysse Bryson
All right. Well, you can find us at the sober curator.com.

00:39:23.21
Bill
Yeah.

00:39:25.56
Alysse Bryson
And if you like to get ah emails, we have an email list called the sober sip. And on Mondays, we send out basically kind of a recap of everything that published the week before.

00:39:37.62
Alysse Bryson
um on Wednesdays, we're going to start sending out a podcast email with our podcast that's launching along with We'll feature some other ones. So like just this last week, I don't know if you guys saw, but we featured the one that you did ah with mr with Mr.

00:39:49.98
Mike
I did see that.

00:39:50.99
Bill
yeah

00:39:51.58
Alysse Bryson
Farley. And then um on Fridays, we started a ah weekend edition where it's just five of our most popular posts.

00:39:53.82
Bill
On Friday, we started a weekend edition where it's just five our most popular posts. So you never want to check out the Silver Sips. And then as far as the Silver Sips podcast, there was a video podcast. We decided to there. So you should watch it in video on Spotify. And then if you just want to listen to it, it's still Spotify.

00:39:59.77
Alysse Bryson
um to get you through the weekend.

00:40:00.56
Bill
It's also on Apple.

00:40:00.93
Alysse Bryson
So you definitely want to check out the Sober Sip.

00:40:00.93
Bill
It's also on Samsung.

00:40:03.24
Alysse Bryson
And then as far as the Sober Curator podcast, so it's a video podcast, we decided to go there. So you can watch it in video on YouTube or on Spotify. And then if you just want to listen to it, it's obviously still on Spotify.

00:40:17.80
Alysse Bryson
um It's also on Apple, it's also on ammon Amazon Music and iHeart.

00:40:24.27
Bill
Cool. You know what? And now we don't have to, we don't have to do your little ad break. I think you just did the ad break so we could just go.

00:40:28.74
Alysse Bryson
Did I just do it?

00:40:28.82
Mike
I think so.

00:40:29.59
Alysse Bryson
God, I'm so good at this.

00:40:29.92
Mike
I think it was done.

00:40:30.02
Bill
No. And I think, I think actually, yeah, you are. You're really good at it. I think that's, you know what? Do, do what, that's why you're going listen to their podcast because that's what you're going to get.

00:40:37.90
Mike
Right.

00:40:38.62
Bill
You're going get that. You're not going to get this shit. Right, Mike?

00:40:41.69
Mike
Absolutely.

00:40:41.74
Bill
So on, on that note, what do you think?

00:40:44.42
Mike
I think we'll be right back with more of this shit right after these words from our sponsors.

00:40:58.75
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back with some more shit. But yeah, as you were talking there, I'm like, God, this is, i we there's no sense in trying to fumble over you doing some sort of, you know, some sort of quote unquote live ad. You just did one. That was beautiful. Right off, right off the cuff, Elise. You know what?

00:41:15.04
Bill
You're a goddamn professional.

00:41:16.74
Alysse Bryson
I'm a natural. Well, I, you know, I sold advertising for two decades.

00:41:18.70
Bill
Yeah.

00:41:21.05
Alysse Bryson
So I would hope that I would be somewhat decent at, at it. I would hope at this point, but you know, it basically just means I'm full of shit.

00:41:26.64
Bill
yeah Well, you're, you're,

00:41:28.89
Alysse Bryson
That's what it means. That's what it means.

00:41:29.86
Mike
Right.

00:41:30.62
Bill
Well, you know, we always talk about, I so kind of stole this line from the radio show, morning show that I listened to. If we don't know what we're talking about, just keep on talking until until it makes sense again or until until we run out of time, one of the two.

00:41:40.29
Alysse Bryson
yeah

00:41:42.95
Bill
But um Mike, can you do me a favor? Can you, in your ending...

00:41:45.38
Mike
Backhead.

00:41:47.89
Bill
can you count how many times you say the word fuck in both of your endings? Just do that. Do that real quick. Is that I, I've got, got another little side note here, a little programming note, but um so the, the one episode that you, and I know the one episode that you're going to talk about, Elise is, ah is the, a documentary.

00:41:56.50
Mike
Ah, okay. okay

00:42:06.08
Bill
So you, do you want to, I had a couple of questions about, cause I watched the particular documentary.

00:42:11.01
Alysse Bryson
Oh, you did?

00:42:11.25
Bill
Do you, do you want to talk about that now? Or you want to save that?

00:42:13.44
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:42:14.48
Bill
Okay.

00:42:14.83
Alysse Bryson
No, let's talk about it.

00:42:16.16
Bill
All right. So, um in and Mike, i don't know if you heard about it, but and we talked about, I listened to Matthew Perry's audio book a year ago. It's got to be a year ago now.

00:42:27.27
Mike
Right?

00:42:27.37
Bill
And um I might actually go listen to it again because I you know i just watched the documentary.

00:42:30.52
Alysse Bryson
I think I'm going to, too. Yeah.

00:42:32.27
Bill
it was It was really good. It was good and it was it was sad and it was... engaging just seeing his his rise and fall and rise and fall and his back and forth now the thing of it is ah here's my opinion that's why I was I was going to ask you if you if you read or listen to the book at least so clearly you did did you think that you learned anything more from the documentary or or was it just kind of like almost like a recap of that I'm just curious

00:42:47.95
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

00:42:57.61
Alysse Bryson
Um, the documentary is really more about the people that they're trying to pen some responsibility of his death too

00:43:06.66
Bill
Right. Yes. Okay.

00:43:08.10
Alysse Bryson
Um, and so from that perspective, I learned more, you know, we talk about this in the episode, so it's not really going to be much of a spoiler, but in reading his book and I, I bought a hard copy cause I wanted to have a hard copy cause I was a friends fan.

00:43:22.85
Alysse Bryson
I have like the friends Lego set of central perk,

00:43:25.45
Bill
Right.

00:43:25.91
Alysse Bryson
Like I've got the cardboard cutouts, like I'm all in right? I've got the Funkos. um But I did listen to it because I wanted to hear it in his voice, just like I did with Demi's book, right?

00:43:34.86
Bill
right

00:43:36.67
Alysse Bryson
And i have to tell you that in listening to his his book, when I got to the end of it, I was like, I love the fact that he just doesn't give up.

00:43:48.71
Alysse Bryson
But I also like... When you've sat in as many church basements for as long as I have, um you can start to hear the difference between who recovery and sober.

00:44:02.25
Bill
Right. Yep. Yeah. yep

00:44:03.02
Alysse Bryson
And I just don't think he got it all the way. um And he obviously, he didn't, right? And so, um but that was, to me, that was kind of obvious in the book.

00:44:10.67
Mike
right

00:44:15.01
Alysse Bryson
Now, people, you know, there's a lot of debate on what if he was using and and or whatever when he was on his book tour. I don't know. It's like not any of my business, right? But um I do think that, I think that no matter what happens, and he has a foundation, but I think,

00:44:33.59
Alysse Bryson
that his journey and his story is going to save so many lives. And it probably has already. Right. um And so, because there's, there's a lot in there um and he just shows what we do.

00:44:49.60
Alysse Bryson
Like that's what addicts do. Like it's, you know, it's sneaky, it's cunning, it's patient, it's fatal. Like it, that's just what it is.

00:44:59.61
Bill
Right. And you know, the, cause I, I, I did the audio book and you know, I bring back little snippets and, and probably what over what three, four weeks, I think we probably talked about it, Mike.

00:45:05.35
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

00:45:10.20
Mike
Something like that

00:45:10.24
Bill
um you know, it again, in bits and pieces. And I would make mental notes and I would write it down and do all this different stuff. And so I would give Mike literally the CliffsNotes of what I listened to that week.

00:45:21.68
Bill
And then, you know, Mike would usually offer an opinion, you know, again, not listening to the whole thing, but he was, yeah but what I was going to say is you were picking up on exactly what I was picking up on, even without listening to the whole thing.

00:45:25.72
Mike
that. Really?

00:45:34.77
Bill
And that was, ah I was trying to give you a gist to what was going on.

00:45:35.28
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:35.65
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:45:38.89
Bill
And a number of times that when we were talking, um like, like, for instance, I don't know if you remember in the book, Elise, but um he talks only about um does he tell it's he talks about only Bill Wilson. He doesn't talk about Dr. Bob.

00:45:53.16
Bill
He just talks about Bill Wilson, the founder of Bill Wilson, Bill Wilson, Bill Wilson.

00:45:53.52
Alysse Bryson
yeah Yeah.

00:45:57.31
Bill
And I told I so like that. And I'm like, it's just fucking weird because he never mentions Dr. Bob. And, you know, so Mike, I think you said something along the lines of you, he was just picking what, you know, kind of picking and choosing, not taking, you know, the entire responsibility for the program.

00:46:09.79
Mike
I believe that's called half measures.

00:46:12.46
Bill
im like, Jesus Christ. Yeah.

00:46:14.60
Alysse Bryson
Literally, literally.

00:46:15.14
Bill
And, and I mean, literally, literally half, we have half measures.

00:46:15.19
Mike
Literally.

00:46:19.48
Bill
And then, you know, in, in listening to some of the other things and Mike had said, you know, it doesn't sound like you was taking responsibility. And I mean, everything I was telling him and just kind give these bits and pieces is exactly what you said that, you Um, it was, you could, you could tell, i mean, every, everything he said, it's like, Jesus Christ, here comes again, type of thing.

00:46:37.38
Bill
And he never really grabbed onto everything. He believed it. He wanted it, but not enough to put all the effort into it.

00:46:41.97
Alysse Bryson
Yep.

00:46:44.25
Bill
Now, here's the thing that the one thing with the documentary, but and I'll go back to the people responsible, um, you know, for that. But the thing that I heard in the documentary was that they feel, um, or found out, I don't know if it was fact, but that he may have received 27 shots of ketamine in the last three days of his life.

00:47:03.26
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:47:03.93
Bill
I mean, that's, that's a lot, right? And

00:47:06.34
Alysse Bryson
That's a lot. Yeah.

00:47:09.09
Bill
I, I get, Mike and I always say this all the time. I'm not laughing. That's a nervous laugh. I'm like 27 fucking shots of anything. God damn. um But yeah, the the documentary, that's what I was going to lead into it. I was going to get your opinion about that.

00:47:21.79
Bill
It seems like the documentary literally is, okay, here's what happened. Now we need to find somebody to blame is pretty much what it seemed like to me. Right.

00:47:30.31
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. And it's, you know, it's Hollywood, right? They're not doing it out of a the mindset of advocacy and like that people could watch it and learn and grow and maybe make different choices.

00:47:36.81
Bill
Right. Right. Right.

00:47:41.41
Alysse Bryson
They're doing it because it's salacious. And, you know, the, I felt sorry for none of the five people that are in question.

00:47:43.31
Bill
right

00:47:49.98
Alysse Bryson
Three have admitted guilt. Two have not. that The trial hasn't happened yet. The only one that I kind of sympathize with a teeny tiny bit was his assistant that was with him for 10 years, because I understand being in a codependent relationship.

00:48:03.54
Bill
but

00:48:08.13
Alysse Bryson
um ah I've been there. I've done that. um I don't know if Matthew Perry was a narcissist, but he had a very big personality. So I get i get the allure of all of that.

00:48:19.85
Alysse Bryson
and But i you know if you have your boss telling you to do something And if you don't do it, he's just going to fire you and go find somebody else that will do it. And there's going to be a big line of people that will do it.

00:48:29.06
Bill
right

00:48:31.96
Alysse Bryson
I can understand how the lines start to get blurred. And then when nothing bad happens, they get blurrier. So I actually felt for for that guy.

00:48:42.37
Alysse Bryson
i didn't feel anything for the other four.

00:48:44.62
Bill
Right. the The thing that kind of, the only thing, and I don't know if I, I don't know if this is going to come out wrong, but i fuck it. That's wouldn't be the first thing I've said that didn't come out right. um I was bothered by the fact that they were trying to blame people for, um for his death.

00:49:00.99
Bill
That was because, you know, again, us knowing that, you know, no one can stop somebody.

00:49:02.43
Alysse Bryson
Thank

00:49:05.71
Bill
No one can make the change except for, you know, the alcoholic or the addict. That's number one. But they kept repeating the same thing. They're like, these people were taking advantage of of somebody, you know, that somebody was sick and somebody that they were taking advantage of their of their disease to make money.

00:49:22.75
Bill
And I'm like, that's what fucking society is. Yeah.

00:49:25.96
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, yes and. Like, yes and. Of course, of course, no duh. And he was also, I mean, it wasn't happening to him. He wasn't held hostage and tied to a chair and people were shooting him up with ketamine.

00:49:34.58
Bill
Right.

00:49:38.74
Alysse Bryson
That's not what happened, right?

00:49:39.96
Bill
Right.

00:49:40.64
Alysse Bryson
So there does have to be responsibility there. And... um And I get that. Like, I get the desire for wanting to quit and not being able to. And like, I'm sure that's why God has made me not famous and not rich, because I would not handle it well.

00:49:58.88
Bill
but didn't you You said something along those lines one time, Mike, didn't you, as far as the time?

00:50:03.16
Mike
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:50:03.22
Bill
If you would have if you would have done... I don't remember how you put it, but...

00:50:06.01
Mike
Absolutely. You know, I fucking almost killed myself without doing all that shit, right? You know, just being moderately ah well-known and yeah, whatever.

00:50:16.79
Bill
I almost killed myself with almost no money.

00:50:18.81
Alysse Bryson
yeah

00:50:19.24
Mike
That's right.

00:50:20.14
Bill
Imagine if I actually had a lot of money.

00:50:22.08
Mike
Exactly.

00:50:22.18
Bill
Because I did. I was like fucking broke and I was three weeks away from death.

00:50:26.33
Mike
yep

00:50:26.39
Bill
um you know But it just I'm thinking that you know anyone out there is... Because what they were talking about is that... These people were preying on him. Now, theres there's another line that was crossed. There the physicians and there were prescriptions and all that stuff. You can't do all that stuff. I get all that. There's, you know, laws and rules and all those things in place. All that shit I understand.

00:50:44.58
Bill
um But just the the term of, you know, this... this person was being preyed on for their desires or however they had put it.

00:50:48.89
Alysse Bryson
Yeah,

00:50:51.72
Bill
But I'm like, you know, look that's what, that's what target does. That's what Macy's does. Let's go back to McDonald's and any liquor store.

00:50:58.69
Alysse Bryson
yeah, yeah.

00:51:00.02
Bill
um That's what, you know, fucking Domino's does.

00:51:00.08
Alysse Bryson
yeah

00:51:02.06
Bill
Mike and I go goddamn Domino's every week. The reason we probably got lured in there. Well, cause people stole our food. First of all,

00:51:08.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:08.79
Bill
yeah That was number one, but it was the $5 pizza, you know, or whatever they used to call it. Wasn't there some snappy thing to it? They called it just five buck pizza, $5, whatever. i don't even know what the fuck it was, but everyone's fucking luring people in. So...

00:51:23.99
Bill
I don't know. I mean, it's ah again, I didn't learn much more except for 27 shots of ketamine and the fact that it just seemed like they were the documentary was surrounded around, um you know, just placing blame on somebody like this guy. This guy died and we we need to blame somebody, you know.

00:51:41.34
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:43.10
Mike
Yeah, it's the misunderstanding of society of how all this shit works. The only person to blame is the person who died.

00:51:49.23
Bill
Right. Yeah. Dan, we've had we've had plenty ah plenty of that stuff around.

00:51:51.03
Alysse Bryson
yeah

00:51:54.04
Bill
I'm sure I'm a U2 at least. I mean, I know that you've been around, what, for, are you 18, 19 years now? What

00:51:59.91
Alysse Bryson
I will be 19 on May 1st. So I'm almost, yeah, we'll see if I get there.

00:52:02.93
Bill
are you? talk to us on May 1st, but how long?

00:52:05.02
Alysse Bryson
but We'll see if I get there.

00:52:05.79
Mike
Right?

00:52:05.82
Alysse Bryson
I don't know.

00:52:07.14
Bill
I'm just fucking with you. Yeah, we're both we're both coming up on, we and we try not to front, but every once in a while we're like, we can say coming up on 15 years, right, Mike?

00:52:14.50
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:52:14.54
Bill
We can say that?

00:52:14.98
Mike
Yeah, if we can.

00:52:15.30
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, coming up. Yeah, you're coming up.

00:52:16.48
Mike
Yep.

00:52:17.39
Bill
Yeah, we're coming up and it's ah it's only, it's less than a...

00:52:19.47
Alysse Bryson
Are you guys going to throw a quinceañera for your sobriety?

00:52:24.25
Bill
God damn it. You know, if we would have had more time to, if I had thought about it, you know, before March 21st, we probably could have done something like that. We're playing cards though, aren't we, Mike, or no?

00:52:32.04
Mike
Yeah, well, yeah. The week after. Yes, we are.

00:52:34.66
Bill
Oh yeah. Week after. Okay. That's right.

00:52:36.04
Mike
Yep.

00:52:36.64
Bill
But I mean, yeah, we, we always, well, in, in since, since I left ah Ohio um we get together, well, we got, you know, obviously did something for our anniversaries the first three years.

00:52:46.91
Bill
And then since then we've gotten together again, like, like everyone else, except for the pandemic years, but um yeah, I'll be out in Cleveland.

00:52:53.76
Mike
Right.

00:52:55.41
Bill
We always wait until, you know, both of our anniversaries have passed. So it's going to be the last, what last weekend of April, I think.

00:53:01.74
Mike
Yep.

00:53:02.24
Bill
Yeah. So yeah, just that's kind of, I can see here but that that been kind of fun. Maybe. Is there anything for the 20th is what's, what's the word for 20?

00:53:14.08
Bill
What's it? Is there anything fun for that?

00:53:15.42
Mike
Well, it's 21. You get to go out and drink again. Yeah.

00:53:18.06
Bill
Oh,

00:53:18.45
Alysse Bryson
21. 21. I did for my 16. I threw myself a sweet 16.

00:53:24.29
Bill
i did you really?

00:53:24.49
Alysse Bryson
And we of course I did.

00:53:25.04
Mike
Of course you did.

00:53:26.18
Bill
Yeah.

00:53:26.85
Alysse Bryson
And we rented this really cool Airbnb that was like, full like every room like one room was a Star Wars room one room was like ah Barbie room like it was all like 80s toys basically so it was my heaven right it was my total heaven and I had a bunch of girls over and we made snacks and had Diet Cokes and chatted and you know just definitely pillow fights that's what women do we when we're alone together we do a lot of pillow fights Mike a lot of pillow fights

00:53:50.51
Mike
Pillow fights? see Right. Yep. I know. I know.

00:54:00.16
Bill
So was the, what was, what was Pulp Fiction? Was that ninety s Did you have a gimp in the basement too? Or no, was there the,

00:54:04.82
Mike
yeah

00:54:08.18
Bill
go get the gimp.

00:54:09.96
Alysse Bryson
They did have chandelier from an old pizza hut there, which I thought was really cool.

00:54:14.84
Bill
Oh, really?

00:54:16.35
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. And of course, if you want to go see see this, it's on the site, just with everything else.

00:54:21.89
Bill
What?

00:54:22.21
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

00:54:22.29
Bill
Oh.

00:54:23.22
Mike
What site is that?

00:54:24.68
Alysse Bryson
It's thesobercurator.com.

00:54:26.65
Mike
Ah.

00:54:29.39
Bill
What can we find on the sober curator.com?

00:54:31.13
Mike
He he he he.

00:54:31.45
Alysse Bryson
Dot com.

00:54:31.52
Bill
Is there, is there a, is there a podcast also that goes along with this?

00:54:32.07
Mike
Hmm.

00:54:34.84
Alysse Bryson
There's, yeah, there's a podcast. There's even one that's not very mature.

00:54:39.71
Bill
Right.

00:54:39.91
Mike
Hmm.

00:54:40.74
Bill
couple of sober, couple of sober fucks.

00:54:40.89
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm. Yep.

00:54:43.22
Bill
ah Oh,

00:54:43.49
Alysse Bryson
You know what I like is when I go to your guys' page, if you um roll your mouse over your pictures, it changes between your pictures and your Funko dolls. And I think it's hilarious because, Mike, you have the best Funko of, like, the whole group.

00:54:56.74
Bill
Oh my God.

00:54:57.05
Alysse Bryson
Like, hands down.

00:54:57.31
Bill
Yeah. There's yeah. No fucking doubt.

00:54:59.17
Alysse Bryson
Hands down. Like, put that shit on a T-shirt. I would wear it. It's, like, hands down the best.

00:55:05.54
Bill
Well, that's what,

00:55:05.64
Mike
Talk to our merch guy over there.

00:55:07.49
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:08.08
Bill
And, you know, that's why the um I'll do our – when it's just us, and you notice it, Mike, with the upcoming guests, I've got at least two um Canva posts that I put together with ah with those Funkos.

00:55:19.62
Bill
I mean, mine's just a fucking whatever, you know. But his – when I first saw his, I couldn't stop laughing because I'm like, that's fucking you, man.

00:55:29.47
Mike
Six.

00:55:29.80
Alysse Bryson
It is, it is so you, like it is.

00:55:29.83
Bill
That is just –

00:55:32.87
Alysse Bryson
And I, we haven't even met you. i just could tell.

00:55:35.35
Mike
so

00:55:35.75
Alysse Bryson
I was like, oh man, that one, that one crushed.

00:55:37.58
Bill
Yeah, it's, yeah, it is. It's just, it is perfect. But, um but so yeah, the, ah God, I can't remember. his head It'll, it'll come back around. Oh yeah. Yeah. The, the fucks. Did you, did you count out how many, how many fucks you have in your ending?

00:55:51.16
Mike
six

00:55:52.04
Bill
Okay. So um we were, Mike and I were joking last weekend. We were, we, before we got on with, with Tom, and if anyone hasn't listened to the Tom Farley episode, it's forget about the fact that he was Chris Farley's brother because he was an interesting guy to talk to.

00:56:06.49
Bill
Right.

00:56:06.58
Mike
hmm.

00:56:07.27
Bill
Um, we had a great conversation with him.

00:56:07.33
Mike
Absolutely.

00:56:09.47
Bill
he was so laid back. It felt so comfortable and natural talking to him. It was just, it was, it was good. Um, so listen to the episode. That was our last one. One, six, zero. Um, but beforehand where Mike and I, uh, popped in what five or 10 minutes beforehand.

00:56:23.51
Mike
like that. Right.

00:56:24.14
Bill
Yeah, which we never do. But we're sitting there talking and we're like, yeah, should we? like I started to ask him, like, should we change anything? Should we watch our mouths? I can take out the fucks in the beginning. Should we not do the ending?

00:56:34.93
Bill
He's like, oh, he's just let let's see how it goes type of thing. So we ended up doing the the normal thing. And Mike's like, ah, yeah, Tom, you can handle it. So we did his normal, you know, fuck off ending and blah, blah, blah.

00:56:45.00
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

00:56:45.11
Bill
But um after all was said and done, Mike and I texted back and forth about a couple of things. And he said, yeah, he goes, that had to have been the the least amount of fucks out of any episode we've ever done. So what do you think, Mike?

00:56:56.68
Bill
How many, knowing that six of them, six of them, that's why I wanted to ask you how many were in that.

00:56:57.95
Mike
Yeah. right

00:57:04.56
Mike
I mean, if we crack 10 other than those six, um I'm going to be surprised.

00:57:10.62
Bill
Well, you could be a little surprised it was 12.

00:57:12.37
Mike
yeah Okay.

00:57:12.49
Bill
12.

00:57:13.22
Mike
Okay.

00:57:13.25
Bill
twelve

00:57:15.23
Alysse Bryson
Do you guys have, i actually have a jar of fucks so I can give them out.

00:57:20.09
Mike
Oh, nice.

00:57:20.93
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:21.73
Mike
My jar has been empty for a very long time.

00:57:24.21
Alysse Bryson
but

00:57:24.44
Mike
I do not give a fuck.

00:57:27.47
Bill
But we started, um you know, and I did it when and we started doing the, and I think it was Riverside, where Riverside first started doing transcripts. um You know, I'd obviously throw it into, ah not obviously, but I would throw it into a Word document and then put it up on PodPage so would get up on our website.

00:57:43.37
Bill
Um, you know, when I started doing that, it just, at one point I'm like, God, I think I, you know, you can do a workout obviously in word. So I did it. And I think the first time I did it, it was like, it was like 70 or 80. I'm like, I'm like, oh my God.

00:57:56.98
Bill
So we said it like 70 or 80 times, you know, figure in, you know, an hour and a half at the most.

00:58:01.66
Mike
and

00:58:02.27
Bill
So then every once in a while, i keep an eye on it, blah, blah, blah. And then we hit, what was it a couple weeks ago, Mike? 157? seven

00:58:09.46
Mike
I believe so. No.

00:58:11.06
Bill
and it it's like It was over 150. And when I told him, he he's like, Jesus Christ.

00:58:13.66
Mike
yeah

00:58:14.11
Alysse Bryson
Wow.

00:58:17.43
Bill
And I'm like, i'm no I said, I know. it Because you know he said to himself, he's like, well, I wasn't pissed off at anything. I'm like, no, we weren't mad at anything. There was nothing out of the ordinary.

00:58:23.76
Mike
no

00:58:24.77
Bill
We weren't trying to do it. But yeah, just right off random, 157 times that the word fuck came out of one of our mouths. Yeah. It's a lot, but, but we know how to control ourselves.

00:58:35.88
Mike
he Right.

00:58:39.45
Bill
That's, that's an example. So six of them slipped other than that. Cause we tried it's only, only six, six of them were meant to be there.

00:58:44.81
Mike
Yep.

00:58:49.12
Bill
We're there on purpose at the end.

00:58:50.73
Alysse Bryson
oh

00:58:50.86
Bill
um

00:58:50.91
Mike
Right.

00:58:51.41
Bill
I know I, I said probably a couple, you might've had four. So I think we, you know,

00:58:54.30
Mike
Yeah, sounds about right.

00:58:55.57
Bill
that's I know I did once for sure because as soon as it came out of my mouth, I'm like, yeah, there we go. you know I was trying nod to us, which is so ridiculous because in ah in a business sense, on the phone I'm on the phone all goddamn day.

00:59:01.52
Mike
There it is. Right.

00:59:11.64
Bill
I've never sworn at anyone ever on the phone in 30 fucking years. you know

00:59:15.15
Mike
Right.

00:59:15.64
Bill
I've never sworn at one of my bosses or anything like that accidentally.

00:59:15.90
Alysse Bryson
Really?

00:59:19.36
Bill
I've never let one drop in a business meeting. Um, I've never had that happen, but I can say it even let's split the difference. I can say it 80 times in an hour.

00:59:29.22
Mike
right so

00:59:30.38
Alysse Bryson
Okay, can i ask you guys a question? Because I think there is a difference between saying it and saying it at someone.

00:59:32.66
Bill
Yes.

00:59:37.66
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:38.56
Bill
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

00:59:38.70
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:59:40.05
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, there's a difference, right?

00:59:41.33
Mike
Sure.

00:59:42.00
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. So I don't ever say it at someone. I don't think I ever have. Like if I did, it was, I just, I can't remember. It was very rare. I mean, it's possible I was a blackout drinker. Who knows what happened then?

00:59:52.16
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:59:53.00
Alysse Bryson
But like, I just think, but I i can drop them like a sailor, but I just, it's dropping them, not throwing them, I think is, is is I think proper etiquette.

00:59:59.97
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

01:00:04.38
Mike
yeah Well, I mean, it's i hopefully we're learning something, how to be decent human beings doing through this process. And yes, we don't throw them anymore. We certainly drop them all over the place. We litter to the ground with them. but wait But yes, I like that.

01:00:22.04
Mike
Yeah, I don't throw them at anybody any anymore. i like that.

01:00:24.79
Bill
Yeah,

01:00:24.88
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:25.56
Bill
we look we learned that. I'll i'll forget that. going to to keep reminding us of that, Elise, because I like that too.

01:00:30.59
Alysse Bryson
Well, this has been recorded, so it's it's archived.

01:00:33.19
Mike
Ha ha ha ha ha!

01:00:33.85
Bill
But i'll I'll still forget. you know, we...

01:00:35.85
Alysse Bryson
Oh, true.

01:00:36.06
Bill
we

01:00:36.49
Alysse Bryson
True. Yeah, you will. You will.

01:00:37.91
Bill
I listened to every, every episode. And sometimes I'm listening. to I'm like, Jesus Christ. don't remember saying that. Or I'm like, i remember Mike saying that. What was I doing when he was talking? You know? um But so the, the whole thing like saying an app people.

01:00:50.66
Bill
So if you walk up to somebody in like, if it's a female and say, would you fuck me? Is that at the person? Or is that.

01:00:57.87
Alysse Bryson
that's saying you're just asking for consent.

01:01:01.61
Mike
Oh,

01:01:02.37
Bill
Would you fuck me? Please.

01:01:03.37
Alysse Bryson
Which is very important.

01:01:03.61
Bill
I mean.

01:01:05.21
Alysse Bryson
Let's be clear. Consent is very important.

01:01:06.94
Mike
ah yeah, it is.

01:01:07.97
Bill
Oh, no, I agree. i agree. That's why that's what I'm just saying I want to make sure that if um I'm using it and that I'm not dropping it on them or throwing it at them. It's a question. it's ah um being It's a genuine question.

01:01:18.60
Mike
Well, you're asking them to fuck you That's, you know, that's, that's fine.

01:01:20.36
Bill
yeah Yes, i would just i would like you i would like you to throw some of that.

01:01:22.51
Mike
Right.

01:01:24.91
Mike
May I, not you're not saying may I fuck you. You're saying, will you fuck me?

01:01:29.10
Bill
Well, that's a good point.

01:01:29.29
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:30.09
Mike
Yeah, right. That's fine.

01:01:31.99
Bill
Okay. And then, but then when, when the person agrees and you're hanging around there for little, then you're like, Hey, I'm going to fuck you tonight. You know, then you could say that.

01:01:37.54
Mike
why

01:01:38.91
Alysse Bryson
Well, yeah, that's different.

01:01:38.97
Mike
Sure.

01:01:40.11
Alysse Bryson
That's different. That's different.

01:01:43.84
Bill
I think we're going to hit 170 tonight.

01:01:48.09
Bill
All right. So um give us some more insight or do you have more insight on anything more you want to talk about the the actual podcast, how things are going to be, ah what you want this to be, what people can do to, because you want obviously to spread the word. and And we did none of this when we first started. We didn't know shit about anything.

01:02:05.35
Bill
We had no platform, everything. We were just, we were born these just poor whatever.

01:02:07.46
Mike
um

01:02:10.84
Bill
And we just tried to build on something we're still building. So, how can people help get the podcast out there? Elise, back to you.

01:02:17.80
Alysse Bryson
Well, definitely subscribe on YouTube because you can actually watch us on your TV.

01:02:17.99
Bill
Right.

01:02:22.99
Alysse Bryson
So it's not exactly a reality TV show, but it like wants to be one, right? Because there's 37 characters that can come in and out of the episodes.

01:02:33.97
Bill
Right.

01:02:34.17
Alysse Bryson
So um that's that's something um just then and there. And and i the you know the reason behind that is we're trying to show all types of people that are sober or in recovery, whichever word works for them.

01:02:49.18
Alysse Bryson
We're also showing all lengths of sobriety time. You know, Dr. Sarah has 40 years

01:02:54.99
Mike
Right.

01:02:55.21
Bill
Right.

01:02:55.72
Alysse Bryson
Like, so long. And, you know, I love to call her the sober cougar because the guy she's seeing only has two years sober. And so she's, like, totally a sober cougar. Totally.

01:03:05.59
Bill
Right. Right.

01:03:08.25
Alysse Bryson
um So, I mean, yeah. Subscribe on YouTube. um Follow us. Download us. Like us. Like, you know, if you if you like an episode, you know, comment. We'll comment back.

01:03:19.46
Alysse Bryson
um Share it with your friends. um You know, I just... When we put stuff out there, I just kind of assume that God will pick up and take take the rest of it. ah So I don't have to worry about it, right? Like we're just supposed to do what we're responsible for doing, which is trying to create some great content because we want to break the stigma, right? I want people to stop associating boredom with sobriety.

01:03:43.41
Alysse Bryson
And this goes back to like the beginning of our conversation when you guys are, you know, Bill, you're talking about your breaking bad trip.

01:03:45.41
Bill
Right. Right.

01:03:49.13
Alysse Bryson
Like we're super fun. We go and do all these things now that we would have never done when we were drunk or hungover. And so, and I think that if we can start to make sobriety attractive, like maybe more people will get there or get there sooner.

01:03:56.31
Bill
right

01:04:06.66
Bill
Yeah. And, you know, um we've we've talked about that. We've actually had a a certain number of guests on that not only have done, you know, the sobriety in a variety of different ways, um but came at it in different ways.

01:04:17.49
Alysse Bryson
Thank you.

01:04:18.74
Bill
And it came to them, you know, um again, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. Right. You know i mean, I had to had to be half dead and Mike had to to end up with, you know, how many black guys did you have?

01:04:29.16
Mike
um I think just one. One and a half.

01:04:33.14
Bill
One and a half black eyes. And, you know, with his head that he gave himself ah walking down the driveway with his pants down.

01:04:34.85
Mike
That I gave myself.

01:04:41.27
Bill
But um if if you want to hear that, it's episode number three.

01:04:41.79
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:44.06
Bill
The audio is fucking terrible, but the story is great.

01:04:46.27
Mike
Yes.

01:04:47.37
Bill
Fucking great. um a true True story. of The first time that... I think the first time that I saw you lead, um you know, because after I heard that story, I'm sitting there and like he's we're going into the meeting, whatever.

01:04:57.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:04:59.89
Bill
I'm like, you got to tell the fucking pan story. You have to. And, you know, I just I I commented about it and I said I said, thank you so much. And i'm I'm trying not to laugh. And, you know, because the thing of it is, it's.

01:05:12.39
Bill
it's It's tragic, um but it's funny because I mean, I know the ending, you know, um but it's it wouldn't be so funny if you would have died that night.

01:05:17.48
Mike
Right.

01:05:21.04
Bill
You know, I mean, I think that that would have brought

01:05:21.49
Mike
No, no. Well, it might have been a little funny.

01:05:23.56
Alysse Bryson
have Definitely less funny. um You guys, I have a pee story and it won't be appropriate to tell tell it on my podcast.

01:05:26.52
Bill
bring down the room a little bit. Right.

01:05:32.32
Mike
yeah

01:05:32.38
Bill
Tell it.

01:05:32.44
Alysse Bryson
Can I tell it on yours?

01:05:33.63
Mike
know That's what we're here for.

01:05:33.86
Bill
Oh, God, yeah.

01:05:35.04
Alysse Bryson
Yes!

01:05:35.08
Bill
Yeah, well, okay.

01:05:35.70
Alysse Bryson
Uh-huh.

01:05:36.18
Bill
And before before you do that, actually, no, tell your peace story. Then we'll tell we'll tell our Pistro story. So yeah, go ahead.

01:05:42.52
Alysse Bryson
Okay. All right. So i am 18 years old. have just arrived at college in Seattle, a university, ah private Christian university, to be clear.

01:05:54.70
Mike
Of course.

01:05:55.05
Alysse Bryson
um ah And I found the party girls. Like we all magically ended up being on the same floor, go third west. And, um, it was our first weekend going out together and we were, we got shit faced, um, you know, by this canal in Seattle. Cause there's just water and lakes and stuff all over Seattle.

01:06:14.03
Alysse Bryson
We got shit faced, uh, at this canal and then we were going to go dancing at this underage club. but Now this was the nineties. So I was wearing Doc Martens, white cut off denim shorts with a sleeveless plaid flannel, right? Because Seattle flannel, of course I was.

01:06:32.82
Alysse Bryson
And ah we go to park in the university district and I was really, and there was no grass anywhere. So I was really concerned about peeing in the parking lot that it was going to splatter and hit my, my white shorts.

01:06:39.98
Bill
about the parking lot that it was to be flat

01:06:45.20
Alysse Bryson
Right. Right. And we were about to go into this underage dance club that had black light, like bad situation. Right. So in my drunken stupor, i was like, I know I'll take my shorts off and I'll go over there and pee.

01:06:58.34
Alysse Bryson
And then I'll come back over here. I'll put them back on. Like, that is a great idea. And I, I still stand behind that being a good idea. Unfortunately, what happened was I took my shorts off and then I forgot that I was supposed to go somewhere else and pee.

01:07:14.47
Alysse Bryson
And so I peed right on top of them.

01:07:18.25
Mike
Nice.

01:07:18.49
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:07:19.56
Bill
I thought you're going to say you forgot to put your shorts back on and just walked into the club.

01:07:19.60
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:07:22.96
Alysse Bryson
Nope. Just peed right on top of them. Yep.

01:07:25.96
Bill
Did you put it back on at least? I mean, you know.

01:07:27.78
Alysse Bryson
I did not. They actually had to drive me back to the dorm. I walked into the dorm with no pants on to get a new pair of pants. And then we went back to the club.

01:07:36.12
Bill
Well, and that's good. I was going that's my next question where you, did you go back to the club? Of course you did.

01:07:40.33
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Oh, of course I did.

01:07:42.10
Bill
But mike Mike and I told two stories and it was about going to the, I peed a drawer once and he peed in an apartment where, yeah, well, Mike peed in a closet where John Stamos used to live, which was, x that's another audio, it's another audio book.

01:07:47.99
Alysse Bryson
I've peed a drawer too.

01:07:50.02
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:54.16
Alysse Bryson
oh okay. You win. You win.

01:07:56.48
Bill
Yeah.

01:07:56.69
Mike
yeah

01:07:56.93
Bill
yeah He's like, yeah, John Stamos used to live in this apartment. I'm like, you peed John Stamos' closet? He's like, it wasn't his closet at the time. It was my closet. Yeah. But tom then from that point forward, you know, on like Google analytics where you can see search words and how people find you, um people were finding us.

01:08:12.61
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:08:14.73
Bill
the The words were mature piss and pissing mature and blah, blah, blah.

01:08:19.14
Alysse Bryson
What?

01:08:19.45
Bill
Because because the ep.

01:08:20.29
Mike
we We named the episode Piss Drawer.

01:08:24.01
Alysse Bryson
Of course she did. Of course she did.

01:08:25.10
Mike
Right.

01:08:25.60
Bill
Yeah, and and once again, Mike, thank you, because all of the, everyone, if if you just, if somebody who just wants to have a good time, you don't even want to listen to all to all the episodes, please listen, but just go back to every single one of our episodes, read the title, and look at the picture, and tell me that you're not laughing all along the way, because they're fucking hilarious, and thank you, Mike, as he does all the pictures and all the episode titles, and they're wonderful.

01:08:25.75
Mike
Of course we did.

01:08:34.29
Mike
Okay.

01:08:48.62
Bill
I love them. um but But yes, he named our

01:08:49.98
Mike
Why thank you?

01:08:53.67
Bill
Piss Drawers. and for that was shit fifty or sixty maybe even a hundred episodes ago

01:08:58.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:58.89
Bill
it was a lot it was a long time ago and i couldn't figure out i'm like why the fuck her people that they're finding us that's our that's you know the first time that seo really works it's on the term piss

01:09:09.64
Alysse Bryson
Nice, nice job with your keywords there, Bill. Nice job.

01:09:12.35
Bill
It I'm telling you, and I do nothing. I do. I do. Don't do anything with that. That's at some point, you know, I would and I'm i'm sure I would. We probably have to pay somebody to do it, whether it be with our website or all this different stuff. We don't do.

01:09:25.22
Bill
You do, Elise, a wonderful job, obviously, in all the SEO stuff, because usually if um any time that an article of ours or something of ours is is featured on the Sober Curator within, if not the second day, the third day,

01:09:36.63
Alysse Bryson
Yep.

01:09:40.72
Bill
if I do a search on sober, not mature, that article is ah one, two or three every single time over our website, or maybe it's our website, then the article.

01:09:43.26
Alysse Bryson
yep yep yep

01:09:50.06
Bill
um So, I mean, that's a, that's an excellent job too. So um I mean, that, that's the other great thing that, you know, how I know how people, how people find the website because you talk about that in the meeting.

01:10:01.18
Bill
So what is the number one way or what are the ways that people actually find the website? Just so everyone's aware.

01:10:06.83
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, the number one way is through a search engine, right? And so Google, obviously a search engine. YouTube is actually the second largest search engine. And then, you know, we've got others like Yahoo, Bing, I could keep going.

01:10:18.60
Bill
Right.

01:10:18.69
Alysse Bryson
But when people are searching for or something, they have an intent, they have a a question that they're looking for an answer for, Right.

01:10:19.23
Bill
Right.

01:10:26.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:27.06
Alysse Bryson
So um that that person is so much more valuable as an engaged listener, reader, whatever the situation is, than someone who is mindlessly scrolling, right?

01:10:39.18
Bill
right

01:10:39.92
Alysse Bryson
um And so that's those are the people we care about. And so it depending on the month, it's usually the average is around 70% of our traffic comes from search. Yeah.

01:10:50.50
Alysse Bryson
And we don't spend any money on keywords.

01:10:50.51
Bill
Right.

01:10:52.50
Alysse Bryson
We just, we just optimize the hell out of the back end of the site. That's all Alex. That's what she, that she is really good at that. And so that has been our marketing efforts. And then, you know, we get a little from Facebook. We get a little from Instagram. Pinterest actually does really well for us, which is kind of weird.

01:11:11.16
Alysse Bryson
um I gave up on TikTok. I'm too old. I don't do it right. Like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not hip. But, um but, you know, we're we and, and more importantly, like every time that everybody has a post, we push it out on all of the social platforms, we what we don't push everything out onto LinkedIn, unless ah it should be on LinkedIn.

01:11:31.60
Alysse Bryson
um But but everything else, if when we publish it goes on Facebook, it goes on Instagram, it goes on Twitter, yes, we're still on Twitter. um We also have threads. ah Alex, I think, wants to start a blue sky or she has started a blue sky.

01:11:44.81
Alysse Bryson
um And then we're on YouTube. So so the social media is great, but the search is really where it's at. It's really where it's at.

01:11:51.85
Bill
right Yeah, and it was it was funny. like um Just out of curiosity, after you posted the the episode for for Tom, I was just kind of curious. So I did a search ah for Tom Farley, and it didn't come up, but I did Tom Farley sober. The article was number one.

01:12:08.61
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:12:08.72
Bill
So, or our, you're the sober curator with our, with our episode on there.

01:12:11.42
Alysse Bryson
and sir

01:12:12.97
Bill
So i'm like, that's kind of cool because somebody's searching around, you know, i mean, people know that Tom Farley is sober. If they just put in those three keywords, then obviously that, that hits on the sober curator and that hits on us and just cool shit, you know?

01:12:26.13
Bill
um But, but I mean, the, the biggest thing, and I guess to go back to, and and I want you hopefully maybe to explain a little bit more for people who are listening. I think that, and I don't know, I mean, we've got people that have been, you know, sober for a number of years because we get messages from people. We've had people that listen to us that have been sober um relatively short amount of time. But um once again, explain to your average, average person out there, what the sober curator could do.

01:12:52.51
Bill
for them, whether it's, again, male versus female, that sort of thing, too, because I know the demographic sides one way or the other, correct?

01:12:59.73
Alysse Bryson
It does, but we have in the last year, we got a lot more even between male, female, um which is cool because we've gotten a lot more male contributors. So thank you guys for being the trendsetters. You were first.

01:13:13.35
Alysse Bryson
Well, Justin was first.

01:13:13.39
Mike
Yeah. yeah

01:13:14.63
Alysse Bryson
Justin was first. I think you guys came in closely behind him.

01:13:17.43
Bill
Really?

01:13:17.73
Alysse Bryson
Um,

01:13:17.94
Bill
God, I didn't know that. Okay.

01:13:18.74
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:13:18.74
Bill
Okay.

01:13:18.98
Alysse Bryson
And well, and Daniel has been doing horoscopes, but ah you guys came in right behind those two.

01:13:22.10
Bill
Right.

01:13:23.62
Alysse Bryson
And now we've gotten ah handful more. So we're pretty neutral. We're trying, we're trying to have a sports section. um We've got a new guy, Corey, and he's the founder of Soba Golf.

01:13:34.74
Alysse Bryson
And so if you're sober and you like golfing, like he looks at golf through the lens of the 12 steps, which I think is kind of cool.

01:13:34.85
Bill
right

01:13:41.85
Alysse Bryson
Um, And so, um so it's pretty neutral. ah we try to be pretty neutral, but yes, we do skew a little bit more female. Um, but like girls run the world. So just like, that's just how it is. You guys, sorry.

01:13:55.27
Mike
Hehehehehe.

01:13:55.73
Alysse Bryson
Um, and then, um you know, when you come to the site, we've got things organized. So we've got a lifestyle section in there. You can find crafts, you can find fashion.

01:14:07.09
Alysse Bryson
Um, you can find, um like Buzzfeed type things.

01:14:09.64
Bill
Okay.

01:14:11.78
Alysse Bryson
And then we've got a mental health section and there you can find Dr. Sarah talking about codependency. You can find Jason sober, not subtle. You can find Kate, you know, um, talking about what it's like to be a nurse, you know, in recovery. Oh my God, there's thunder and lightning going on here all of a sudden.

01:14:27.42
Mike
Nice.

01:14:27.42
Alysse Bryson
Um, Yeah. And then, um, in entertainment, we have book reviews, we have movie reviews, TV show reviews, podcast reviews, documentary reviews, and we've got it set up.

01:14:34.97
Bill
Thank

01:14:38.95
Alysse Bryson
So you, uh, you can scroll and you can like look at the covers and you can see our Sobe score. So we score things, um, bit one to five, five being the best, like think of it like a sober version of Rotten Tomatoes.

01:14:52.19
Alysse Bryson
And so you can go for a scroll. And if you see a cover that you want to click on, um then you go there and you can see the trailer and any other weird stuff that we found.

01:15:00.26
Bill
Thank

01:15:00.79
Alysse Bryson
We've got a travel section. We've got a sober event section. We've got a sober retreat section. and then we have a whole spiritual gangster section. And that section has really taken off. We've got a couple people in there writing about astrology.

01:15:13.91
Alysse Bryson
We've got a yoga person. We've got a philosophy person. We've got two Stoics. We've got somebody looking at it through the lens of science. And so there's, um we've got Anne-Marie is ah looking at sobriety through the Celtic calendar.

01:15:27.94
Alysse Bryson
So, you know, there's just a little bit of everything. And then we have all kinds of resource guides for for national and regional resources and nonprofit resources and LGBTQ resources.

01:15:39.46
Alysse Bryson
And Alex is about to publish one for families. And so, you know, there's just a little bit of everything there.

01:15:46.45
Bill
Right. And you know, the, the thing that is, and and i'm I'm going to be the just 100% honest. I hate signing up for email lists, hate it, you know, because people flood you with emails all the time.

01:15:59.34
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm.

01:15:59.77
Bill
But, um, You don't. And the the website doesn't. And they're like, you explained what it was the, the sober sip every Monday, the Friday thing is new ish, but that's a top five type of thing.

01:16:11.80
Bill
And what, what I like is that, I mean, here's the thing, obviously we're part of, and we're associated with, but I, I don't get over to the site that often. Cause I don't think about it.

01:16:23.01
Bill
I got other stuff to do like everyone else.

01:16:24.30
Alysse Bryson
yeah of course

01:16:24.77
Bill
Everyone, everyone's busy with the exception of when I get that email And then I can see the highlights of it. That throws me into the site. So my point is, is that even if you you want to be a casual follower of the Sober Curator, go on there, sign up for the email.

01:16:41.80
Bill
And i'm telling you right off the bat, I am 100% honest in saying that I hate fucking email lists. I don't like being on them. I usually subscribe to one or end up being subscribed on them after the first couple of weeks, I'll unsubscribe because they bother me.

01:16:55.85
Bill
And this is done at a, it's, you've, Right off the bat, Mondays and Fridays, that's it. You know, i was joking one time when I when i went into Kohl's that I was, they had a, you know, of course they had a sale. They always do, right?

01:17:08.82
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:17:08.81
Bill
And she's like, oh, do you have, ah what do you get? You know, did you get your email about this? I'm like, ah I'm sure I have it. I get your emails all the time. And I'm looking and I can't find the fucking email. And I look at my, I'm deleted my trash, all this different shit.

01:17:19.68
Bill
I'm like, seriously. And she's like, can you find your email? Cause then I can't give you the discount. I'm like, you guys, I'm like, you guys send me literally 17 to 20 emails a week.

01:17:23.89
Alysse Bryson
Oh, come on.

01:17:29.41
Bill
And I'm like, now I can't fucking find one. But, you know, and that's that's not the that's not the point of what you guys are doing. And I like seeing the highlights because I get to pop in and you do a brief overview of what the articles are.

01:17:42.60
Bill
And then what that does is get me on the site. Then I can take a look at other things, too. But um highly, highly recommend that that signing up for the emails because it's it's a great way to keep in touch.

01:17:52.42
Alysse Bryson
Well, and it is, and we're, we, we have a strategy behind our email too. So we've got like 16, 17,000 people, I think now on the email list, but that Monday email, you only get it if you're a super user and you can only be a super user if you open the email two or more times a month.

01:18:10.35
Alysse Bryson
So if you don't, you get kicked to the bigger list and you don't get that Monday email.

01:18:12.14
Bill
Right.

01:18:15.51
Alysse Bryson
um And then the Friday email is going to everyone because it's just the five things. And then we'll be starting a podcast one that will go on Wednesdays, but it'll just be our podcast episode that dropped that week. And then we'll highlight one or two other ones.

01:18:29.79
Alysse Bryson
And so they're intentional. And then Alex brings really strong game to her Giphy game. Like she picks some really hilarious gifts.

01:18:35.72
Bill
right

01:18:39.08
Alysse Bryson
And if you think that shit's funny, then it's the spot for you. And if you don't like, don't get on our list. Yeah.

01:18:46.14
Bill
Right. But it it is, it's just, that I mean, it's, it's so much these days. I mean, you know, that what used to be, you know, junk mail in the mail is ah every, everyone's got email lists, but I mean, have a fucking purpose, you know, have a point, which you do, you know, I i mean, the sober, the sober curator does, ah which I think is hugely important because I mean, if it, if it didn't have a point I might not, you know, openly say that I, that I unsubscribe, but I would unsubscribe, you know, because I, I don't like it.

01:19:11.81
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, of course. i don't Yeah, I don't like getting them either.

01:19:13.09
Bill
don't like it bombarded with all that

01:19:15.60
Alysse Bryson
And, you know, we don't do... um We traditionally have not done any advertising on the site. um We're going to start dabbling a little bit with some sponsored content, but it'll be clearly marked.

01:19:28.12
Alysse Bryson
um But we don't, you won't see treatment center ads. You will never see treatment center ads to be clear. um I've rejected every single one that's called, and I'm not anti-treatment center.

01:19:39.42
Alysse Bryson
I just, our target audience is people who already got sober. And so they don't need a treatment center.

01:19:43.26
Mike
Right.

01:19:45.13
Alysse Bryson
However, I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, I could get down with a 28 day right now. Like just, you know, going off grid for 28 days.

01:19:52.35
Mike
yeah

01:19:54.63
Alysse Bryson
Like, I mean, I don't, I think they should have a rehab for sober people that could, that want to take, you know, a 28 day break. Cause like I could get into that, but, um, so you're never going to see that.

01:20:04.35
Bill
We're never to do that.

01:20:04.98
Alysse Bryson
And,

01:20:05.05
Bill
And we've done a couple little sponsors the newsletter, but they've been pretty minimal.

01:20:06.23
Alysse Bryson
uh, we've done a couple little sponsors on the newsletter, but they've been, you know, pretty minimal.

01:20:06.97
Bill
We're just not going to sell

01:20:10.94
Alysse Bryson
Um, so you're just not going to see, we're not trying to sell you anything. We're just, you know, we're just not, um, we're not kind of trying to convince you that like, we're the place to be. If you like what we're doing, come hang out with us. If you don't, okay, like go somewhere else, you know, like that's just the approach.

01:20:29.59
Bill
Right. And, you know, it's, it's just like anything else. I mean, every, everyone has a, everyone has a podcast and everyone has a website. um But the point is, is that, you know, what's the, what's the purpose? And, and that's the one thing that when we first, you know, obviously got, got involved, ah you know, with the Sober Curator and in looking at the website and after, you know, talking to you and all that sort of things, it's, it was, it was nice to be able to, you know, to have, ah be involved with somebody who has a purpose. And I mean,

01:20:56.20
Bill
Mike, I mean, how many people have we, have we that I don't want to say shut down, I almost said shut down, but how many people have approached us to be involved with them that we've we've kindly said, yeah, and you know, it's that we have no problem with.

01:21:04.42
Mike
I said no thank you.

01:21:07.73
Alysse Bryson
You're like, sorry, we're in a relationship with Elise. We can't.

01:21:12.22
Bill
Well, and and here's the thing. it's it's yeah yeah I'm going to step, I'll step aside to it for back in a minute. But um there's sometimes that if people don't fit um what our mindset is and what we think that we're trying to bring to the people who listen to us and follow us.

01:21:29.45
Bill
um And we joked about it. We're like, we we probably have a price where we'd sell out, um but nobody's given us that price yet.

01:21:34.26
Mike
Probably.

01:21:35.79
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:21:36.89
Bill
And

01:21:37.03
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:21:37.21
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:37.47
Alysse Bryson
Well, everybody has a number.

01:21:37.78
Bill
and it's

01:21:38.65
Alysse Bryson
Everybody has a number.

01:21:40.10
Bill
Yeah.

01:21:40.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:40.22
Bill
And I, and I don't know what that number is, but you know, when we had in Mike, it was, ah it was a year ago this coming week that um little Dickie blew us off for like the third time. There was this, ah this doctor quote unquote that, you know, kept canceling on us.

01:21:49.87
Mike
Right.

01:21:54.30
Bill
And finally we're like, you know what? Go fuck yourself. We're done. We're thank you.

01:21:57.72
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:21:58.35
Bill
Go, go away. um But that's kind of what I was going to sidestep. There's ah there's another individual. And Mike, when you and I talked a week or so, a couple of weeks ago now, and I said I hadn't heard from two people.

01:22:06.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:08.72
Bill
Number one was Tom Farley's people.

01:22:09.62
Mike
Right. Right.

01:22:10.80
Bill
And the other one was this other individual.

01:22:12.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:12.84
Bill
um But i i' mean I've said this openly on here. The reason that I haven't named this person openly is because, um Elise, you and the Sober Curator and a lot of people that we know um have had dealings with with this individual.

01:22:26.21
Alysse Bryson
yeah

01:22:26.38
Bill
And we've had, the they they promised and reached out and have canceled on us like three times.

01:22:28.87
Alysse Bryson
yeah okay yeah

01:22:31.24
Bill
And I reached out, I sent an email, whatever that was, two, three weeks ago, Mike um said, Hey, we're still out here.

01:22:35.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:36.89
Bill
Like you said, just do, Hey, we're still out here.

01:22:38.32
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:38.57
Bill
We'd still like to have nearly a goddamn thing. So, so yeah, so we're, we're done.

01:22:41.18
Mike
Nice. All right. Well, then that's done.

01:22:43.81
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:22:45.03
Bill
If, if that individual comes back now, i'm I'm not going to say, you know, go fuck yourself, but I will nicely go tell the person to go fuck themselves because, you know, right.

01:22:45.33
Alysse Bryson
Well,

01:22:52.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:52.60
Alysse Bryson
Well, people show you who they are with their actions, right? they just They just do. And I don't know if I told you guys.

01:22:57.96
Mike
I've heard that somewhere.

01:22:58.75
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, yeah, somewhere, or somewhere. I don't know if I told you guys this. I may have told you this, Bill, um but this was a while back. I don't know, a year ago? year yeah a year ago.

01:23:10.77
Alysse Bryson
that, um, we had a flood of contributors come on in like a month, like 10 or 12 new ones.

01:23:15.63
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah, right.

01:23:16.46
Alysse Bryson
It was like a weird flood. And, um, and this one gal came on, i'm not going to name who it was. Um, and, uh, she'd only been with us for like two weeks and she sent me a message about you guys and was like, I am really not comfortable with this and blah, blah, blah, you know?

01:23:29.72
Bill
really

01:23:32.25
Mike
e

01:23:34.81
Alysse Bryson
And, and I was like, cool, don't follow them.

01:23:38.56
Mike
Right.

01:23:38.59
Alysse Bryson
Like it's really not that big of a deal. And she was like, well, I don't think I want to be affiliated with you. If you're affiliated with them. I'm like, you don't even know them. Like you have no idea anything about them.

01:23:46.81
Bill
Ha ha ha ha.

01:23:50.05
Alysse Bryson
um And I said, cool. Well, I'm with them. They're with me. So if you're not comfortable with that, you should be the one to go. And she left, she's gone. Like, you know, and that's just like, it's like, you're missing, you're missing it.

01:23:58.71
Mike
nice

01:24:03.45
Alysse Bryson
You're missing the point. Like, yeah, We're trying to have this cool spot where we can show that we can all work together for the same cause. We don't all have to like all the same things.

01:24:14.85
Mike
Of course.

01:24:15.65
Alysse Bryson
We don't have to do it all the same way. Like that's not, that's not what that this is.

01:24:18.04
Mike
Absolutely.

01:24:20.80
Mike
hate to break it to you kids.

01:24:21.67
Bill
Thank you.

01:24:22.20
Mike
I'm not really into the arts and crafts portion of the website.

01:24:25.70
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. I, I, I didn't think that you read my Barbie paint by number article, Mike. I didn't think you read that one.

01:24:30.15
Mike
No, I did not. I missed that one.

01:24:31.54
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:24:32.55
Mike
No, I'm gonna have to go back and look.

01:24:32.79
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:24:35.05
Bill
Well, and here's here's the here's the two things that make me happy about that story. First of all, um thank you for the love, Elise. we we

01:24:41.69
Mike
Yes.

01:24:42.51
Bill
We appreciate that. That makes me happy. that's That's the warm and fuzzy side of it. The other side is the fact that somebody openly fucking hates us. Makes me even happier.

01:24:51.65
Alysse Bryson
Yeah!

01:24:52.39
Bill
That makes me even happier.

01:24:52.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:53.38
Alysse Bryson
Oh, yeah. You guys are. Yeah, of course.

01:24:54.81
Mike
So much joy.

01:24:55.58
Alysse Bryson
Of course it does. Of course it does.

01:24:57.34
Bill
Oh, and you know what?

01:24:57.41
Alysse Bryson
Right?

01:24:58.42
Bill
The the thing of it is, and if you don't have haters, you're doing something fucking wrong. You know, if people, if people are talking behind your back or, you know, the meme says that people, every once in a while, people don't walk away shaking their heads.

01:25:02.75
Alysse Bryson
Right.

01:25:09.03
Bill
You know, what are you even living? You know?

01:25:10.58
Alysse Bryson
Thank you.

01:25:11.31
Bill
And and it here's the thing. And the thing that people don't, um Don't understand. And if if people listen to us um and they can get past the first, I don't know what, 15, 20 minutes of any episode, Mike, when when you and i probably, you know, are shooting the shit about whatever and maybe dropping some at bombs and literally not talking about anything.

01:25:30.22
Bill
um But if they can get past that initial goddamn, these fuckers swear a lot, you know. um Or what do they have to say? Fuck. Well, yeah, we do.

01:25:37.51
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:37.47
Bill
We do. But but if they can get past that, first of all, we're not trying to hurt anyone. It's the complete opposite. We're we're literally and don't want to say afraid, but yeah, probably ah we're we're afraid to hurt people. We don't want to.

01:25:47.76
Bill
That's that's not our jam anymore, because we understand that hurting people doesn't make us feel good.

01:25:48.81
Mike
Oh, yeah. Right.

01:25:54.22
Bill
We still want to feel good. and And hurting people is just bad fucking karma on top of it.

01:25:56.02
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:25:59.03
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:25:59.18
Bill
And seriously, we are all about what do you say? Making what? What about our corner of of the world, Mike?

01:26:03.77
Mike
Making our little corner of the world better place.

01:26:07.82
Alysse Bryson
Yep.

01:26:08.09
Bill
Yeah, we want people to come in and and hang out with us. If you don't like the way we talk, that's fine. You know, we're not for everyone, and that makes me really happy. when but Seriously, when we get somebody that hates us.

01:26:19.99
Mike
Right.

01:26:20.51
Bill
I mean, I'm sorry that she left, but maybe that's maybe that's ah that's a bad apple that she didn't want anyhow. But, um you know, I just –

01:26:26.77
Alysse Bryson
Did you see, um did you see we got a little hated the other day? Yeah. And I, maybe this was bad timing on my part. I don't know. um i don't like to do anything political like ever on the internet.

01:26:40.84
Mike
Right.

01:26:41.06
Bill
Right.

01:26:41.18
Alysse Bryson
Right. I just like, I leave the, I like that stuff is like, I'm not saying I don't have an opinion.

01:26:46.55
Mike
Sure.

01:26:46.55
Bill
Right.

01:26:46.67
Alysse Bryson
If you want to know my opinion, call me.

01:26:46.88
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:26:48.27
Alysse Bryson
We could have a conversation about it. I just like, you know, whatever it's separation. It's just, I don't need it there anyway.

01:26:53.02
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:26:53.70
Alysse Bryson
yeah, Uh, Tony, ah is the newer to our group. He's super cool. Oh my God. And his Funko, he's probably the second best Funko now behind yours, Mike, because, and he sent me a picture of his Funko on top of his big book.

01:27:02.60
Mike
he All right.

01:27:03.66
Bill
ah

01:27:07.64
Alysse Bryson
And it's like, so like, and his book is, he's got also like 30, 40, 50 years or something crazy.

01:27:12.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:27:13.41
Alysse Bryson
And, um, anyway, he asked me when he started, cause he's doing these monthly, monthly articles. He was like, is there anything else I can help you with? And said, well, actually like, yes. I said, yeah, I know you're well-read. So, you know, I'm trying to get book reviews on all the books and,

01:27:29.31
Alysse Bryson
And I've got a database that I've built of like 400 that need to be reviewed. And so you don't have to go and read new stuff, but if you could go and see if there's stuff you've already read and you'd write some reviews, that would be really helpful.

01:27:41.16
Alysse Bryson
And he was like, I'm on it. And so he just started pumping them out, right? Pumping them out. And so he's just like going through the list. And so I published, and we published several, but so we published um Hillbilly Elegy the other day that was written by JD Vance.

01:27:53.59
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:27:55.57
Alysse Bryson
And, um, Maybe it wasn't great timing, but I didn't really think about it because it's not a new book. It's a New York Times bestseller.

01:28:03.73
Mike
Right. Right.

01:28:05.39
Alysse Bryson
And um regardless of how you feel about the vice president, his mother is still a woman in long-term recovery and her story matters.

01:28:15.99
Alysse Bryson
Um,

01:28:16.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:28:16.99
Alysse Bryson
And I haven't read the book, but I have seen the movie and we reviewed the movie actually back in like 2020 or 2021.

01:28:24.41
Mike
Right.

01:28:24.64
Alysse Bryson
So I didn't really think about that. I didn't really think there was, I didn't think about when I published it, there was going to be a problem And, uh, yeah, there was Instagram, Instagram came at us, not hard, but like, we don't get a lot of trolls.

01:28:32.74
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah, of course.

01:28:37.85
Bill
Thank you.

01:28:41.41
Alysse Bryson
Um, and so they, you we definitely, we definitely upset some people thinking that we were tone deaf or, you know, we didn't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know what they thought. Uh, all we were trying to, I mean, all I'm trying to do is create an archive,

01:28:57.37
Mike
Right.

01:28:57.44
Alysse Bryson
of of how um sobriety and recovery is reflected through media and culture.

01:29:03.36
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:03.78
Alysse Bryson
Like that's that's my mission.

01:29:04.45
Mike
Right.

01:29:06.03
Alysse Bryson
And so, and if I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna do all the books, not just the ones people like or that are popular.

01:29:06.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:13.05
Alysse Bryson
I'm gonna do all the books, right?

01:29:14.45
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:15.19
Alysse Bryson
I mean, Tony even did the four agreements, okay? Like nobody's trying to read that book. So like um we're trying to do a holistic approach. And so my my intention was pure and I know that, but then I i probably got a little sassy cause I reacted.

01:29:31.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:32.10
Alysse Bryson
And ah my sister sent me a very long text saying, you lost your point because you got too sassy. And if you had stopped here, people would have taken it better, blah, blah, blah. And, um but I wasn't going to go back and edit it or delete it.

01:29:44.21
Alysse Bryson
It's like, it is what it is. Like, you know, I'm not perfect.

01:29:45.85
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:47.07
Alysse Bryson
I make mistakes all the time. I make amends all the time. Like I'm constantly apologizing to people.

01:29:50.65
Mike
Right?

01:29:50.88
Bill
Right. right

01:29:53.19
Alysse Bryson
You know, so, um but our hearts in the right place. and and And that's when the gal came at me with you guys. I was like, no, their hearts in the right place. And I know that. So no, like, that's all that matters to me. it The rest of it is like circumstantial.

01:30:09.30
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

01:30:11.13
Bill
Yeah, and it's just...

01:30:11.27
Mike
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. i Right. and And people. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You name a name on either side and the other side is going to go balls crazy and let them.

01:30:21.78
Bill
Right.

01:30:23.02
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:30:24.69
Alysse Bryson
and I don't want to ruin it for everybody but like there's corruption everywhere like we're kind you know like it's kind of everywhere like good but good luck untangling it you know they that oh that's simple that keeps it super simple

01:30:28.16
Mike
um

01:30:28.14
Bill
Right.

01:30:30.79
Mike
yeah

01:30:33.30
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

01:30:33.49
Bill
yeah See, our our political our political opinion, we talk about all the time. We hate all politicians. That's it.

01:30:39.37
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:30:39.88
Bill
That's what we've. Yeah, we fucking hate them all.

01:30:42.07
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:42.85
Bill
They're all criminals. They're all crux. What else you call a bike grifters?

01:30:45.47
Mike
Well, yeah, grifters.

01:30:46.49
Bill
Yeah.

01:30:46.74
Mike
Right, exactly. Well, you know, Adam Carolla has a great, you're either stupid or a liar or both.

01:30:56.08
Mike
And that pretty much sums it up.

01:30:56.35
Bill
Yeah.

01:30:57.24
Mike
Yeah, yeah. you You're just stupid or liar or both.

01:30:57.76
Bill
Yeah.

01:31:01.30
Alysse Bryson
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:31:01.95
Bill
Well, and you know, the thing of it is too, and the the the unfortunate part is that, you know, and I could see it as soon as you were talking about the, um and I didn't see, I didn't see the poster.

01:31:02.06
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:10.53
Bill
If I did, I didn't pay attention to it. um I mean, i don't care about J.D. Vance. I don't care one way or the other. If I read a, I could probably read a whole article about his mom and they'd be like, oh shit, that's J.D. Vance's mom. I didn't fucking know, but it was, you know, her story's an interesting story.

01:31:20.89
Mike
Right.

01:31:23.52
Bill
um You know, but the, I wouldn't be surprised if you, if you didn't review a book like that, and then somebody would say you're, you know, would accuse you of censorship.

01:31:32.14
Mike
Mm

01:31:32.14
Alysse Bryson
but I mean, I can't win.

01:31:32.30
Bill
So you're not going to...

01:31:33.22
Alysse Bryson
Like, either way, I can't win. And I wasn't, like, talking about the fact that he looks like he's wearing eyeliner. Like, I wasn't even talking about him.

01:31:38.69
Mike
hmm.

01:31:40.26
Bill
Right.

01:31:40.35
Alysse Bryson
Like, we were talking about the book, the story.

01:31:43.35
Mike
Right.

01:31:43.32
Bill
Right.

01:31:43.56
Alysse Bryson
So, um yeah.

01:31:45.16
Mike
And we won't bring up the fact that, you know, he took a whole bunch of money to open up a rehab and then used it for his political campaign.

01:31:52.79
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, we won't talk about that.

01:31:54.35
Mike
No, we won't.

01:31:54.37
Alysse Bryson
Yeah? No?

01:31:55.18
Mike
Nope. Nope. Not at all.

01:31:56.26
Alysse Bryson
Nope.

01:31:56.96
Mike
um I've got to remember, I live in Ohio.

01:31:57.09
Alysse Bryson
Nope.

01:31:58.56
Mike
So I, I, yeah.

01:31:59.47
Alysse Bryson
Oh, right, right, right.

01:32:01.39
Mike
Well, no, I don't. I don't. Jesus Christ. I just said that on the internet. God damn it. I don't live in Ohio. I live in Cleveland, which happens to be in Ohio.

01:32:10.68
Alysse Bryson
Oh, I think, I think I, I'm picking, I'm picking up what you're throwing down.

01:32:12.42
Mike
Yes. Oh, no.

01:32:12.72
Bill
Right.

01:32:13.46
Mike
I, I,

01:32:15.42
Alysse Bryson
I, it took me a minute, but I, I'm blonde.

01:32:15.64
Mike
Yes, i I do not live in Ohio.

01:32:17.26
Alysse Bryson
It took me a minute.

01:32:18.31
Mike
I live in Cleveland, which just happens to be in Ohio.

01:32:19.71
Alysse Bryson
Yep. Yep. Yep. It's just, yep. Got it. Got it.

01:32:24.06
Bill
yeah hes I guess I've never really paid attention to the fact that you make that distinction all the time. You know you never say you live in Ohio.

01:32:28.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:29.04
Alysse Bryson
It's very intentional.

01:32:29.69
Mike
No.

01:32:30.14
Bill
that

01:32:30.49
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:32:30.64
Bill
you that might that Seriously, and again, i've never I've never picked up on it. but um yeah Almost 15 years I've known that bald-ass motherfucker, and I don't think I've ever heard him say that he lives in Ohio.

01:32:40.95
Bill
so now i just

01:32:41.31
Mike
No, I never do. i just did that fucking first time in 15 years.

01:32:42.67
Bill
I just learned.

01:32:45.69
Bill
Damn it, that's a relapse.

01:32:45.91
Mike
Probably longer than that. but Yeah, it is, man.

01:32:47.09
Bill
That's

01:32:48.32
Mike
I fuck. I got to do so.

01:32:49.20
Alysse Bryson
Too bad you guys don't edit.

01:32:51.57
Mike
yeah

01:32:52.35
Bill
no hi no shit No, shit like that we keep in to make fun of each other.

01:32:56.17
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

01:32:56.30
Bill
yeah yeah

01:32:57.94
Mike
i want myies i want my mistakes and my warts to be out there for the whole world to see.

01:32:57.96
Alysse Bryson
I'm just giving you a hard time.

01:32:58.14
Bill
but to

01:33:02.63
Mike
i am responsible for my own pain.

01:33:02.84
Alysse Bryson
Well,

01:33:05.25
Alysse Bryson
Well, and that way no one is ever going to think any of the three of us is a guru, right?

01:33:09.46
Mike
Right.

01:33:09.49
Alysse Bryson
like Because it's like, no, those three don't have their shit together.

01:33:09.85
Bill
Right?

01:33:10.70
Mike
Oh, God, no. Nope, not at all.

01:33:13.89
Bill
the je Did you listen to the to the episode last week, Elise? I mean, if you did this, okay.

01:33:17.57
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, no, yeah, I totally did.

01:33:19.09
Bill
So you heard where it cut

01:33:21.93
Alysse Bryson
I did.

01:33:23.16
Bill
So what what happened was is that that's what we were fucking around. But we're sitting there talking and everyone what it went, the sound went away or I i looked and then all a sudden it's like we're not recording anymore.

01:33:34.14
Bill
So what happened was Tom unplugged his microphone.

01:33:38.54
Alysse Bryson
Oh.

01:33:38.85
Bill
And because he was getting some static or whatever, so he's like, I'm just going to plug unplug this and plug it back in. Well, clearly there's something which we didn't know. It never happened. ah We've never had that happen. When somebody unplugged their microphone, it it shuts, that it stops.

01:33:50.85
Bill
It stops the recording.

01:33:51.34
Alysse Bryson
Shuts everything down. Interesting.

01:33:53.03
Bill
So then we're sitting there, we're like, I'm like, I don't know what to do. And then I see this little button that says start a new recording. I'm like, okay, everyone, like, here's my email address. If you don't, whatever, I'm like giving this shit out. So I'm like, if if this doesn't work, I said, i'll I'll just send you a new studio link and we'll we'll start up again.

01:34:08.60
Bill
And basically what we did is we were... He hit it and it just, it like everyone just hit a button and popped in and just brand new studio. i had two separate recordings. Um, and we didn't edit a fuck. I literally didn't, I didn't cut any of it.

01:34:22.03
Bill
I'd let it run to the end.

01:34:22.24
Mike
right

01:34:23.60
Bill
I, it started up. I'm like, well, I don't know where we cut off, but here we go. You know? So again, the perfect one where I could have tried to cover up and edit the, I could have added a funny sound effect. I'm like, fuck this. I'm just putting it together.

01:34:35.14
Bill
I don't care.

01:34:35.52
Alysse Bryson
Well, and I'm so glad that you reached out to me to publish that one. you know, I pick up your guys' stuff once in a while.

01:34:40.70
Bill
Right.

01:34:40.78
Alysse Bryson
And um and ah he was not on my radar. And, like, all the stuff that he's doing was not on my radar. And, um like, what a cool cat, you know?

01:34:47.10
Bill
Right.

01:34:49.67
Alysse Bryson
like

01:34:49.77
Bill
Right.

01:34:49.93
Mike
Yeah, definitely.

01:34:50.43
Alysse Bryson
Like, such a cool cat.

01:34:52.22
Bill
Well, and, uh, and the thing with is, and we were talking about it. So when you were talking about like, uh, cause I told him, I said, you know, the, the mindset of the, um, again, the, the website, the treatment centers and that sort of thing in this, this whole recovery.com thing is, I mean, yeah, they're, they started off as treatment first and you're still, if you go on their website, you're going to see things for treatment centers, but they're also looking at the backend, what, what to do with folks once they're through And they've got resources and they're doing all these different things. And these, I guess these founders are really have this mindset now to, to build forward. I mean, yes, treatment's a natural thing. A lot of people need it and blah, blah, blah, but they're, you know, they're, they're not involved in any treatment center. They're allowing people the opportunity to search for it if they need it.

01:35:33.74
Bill
But it's the back end, like he was talking about, you know, like, what do these folks do now? So they're they're trying to build out this whole thing in the back and all these resources and figuring out how to use AI. And I'm like, oh, Elise is a freak when it comes to AI.

01:35:45.48
Alysse Bryson
I am. A.B. b is an A.I. freak. That is for sure.

01:35:48.35
Bill
Yeah. So, um, I don't know, you know, I told him, I said, I said, well i have to keep in touch. And his, um, um, her name's Megan, the person who helped set everything up. And I forgot to tell you, Mike, she emailed me afterwards and, you know, thanked us for, you know, not only having him on, but she listened to the episode and all those different stuff. She's like, if there's anything that that we can do, I'm like, my God, what, what can we do?

01:36:09.64
Bill
You know?

01:36:09.76
Mike
Right.

01:36:10.15
Bill
Yeah. I'm like, I said, we already told Tom, if he wants to come back on, he's, he's more than welcome. So who knows, maybe we'll be able to, you know, do something else with him, but it was just, it was a great conversation. It was just, it was a lot of fun.

01:36:19.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:36:20.35
Alysse Bryson
Well, and he's working on a documentary or some kind of series, right?

01:36:24.67
Bill
Yes. Yeah.

01:36:25.34
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:36:26.13
Bill
Yeah. And that's some the, the gist of it was, is they just signed over. He said they just signed off um the book rights, I guess, right, Mike, with ah his book.

01:36:34.78
Mike
Yeah, no, they're going to do a biopic. They're doing a feature film.

01:36:38.03
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, it's awesome.

01:36:38.18
Mike
They've already done the documentary. Yeah, they're doing like a ah feature film, a biopic of of Chris.

01:36:44.05
Bill
Yeah.

01:36:45.57
Alysse Bryson
I love it.

01:36:45.74
Bill
And it, and they were starting to, when he was talking about that, what September, he, he was thinking they might start shooting. And then, you know, hopefully by the end of the year, but he said they, they don't really, they don't really, he doesn't really know right now, but.

01:36:51.42
Mike
Right.

01:36:55.36
Mike
If they're starting shooting in September, it won't come out until next year at the earliest.

01:36:58.79
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, it'll be a while.

01:36:58.97
Bill
Yeah, that's what, that's what I thought too. But you know, he was the one that said that I'm like, Oh, you know, it's his, it's part of his deal. I mean, I'll, I'll take his word for it sort of.

01:37:05.77
Mike
right

01:37:05.95
Bill
So, all right, man. Um, I, I think, I guess I'm looking at this. I think we're probably getting towards the end, at least anything, anything else you want to wrap up on me, plug the site again, plug the podcast and.

01:37:16.62
Alysse Bryson
Well, um let's see. I have a website. It's called thesobercurator.com.

01:37:20.34
Mike
he

01:37:21.94
Alysse Bryson
And we're going to have a podcast. No, like people not people. Yeah, enough. No, we got it. And I'm I just I'm just glad I got to hang out with you guys today.

01:37:27.01
Bill
Okay.

01:37:30.14
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

01:37:30.29
Alysse Bryson
This was super fun.

01:37:30.63
Bill
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

01:37:31.09
Alysse Bryson
This was super fun.

01:37:32.64
Bill
And I mean, i if anyone who's listening to this, you should be able to look down in the you know in the notes and stuff like that. I should have links unless I forget. But if not, just follow us on Instagram. you'll be I've got a link now on Instagram on our Instagram page to the Sober Curator so people can easily get to the Sober Curator.

01:37:47.28
Alysse Bryson
such an influencer, Bill. You're such a good little influencer.

01:37:49.47
Bill
You know what? ah Hey, you know what? I may be old, but I know what the fuck I'm doing every once in a while.

01:37:53.60
Alysse Bryson
You do. Yeah, you're dialing it in.

01:37:54.09
Bill
No, I don't. No, everything, everything on Instagram, people told me how to do it. I didn't know I could do two links. i You know what? I put that link in three weeks ago.

01:38:03.83
Mike
Ha ha ha ha.

01:38:03.95
Alysse Bryson
Oh, yeah. You didn't know you could do up to like four or five links now?

01:38:06.72
Bill
No, nope, nope.

01:38:07.91
Alysse Bryson
Oh, boy.

01:38:07.98
Bill
Had no idea. No, like three, three weeks ago, I looked, ah I'm like, God, how can I do this?

01:38:09.23
Alysse Bryson
ah boy.

01:38:12.44
Bill
Cause I wanted to link something. Um, when you did, i think when you, would when you did my book review for the well three weeks ago, month ago.

01:38:18.08
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:38:20.66
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Something like that.

01:38:21.47
Bill
Yeah. That's, that's when I found out about it. I'm like, I'm like, how can I do this? How can I, what's the easiest way? Cause Instagram is a fucking pain in the ass. They don't want ah they just want to keep you there. Like a, like you're a prisoner.

01:38:31.10
Alysse Bryson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:38:31.68
Bill
You know, so, um, that's, I'm like, Oh, look at that. I could add a separate link so I could do Lincoln highlights in there. So anyhow, all right. So nothing else. You don't want to plug your shit again. You're all good.

01:38:41.92
Alysse Bryson
Yeah.

01:38:41.88
Bill
You want to whore yourself out anymore?

01:38:42.28
Alysse Bryson
I think I'm like, I think, I think I'm good. Yeah. I think I'm good.

01:38:46.69
Mike
the

01:38:47.85
Bill
Okay. All right. Mike, guess what?

01:38:50.38
Mike
Hey. a

01:38:51.34
Bill
Hey,

01:38:52.97
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. Thank you, Elise, for coming out and hanging out with us. Everybody go check out the Sober Curator dot com and go out there and do something nice for somebody this week and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:39:11.29
Mike
And now from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time till the ends of the earth,

01:39:21.58
Alysse Bryson
Okay.

01:39:21.72
Mike
always and eternally. Fuck you. And now it's time, kids. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:39:37.08
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream. And keep fucking off forever.

01:39:44.55
Bill
I was going to count just to make sure you were correct. You know, not that I don't trust you, but I'm like, was it really six in there? God damn.

01:39:49.99
Alysse Bryson
Yeah, no, it felt like more than six.

01:39:50.53
Mike
Yep. a

01:39:52.24
Bill
Didn't it? what is' It's fun. it's ah It's the best part.

01:39:53.76
Alysse Bryson
ah

01:39:54.45
Bill
And if everyone notices, and I'm sure you did too, Mike's sound, that's as that's as jovial and as upbeat as he sounds the entire episode. And why is that, Mike?

01:40:02.81
Mike
Because we're fucking done. Mm-hmm.

01:40:04.94
Alysse Bryson
yeah Yeah, I did notice you seemed very enthusiastic. Okay.

01:40:08.27
Bill
Yeah, he does. it It's every week. It's as he calls it his favorite part of the episode.

01:40:14.76
Bill
That's my, that's my friend. That's my friend and my brother and podcast partner. Thank fucking God we're done. All right.

01:40:20.81
Mike
Yup.

01:40:22.14
Bill
On that note, Elise, as always, it's wonderful. Everyone. Yeah. Go visit all the shit that she talked about. We're not going to repeat it again, but ah Mike, I love you, brother. All right.

01:40:30.89
Mike
I love you too.

01:40:32.17
Bill
And we will all talk soon. I think.

01:40:34.40
Mike
We shall.

01:40:35.68
Bill
Bye.

01:40:35.77
Alysse Bryson
Bye.

01:40:37.05
Mike
Bye.